slasher72 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 this team is unbelievable. how is it that nearly every year they are a Cup contender without any high draft picks or big time free agent acquisitions? Not to mention their veterans like Draper seem to never lose a step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelastonealive Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 this team is unbelievable. how is it that nearly every year they are a Cup contender without any high draft picks or big time free agent acquisitions? Not to mention their veterans like Draper seem to never lose a step. Marian Hossa wasn't a big time free agent acquisition? Brian Rafalski? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-SS Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) Good scouting i guess...Zetterberg and Datsyuk weren't first round picks. Edited May 15, 2009 by SS-SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 Marian Hossa wasn't a big time free agent acquisition? Brian Rafalski? I would say good acquisitions but far from big-time. I think it does come down to outstanding scouting, like the other poster mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsNets Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 far from big-time???? Marian fvcking Hossa is a "far from big-time" acquisition? Gimme a break. No he isn't, because he has a girl's name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsfan26 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Good scouting i guess...Zetterberg and Datsyuk weren't first round picks. That's not good scouting...I don't know when Datsyuk was drafted but if they knew how good Zetterberg was going to be they would have taken him earlier in the draft. They lucked into him as much as the Rangers lucked into Lundqvist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteyvegas Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 They have the magic touch. This is the latter day Montreal at a time when players move easily from one year to the next. They draft well and trade well. Hell, they got guys taking a lesser salary to play on this team. The sad part is: I thought we might be the only ones to beat them this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 That's not good scouting...I don't know when Datsyuk was drafted but if they knew how good Zetterberg was going to be they would have taken him earlier in the draft. They lucked into him as much as the Rangers lucked into Lundqvist. This isn't true, if you think you have this exciting fringe player but no one else knows about you might save your last pick for him. Why take him in the 2nd if you are pretty sure you can get him with your 6th or 7th? Did they know exactly how good? Probably not, but if you think you got a decent 3rd or 4th line player you might take that risk. Zetterberg might not even be in this league if not for the Redwings, it's certainly a good example of quality scouting. If it happened once, maybe you could say it's a fluke, but they do it time and time again. Zetterberg 7th round (210) Datsyuk 6th round (171) Franzen 3rd round (97) Filppula 3rd round (95) Holmstrom 10th round (257) Osgood 3rd round (54) Lidstrom 3rd round (53) Hudler 2nd round (58) And these are just regular players on their team. They certainly have proven to find NHL talent deep into the draft over the last 20 years consistently. They deserve all the credit they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 That's not good scouting...I don't know when Datsyuk was drafted but if they knew how good Zetterberg was going to be they would have taken him earlier in the draft. They lucked into him as much as the Rangers lucked into Lundqvist. With any draft there is the element of luck, they discoverd Zetteberg when the went to watch Mattias Weinhandl in a junior game. The scouts picked up that Zetterberg always seemed to have the puck and he had the abillity to retain in for long periods, they evaluated where he would go and realised it was late and took the risk of picking him up late. They always had the intention of taking him. That is good drafting and excellent scouting, why waste a 4th when you can use a 7th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wensink Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 They are what we should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Not too mention their "Niedermayer" (Lidstrom) didn't have a brother he needed to play with. If Scotty had stayed here 4 years ago, you'd have to think the trajectory would have been quite different today. We may have had another Cup, or at least another run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Then you have the other end of the spectrum in teams that are run into the ground and end up producing fans like this: Link It made me laugh especialy considering Franzen went out and signed an 11 year deal a few days after (its slightly OT but includes red wings stuff and i didnt want to start a new thread for it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Anyone who seriously believes that Detroit lucked their way into good picks doesn't know what luck is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Ken Holland is simply one of the best GMs of all-time. To have continued success for so long in the free-agency era and now the salary cap era is incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 It used to be Wings/Devs for the longest time... but its clear the Devs are behind the Wings now. Even though the Devs are consistently topping their division, we are lacking playoff oomf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice dog Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Ken Holland is simply one of the best GMs of all-time. To have continued success for so long in the free-agency era and now the salary cap era is incredible. dead on...Holland is the best in the business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95Crash Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 dead on...Holland is the best in the business. He might be the best GM in all of North American pro sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prucenterrules Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) Not too mention their "Niedermayer" (Lidstrom) didn't have a brother he needed to play with. If Scotty had stayed here 4 years ago, you'd have to think the trajectory would have been quite different today. We may have had another Cup, or at least another run. I deffinetly think we would've won another cup if he stayed. Edited May 17, 2009 by Prucenterrules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Anyone who seriously believes that Detroit lucked their way into good picks doesn't know what luck is. Detroit's the best scouting team, of that I have no doubt, but there's clearly an element of luck in the way things have played out for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) Detroit's the best scouting team, of that I have no doubt, but there's clearly an element of luck in the way things have played out for them. Absolutely. You don't think Datsyuk and Zetterberg are going to be stars and take them in the 6th round 171st overall and 7th round 210th overall respectively. You take them as soon as you can. But they don't even use the first round of the draft and care for it. From 2001-2004 they didn't even have a first round pick, same with 2006. Nik Kronwall is there only first round pick who has not only been solid but made a dent in the NHL (besides Fischer). Look at some of these years.... 1994 Tomas Holmstrom - 10th round 257th overall 2002 Jiri Hudler - 58th overall Thomas Fleischmann 63rd overall Valtteri Filppula - 95th overall 2004 Johnan Franzen - 97th overall But besides drafting...almost anything the team touches turns to gold. They signed Brett Lebda as an undrafted free agent. Who was Mikael Samuelsson? The Wings picked him up after being on 4 teams in 4 years and he immediately nets 23 goals and 45 points. He has been a constant 40 point player for them. What about Daniel Clearly? No one wanted to touch this player. He couldn't earn a contract after the lockout and only got a spot on this team after a training camp tryout. He has become such a big part of this team. From castoff to 20 goal, 40 point player for this team. And lastly we keep seeing Darren Helm. AHL star and healthy scratch by the season. Solid playoff contributor and regular by night. The 5th round pick in 2005 has now played 29 playoff games and counting in two years compared to 23 regular season games. It seems like the Wings are doing the exact opposite that the Devils are. While they scratched Pandolfo for a large part of the year and then promoted him come playoff time, the Wings played Maltby all year and are now scratching him for guys like Helm and Justin Abdelkader. Justin Abdelkader like Helm, has now played more playoff games this year than career regular season games. Edited May 17, 2009 by devilsrule33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 And lastly we keep seeing Darren Helm. AHL star and healthy scratch by the season. Solid playoff contributor and regular by night. The 5th round pick in 2005 has now played 29 playoff games and counting in two years compared to 23 regular season games. It seems like the Wings are doing the exact opposite that the Devils are. While they scratched Pandolfo for a large part of the year and then promoted him come playoff time, the Wings played Maltby all year and are now scratching him for guys like Helm and Justin Abdelkader. Justin Abdelkader like Helm, has now played more playoff games this year than career regular season games. that was a nice post, but in fairness, the player the devils scratched for jay pandolfo's return to the lineup was bobby holik, a player who was even older than pandolfo. it's not like some young wunderkind got booted. but yeah i agree the wings aren't afraid to sit guys who aren't playing well, and maltby and draper really haven't been very good these last few seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 that was a nice post, but in fairness, the player the devils scratched for jay pandolfo's return to the lineup was bobby holik, a player who was even older than pandolfo. it's not like some young wunderkind got booted. but yeah i agree the wings aren't afraid to sit guys who aren't playing well, and maltby and draper really haven't been very good these last few seasons. But Helm and Abdelkader aren't like Holik. Helm and Abdelkader playing for Maltby and Draper is the equivalent of Vrana, Bergfors and Halischuk playing for Pandolfo. Abdelkader had played only 4 career NHL games before these playoffs without registering a point and played 76 games in the AHL. Helm pretty much has the same deal. You have to give credit to the Wings management and coaching staff for putting these inexperienced players right into the fire and knowing that some of these older vets just can't hack it anymore. Lou was the complete opposite with Pandolfo. He kept talking about his past, and what a big time playoff performer he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 But Helm and Abdelkader aren't like Holik. Helm and Abdelkader playing for Maltby and Draper is the equivalent of Vrana, Bergfors and Halischuk playing for Pandolfo. Abdelkader had played only 4 career NHL games before these playoffs without registering a point and played 76 games in the AHL. Helm pretty much has the same deal.You have to give credit to the Wings management and coaching staff for putting these inexperienced players right into the fire and knowing that some of these older vets just can't hack it anymore. Lou was the complete opposite with Pandolfo. He kept talking about his past, and what a big time playoff performer he is. except that pandolfo really wasn't bad in the playoffs and did some tremendous penalty killing work. it wasn't the equivalent of anything that happened on new jersey. kirk maltby has been falling out of favor there for years - his ice time was 16 minutes a game in 2003-04, down to 13:11 in 2006-07, down to 9:08 this season. abdelkader got in because of an injury as i recall and babcock was impressed with how he played so he left him in. darren helm wasn't on the wings this year iirc because of cap issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 Read this very very good article were Holland talks how they Wings are always so good. I think it's because #5, puck possesion. They never have a Jay Leach, Mike Mottau, or Colin White in there. There D core is the best in the league and it just goes to show Lou needs to rebuild this defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-SS Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) The Red Wings club is a really intelligent if not the most intelligent hockey club.They have that magic touch...they never make big trades but when they make one they don't make a single mistake...when they scout they give as much importance to their first and second round picks as they give to the 6 and 7 round picks...plus they got a good scouting personal.When they sign players its usually for long periods this secure you at least a top 4 or 5 players.And when they choose players they usually choose skilled versatile players...that way you got less details to worry of. Edited May 18, 2009 by SS-SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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