Daniel Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 If Dawes scores 20 goals, Phoenix has a lot of problems. I bet they non-tender Petr Prucha at season's end, so it is basically Dawes for Morris which is a terrible deal. I don't know of Morris's involvement in the Cecil thing - IIRC, that was espen knutsen - but did you see what calgary gave up for jordan leopold? that's the kind of package phoenix should have gotten for derek morris. Any somewhat solid player that Phoenix could get for Morris is a winner for Phoenix. They won't be making the playoffs, and Morris is a ufa after this year. Relatedly, I think on the whole the Rangers were winners. With Antropov they get a player with more goals than anyone else currently on the team. Morris should help their powerplay. How could it get any worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeford Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Any somewhat solid player that Phoenix could get for Morris is a winner for Phoenix. They won't be making the playoffs, and Morris is a ufa after this year. Yeah but... they got Kalinin, Dawes and Prucha back Which one of those scrubs is somewhat solid again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 (edited) Dawes isn't a 'somewhat solid player'. He's a player who would've probably been gone on waivers next season, or a spare forward. Yeah, he'll get you 20 empty goals. There's tons of guys floating around the league who can do that. Prucha is probably back to Europe next season (qualifying him at 1.6 million would be so colossally stupid - he's worth half that, probably), and Kalinin is so awful he's going to have to take a 50% paycut to stay in the league. Edited March 5, 2009 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Phoenix clearly was a winner yesterday. Dawes and Prucha will probably be 25-30 goals scorers on Phoenix, they also got alot of draft picks and basically gave up overrated and overpaid players. Phoenix wins big yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek_1969 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 I think Detroit should have made a move, their goaltending and D needs upgrading. Their Goaltending yes......but their D????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek_1969 Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Phoenix clearly was a winner yesterday. Dawes and Prucha will probably be 25-30 goals scorers on Phoenix, they also got alot of draft picks and basically gave up overrated and overpaid players.Phoenix wins big yesterday. Totally agree. I was hoping the Devils could get their hands on Dawes. Not the biggest at 5'8", but IMO he plays with a lot of heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 Phoenix clearly was a winner yesterday. Dawes and Prucha will probably be 25-30 goals scorers on Phoenix, they also got alot of draft picks and basically gave up overrated and overpaid players.Phoenix wins big yesterday. is phoenix any closer to a playoff spot at any point by these trades? answer - not really. prucha won't even be on their roster next year, i'll be taking bets on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Dawes isn't a 'somewhat solid player'. He's a player who would've probably been gone on waivers next season, or a spare forward. Yeah, he'll get you 20 empty goals. There's tons of guys floating around the league who can do that.Prucha is probably back to Europe next season (qualifying him at 1.6 million would be so colossally stupid - he's worth half that, probably), and Kalinin is so awful he's going to have to take a 50% paycut to stay in the league. I estimate that about 90 players or so will have 20 goals. That puts him in the middle of the pack so far as goal scores. He's also a fairly solid defensive forward (a minus 2 on a team that doesn't score any goals), probably in the mold of Pandolfo, if not better. I think that qualifies as a somewhat solid player. Another guy who will have probably a few more than 20 goals, if that, is Gionta. Contract issues, and his ufa status next year aside, as long as we're talking about 20 goal scores, I assume that if the Coyotes traded Morris for Gionta, anyone would consider it a steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 I estimate that about 90 players or so will have 20 goals. That puts him in the middle of the pack so far as goal scores. He's also a fairly solid defensive forward (a minus 2 on a team that doesn't score any goals), probably in the mold of Pandolfo, if not better. I think that qualifies as a somewhat solid player. uh, what. in the mold of pandolfo, if not better? nigel dawes has had effort issues this year and has been a healthy scratch several times. Another guy who will have probably a few more than 20 goals, if that, is Gionta. Contract issues, and his ufa status next year aside, as long as we're talking about 20 goal scores, I assume that if the Coyotes traded Morris for Gionta, anyone would consider it a steal. gionta is dawes's perfect-world upside - though dawes has a better and more accurate shot than gionta, he doesn't have gionta's speed and quickness. regardless, not all goals are created equal - even if dawes does score 20 next year somehow, scorers like dawes who carry very little in the way of secondary talents are always on the fringe of an nhl job, almost regardless of how many goals they score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 is phoenix any closer to a playoff spot at any point by these trades? answer - not really.prucha won't even be on their roster next year, i'll be taking bets on that. The real answer is: Yes. Your saying that Prucha won't even be on the Phoenix roster next year, basically solidifies his spot on the roster for the next three years. Your usually never right when you "take a bet". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prucenterrules Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 Their Goaltending yes......but their D????? Yeah they have both lidstrom and rafalski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 The real answer is: Yes.Your saying that Prucha won't even be on the Phoenix roster next year, basically solidifies his spot on the roster for the next three years. Your usually never right when you "take a bet". funny that, i've won the only 2 bets i've ever made on here, and was basically right about the whole deadline. if he's on the phoenix roster in 3 years they have worse problems than i thought. he is basically an older enver lisin. yippee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlemagne Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 (edited) i dig our trade a lot actually. it's not a headliner, but it's precisely what we needed. bonino, pielmeier, and a conditional pick for travis moen and kent huskins? that gives us the third line grit we've been sorely lacking and a guy who will stand up for his teammates and punch ott in the back of the head (moen), and a depth defenseman who will make it so that we have to cringe less at the sight of semenov on the ice (huskins). bonino's a solid center prospect, but we're stacked at center down the pipeline. pielmeier's a big question mark, and we're also stacked at goalie down the pipeline. bravo, dougie. Edited March 5, 2009 by Charlemagne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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