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Because I was talking to RSC about this earlier... I'm interested: for those of you who are high-school juniors/seniors, what schools are you applying/have you applied to? What are you looking to study? What kind of SAT's did you get? What do you think your chances are? Etc... And to the older guys and gal's here, what do you remember about the whole college process? Is it as rigorous as my high-school counseler makes it seem?

For me, I'm going into somewhere with architecture. I spent half my summer interning in South Beach, and I fell in love with the profession. My SAT's were much-less-than-stellar, I was 690 Math 640 CR (1330), but I make up for it with my activities (NHS, 200+ Hours Community Service, Captian Swim Team, etc.). I'm looking at Miami, FIU, Syracuse, Coooper Union, VT, NCST, and Cornell to name a few. My goal school is Miami.. I have the grades to get in, but the Architecture school only accepts 45 students. That's where I hope my internship comes in handy, but we'll see.

What about you? IIRC, Cracker5, RSC, DP26 and nmi are seniors-to-be, right? Anyone I'm forgetting? What grade are you going in to pru?

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Sounds like you're dead set on going out of state for school, but if you needed to stay in NJ (and wanted to be close to your beloved Devils), my alma mater of NJIT has an excellent Architecure program. And I'm not talking about the dinky BS in Arch you get at most schools...it's a mandatory 5 year program with a full accredited B.Arch degree.

In school, I had a few friends who were "Archies" and it's a extremely difficult degree. If you saw somebody walking around that you had never seen before, you had to assume he or she was an Archie, simply because they never leave the building. 5 hour studio classes and reviews so severe it literally brought people to tears are the norm. That being said, while it's a huge undertaking, the reward is huge as well, so if that's your passion, go for it!

As for college life itself, it's what you make of it. It sounds like you are the "involved" type, so you'll have no problem having a good time in college. Make sure the school of your choice has clubs and organizations that match your interests and you'll be all set. While this may not be the case for you, there will be no other time in your life when you can get up at noon for a 12:30 class and be back in bed by 2. :D

Good luck!

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Thanks, I appreciate the reply! If it's not being too rude, how difficult was it to get into NJIT? I have heard that, like TCNJ, is an extremely difficult school to get in to. All of the other schools I liested also offer a BA in Arch, it was a mandatory when I was doing my college search.

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Yeah, like I said in the thread we 'jacked for a little bit, I'm applying to Wake, Vandy, William & Mary, Washington & Lee, Richmond, James Madison and Marquette. So yeah, I'm dead set on going down south (or Wisconsin, if it comes to that :P ) I got a 670 math on the SATs and a 710 on Critical reading, which matches up with my grades in math and english.

I've been starting to heavily lean towards Early Decision at Wake Forest, but I mean its such a huge decision I don't want to just be like "boom ED." The main thing that I like about it is that its rolling admissions and it gives you a better chance percentage wise of being accepted.

I cannot wait to know where I'm gonna be heading next year, but senior year is gonna be awesome (especially since I'll be done with school at 1:10 every day...yay 8th and 9th period off! :P )

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Thanks, I appreciate the reply! If it's not being too rude, how difficult was it to get into NJIT? I have heard that, like TCNJ, is an extremely difficult school to get in to. All of the other schools I liested also offer a BA in Arch, it was a mandatory when I was doing my college search.

For me, NJIT was a second choice, my first being Stevens...I was going for Computer Engineering and Stevens put me on a waiting list so I just jumped at NJIT when I got accepted. Also helped that I lived literally 10 minutes away, so it was an easy choice.

I do know that the Archie program is very tough to get into though, because it's an accreditaed program in a public college. Public schools are always tougher to get into because there's so much competition, but your SAT's should be good enough to get you into NJIT.

Just be aware that the campus life isn't the greatest at NJIT. The school is 80% commuters, so the place gets kinda dead on weekends, but they have been trying to improve that aspect over the years. The one thing NJIT does have is a great fraternity system, if that's your thing.

So, to answer your question, NJIT isnt too bad to get into, especially since you're already in state. Granted this is over 10 years ago, but I got in with a 1250 SAT but I had to take some entry level Math courses before I could jump right in. Oh, and NJIT is extremely Math heavy...if you do well on the entrance exams, you're jumping into Calculus 1 in your freshman year, which is rough.

Just some more info for you!

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Well first off I appreciate the words about TCNJ B )

My brother went to NJIT for Architecture because of how reputable the program is.. It was really a huge door opener for him and at 36 he's one level below partner in his firm, which is huge.. He is based out of Atlantic City and mainly does work on casinos (in AC, Vegas, Moskow, etc. he travels all over)... 2 projects he managed that I'm sure many of you have seen is the Hard Rock Cafe and ESPN Zone in Times Square

A lot of people knock NJIT for being in Newark but honestly the area it's in has gotten a lot better and is one of the safer places in the city.. You're also right by Seton Hall and RU-Newark so I'm sure there will be a lot of things to do around campus.. Plus, you could go to Devils games lol I mean I go to school and have season tickets despite a 70 minute commute to games...

Someone mentioned Greek life at NJIT.. If you're interested in it let me know.. Granted my fraternity doesn't have a chapter there but I'll look into starting one, anyone know how Jewish NJIT is?... Greek life is really something everyone should go into.. Many people have these terrible ideas in their heads about what being in a fraternity but honestly everyone who does it loves the experience.. A month into school you'll know who the fraternities are who haze, who has the nicest guys, who parties the most, etc and you find which one you like best.. It's a network of brothers for a lifetime.. If i ever meet brother Bettman I'm absolutely doing the AEPi secret handshake with him

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Because I was talking to RSC about this earlier... I'm interested: for those of you who are high-school juniors/seniors, what schools are you applying/have you applied to? What are you looking to study? What kind of SAT's did you get? What do you think your chances are? Etc... And to the older guys and gal's here, what do you remember about the whole college process? Is it as rigorous as my high-school counseler makes it seem?

For me, I'm going into somewhere with architecture. I spent half my summer interning in South Beach, and I fell in love with the profession. My SAT's were much-less-than-stellar, I was 690 Math 640 CR (1330), but I make up for it with my activities (NHS, 200+ Hours Community Service, Captian Swim Team, etc.). I'm looking at Miami, FIU, Syracuse, Coooper Union, VT, NCST, and Cornell to name a few. My goal school is Miami.. I have the grades to get in, but the Architecture school only accepts 45 students. That's where I hope my internship comes in handy, but we'll see.

What about you? IIRC, Cracker5, RSC, DP26 and nmi are seniors-to-be, right? Anyone I'm forgetting? What grade are you going in to pru?

College for me was much more enjoyable than highschool. I didnt consider it to be rigerous at all, was pretty simple and laid back. The best part was being able to choose from a multitude of different courses that actually interest you, makes it more enjoyable. Oh, and make sure you sign up as early as possible for classes so you can choose what time slots you want. Was nice waking up at the crack of Lunch instead of 7 or 8 am.

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College for me was much more enjoyable than highschool. I didnt consider it to be rigerous at all, was pretty simple and laid back. The best part was being able to choose from a multitude of different courses that actually interest you, makes it more enjoyable. Oh, and make sure you sign up as early as possible for classes so you can choose what time slots you want. Was nice waking up at the crack of Lunch instead of 7 or 8 am.

a lot of kids overthunk being in high school. I didn't try at all my last 2 and a half years, got a 2090 (1390 on the 2 important parts) on the SAT and still got a 5K scholarship to Rutgers. And then in college, I've somehow found a way to try less. Nobody in college tries unless they're a science/engineering major anyway. The rest of us are just along for the ride :cheers:

By the way, whoever is considering college go to Rutgers. It's got everything. A football team (which matters more than you'd think), every club/activity imaginable (they have underwater basket weaving) and every class. Fun times here

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Can someone explain to me the current scoring system of the SATs? Because it must have changed since I was in high school. I got a 1310 the last time I took it, but the max was 1600.

there are 3 sections now and it adds up to 2400. The math and critical reading were the important parts when I graduated but idk if the writing (new) section matters yet. But they're all worth 800 points. People I knew when I graduated only said their scores from the 2 traditional parts. Nobody cared about the writing at that time

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there are 3 sections now and it adds up to 2400. The math and critical reading were the important parts when I graduated but idk if the writing (new) section matters yet. But they're all worth 800 points. People I knew when I graduated only said their scores from the 2 traditional parts. Nobody cared about the writing at that time

Do they care now? I know when I was applying to schools they said they wouldn't even look at it.. So of course it had to be my best section (got a 650)

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Do they care now? I know when I was applying to schools they said they wouldn't even look at it.. So of course it had to be my best section (got a 650)

I got a 700 on it both times but they didn't even glance at it when I applied. But they're going to at some point I just don't know if that's now

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Do they care now? I know when I was applying to schools they said they wouldn't even look at it.. So of course it had to be my best section (got a 650)

Nah literally every college information session I've been to this past year has said flat out "we do not take the writing section into consideration"

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Take a year off, see the world, have fun. The straight and narrow path is overrated and bad for the soul.

While getting stuff done at a local CC too! My goal is to become a teacher/football coach. So I'm brookdale bound for two years than an in state school. rutgers, seton hall, montclair state, or something else.

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Im a Freshman At Kutztown(PA) University this year i just moved in last week. Anyway for me the most annoying part was doing the extra circular activities to get on my app. and writing the essay, that not every application even wants. The application is so easy now a days with the internet, some colleges even waive the app fee if you do it online. my suggestion is to get your apps in as fast as you can so you dont have to be bothered with it later on in the year, and you would get your decisions faster so if you had to you can apply to more schools. My SATs were not very good but i still got in a very good program (electronic Media) at Kutztown. Its the only school that has its own production truck in the country, not even Syracuse has one.

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a lot of kids overthunk being in high school. I didn't try at all my last 2 and a half years, got a 2090 (1390 on the 2 important parts) on the SAT and still got a 5K scholarship to Rutgers. And then in college, I've somehow found a way to try less. Nobody in college tries unless they're a science/engineering major anyway. The rest of us are just along for the ride :cheers:

By the way, whoever is considering college go to Rutgers. It's got everything. A football team (which matters more than you'd think), every club/activity imaginable (they have underwater basket weaving) and every class. Fun times here

As much as I love Rutgers and will miss it after I finish in December, I can understand people who don't want to go there. It's a real big school and a lot of classes have hundreds of people in them, especially your first two years or so. While there is lots of stuff to do and a ton of majors to choose from, there are some bad things too.

For example, housing is a problem with so many more students trying to live on campus than there are housing spaces, so now I'm living in a hotel 5 miles away along with a few hundred other students. While it's nice to have a football team, it is lame how they cut a bunch of other sports completely just to expand the stadium. Parking permits (along with tuition) get more expensive every year, and it's seemingly impossible to understand all the rules to avoid getting a parking ticket. Whenever you need a question answered about housing, parking, whatever, the first person you call almost never knows the answer and then you get transferred all day long.

The housing department is ridiculously stupid, I've gotten screwed over by them almost every year. I had a real nice dorm last year at the corner of the top floor looking down at the quad, but then they decided this year they weren't going to let you sign back to your dorm unless you got your entire floor to sign back too. I guarantee that did not happen in any floor.

In case anyone cares, here's what happened with my hotel situation. If you don't care then go ahead and skip my rant to the next paragraph. The cutoff lottery number was 3500 for normal housing. My number was like 8800 or something and my roommate's was 3554. They said that as people decide not to live on campus or whatever, they raise the cutoff number and the people who are just above it get an on campus place. Since I signed up with my roommate, my number didn't matter because you get to use the lower of the two. So they told us we were probably going to get an on campus dorm, and one of us just had to fill out the housing agreement for a temporary hotel space on behalf of both of us, just like with a normal dorm. So I filled the agreement out including both of our names. In the middle of the summer, I got my housing assignment, but my roommate didn't get his. I called them up asking what the deal is, they said he never filled out an agreement, I told them that I was told to fill one out on behalf of both of us, just like a regular dorm agreement. They told me that was wrong so all they were able to do was put us in permanent hotel housing, so now we have to live in the hotel the entire year while people with worse lottery numbers than ours are getting moved back on campus. Moral of the story is a lot of the time, Rutgers staff people just aren't on the same page. My friend put it well the other day, saying "There's one thing that's consistent at Rutgers. They will change their policies and whatever but no matter what, they always manage to screw you over." Beware the RU Screw.

With that said though, I'm still glad I chose Rutgers. Also, we have a roller hockey team which is cool because you get to represent your school while playing your favorite sport and you get to meet a bunch of people you already have a common interest with. I'm the VP of the club this year so if any of you guys considering going to Rutgers have more questions about the roller hockey club (or Rutgers in general since I'm in my fifth year here) feel free to ask me.

As for applications, I suggest doing what I did and not stressing out over it. Villanova was my first choice but I got put on the waiting list there and never got the call saying I was accepted. UConn was my backup but I didn't get in there. I tried applying to St. Joe's like four times but their online application just wasn't working so I gave up.

I kind of stopped looking into other schools because I was pretty optimistic about Villanova for some reason, but eventually it occurred to me I had to do something as my friends were all enrolling and I still hadn't been accepted. I had no interest in going to Rutgers at all until I filled out the application in case Villanova didn't take me. I didn't even apply until after the enrollment deadline and somehow I still managed to get in. I never visited the campus or did any of that stuff so other than trips to the grease trucks, the first time I was on campus was for the Livingston College overnight orientation in the middle of the summer (which they sadly do not do anymore since they combined almost all the colleges into the faceless and bland School of Arts and Sciences).

So don't lose your mind over college applications, but don't be as lazy as I was. Probably somewhere in between is more ideal.

EDIT: Holy crap this is probably my biggest post ever. Sorry everyone.

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yeah, RU's not for everyone but I didn't think it'd be for someone like me, but there's always something going on and stuff like that. Yeah it has its problems (housing, being broke) but I love the place

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Yeah TCNJ and Rutgers seem to be the top choices for NJ public schools.. It's a big fight about which one is better but it comes down to what you want.. TCNJ is a better school academically there's no doubt about that but it's smaller too so you miss out on things that Rutgers has like more sports/clubs, more classes offered, and no graduate program for undergrads looking to take grad classes.. Classes at TCNJ are small which some people like..

I really encourage anyone to apply to TCNJ they are going nuts with scholarships lately and in all honesty it's a really great school

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Yeah TCNJ and Rutgers seem to be the top choices for NJ public schools.. It's a big fight about which one is better but it comes down to what you want.. TCNJ is a better school academically there's no doubt about that but it's smaller too so you miss out on things that Rutgers has like more sports/clubs, more classes offered, and no graduate program for undergrads looking to take grad classes.. Classes at TCNJ are small which some people like..

I really encourage anyone to apply to TCNJ they are going nuts with scholarships lately and in all honesty it's a really great school

yeah TCNJ has the academic advantage but that's just because 1/4 of RU is Livingston College (or what remains of the college) which basically had a 1000 SAT rate when it was its own entity. But RU has been greatly cutting down on the scholarships lately so if you can get more $ from TCNJ, do it. And with the housing at RU, a lot of people end up in the hotel in another town and even I got a really good number but still ended up in the middle of the slums in New Brunswick in Rockoff. But they both are clearly the best two public in the state

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yeah TCNJ has the academic advantage but that's just because 1/4 of RU is Livingston College (or what remains of the college) which basically had a 1000 SAT rate when it was its own entity. But RU has been greatly cutting down on the scholarships lately so if you can get more $ from TCNJ, do it. And with the housing at RU, a lot of people end up in the hotel in another town and even I got a really good number but still ended up in the middle of the slums in New Brunswick in Rockoff. But they both are clearly the best two public in the state

It's true that public schools in general benefit academically from a recession because smarter kids with less money will choose the more affordable schools.. TCNJ isn't better for housing, only 2 years are guaranteed, but they are working on it.. They just built 2 new upperclassman dorms.. Although I live off-campus and love it

A good way to get housing at Rutgers is by joining a fraternity, at least that's what I hear

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Welcome to the first annual NJDevs debate. Today's topic: the value of RU as compared to TCNJ.

Ready... begin!

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(EDIT: typo-forgot the "u" in annual. Looked a little... erm... off)

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It's true that public schools in general benefit academically from a recession because smarter kids with less money will choose the more affordable schools.. TCNJ isn't better for housing, only 2 years are guaranteed, but they are working on it.. They just built 2 new upperclassman dorms.. Although I live off-campus and love it

A good way to get housing at Rutgers is by joining a fraternity, at least that's what I hear

Rutgers only has one year guaranteed though and while most upperclassmen live off campus (we got screwed out of that...long story), the sophomores are really the problem since they aren't used to or know the place well enough and a lot of them try to reach too far with their numbers and end up in the hotel, but they're working on new housing for them, even if it is in the dump part of the school.

And about the fraternity, I know a lot of guys in one and they can easily get it and it's cheaper than on campus housing, but that ends up evening out with the dues to the fraternity.

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yeah TCNJ has the academic advantage but that's just because 1/4 of RU is Livingston College (or what remains of the college) which basically had a 1000 SAT rate when it was its own entity. But RU has been greatly cutting down on the scholarships lately so if you can get more $ from TCNJ, do it. And with the housing at RU, a lot of people end up in the hotel in another town and even I got a really good number but still ended up in the middle of the slums in New Brunswick in Rockoff. But they both are clearly the best two public in the state

There is no way RU is 1/4 Livingston College. There are no Livingston College freshmen, sophomores, and I don't think there are any Livingston College juniors either. When we still had Rutgers College, Douglass College, and Livingston College, Livingston College still wasn't 1/4 of Rutgers, so not even 1/4 of the seniors are Livingston College students, which means Livingston College is now less than 1/16, or roughly 6% of Rutgers, and even that is with a high estimate. I am a fifth-year senior Livingston College student, and every time I have to fill out a paper that asks me to circle which college I am in, I have to write in Livingston College because there are so few of us left that they don't even bother putting it on their forms anymore.

Also, where did you find that average SAT score of 1000 statistic? I had a 1220 and I don't think I was that much better than my classmates here. It was still part of the same university, there's no way the Livingston College standards are that much lower than the rest of the university. Regardless of what college you were affiliated with, you were in the same classes as Cook College, Rutgers College, and Douglass College students, so their standards couldn't have been that different.

Oh yeah and Rockoff is one of the most prestigious places on campus. It is the newest resident building at Rutgers. Probably the only place that has more people trying to live there is the Easton Ave apartments. Nobody "ends up" in Rockoff, the people living there are the lucky ones haha. I lived in Rockoff this summer and it is so much nicer than any dorm building. Plus you get the 7-11, Coldstone, gym, and pizzeria right there on your ground floor. The downside is that the parking deck behind the building is owned by New Brunswick instead of Rutgers, so the permit to park there is $135 a month instead of $170 for the whole year. Also it is in the worst part of campus, a few students got robbed in that area while I was living there. Just don't go walking around there by yourself late at night.

Rutgers only has one year guaranteed though and while most upperclassmen live off campus (we got screwed out of that...long story), the sophomores are really the problem since they aren't used to or know the place well enough and a lot of them try to reach too far with their numbers and end up in the hotel, but they're working on new housing for them, even if it is in the dump part of the school.

And about the fraternity, I know a lot of guys in one and they can easily get it and it's cheaper than on campus housing, but that ends up evening out with the dues to the fraternity.

I think they changed the housing sign-up process last year so if you try and fail to get into a nice apartment or suite, you can still sign up for a regular dorm so they don't have that problem anymore. I could be wrong though but that was my understanding of one of their changes last year.

By the way, sorry if it seems like I am ripping you here, not intentional. B )

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