SC Devs Fan Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Is Race Part of Anti-Obama Fervor? http://news.aol.com/article/the-point-race-and-obama-opponents/668893 After a weekend marked by a large anti-Obama demonstration in Washington, D.C., commentators are pondering what role race plays in the growing wave of opposition to the nation's first African-American president. Several veteran Democrats tell Politico they see racism as a factor in efforts to delegitimize the Obama presidency -- especially among those who portray him as an outsider by claiming he wasn't born in the United States. Salon's Joan Walsh writes that his opponents are "blackening" Obama by "simultaneously diminishing his support and emphasizing his ethnicity." She notes that the president is steadily losing support among white voters. Personally, I've been proud that racism hasn't been an issue and hasn't been raised, but maybe that's because I am caucasian and simply haven't noticed it. I'd like to think most of America has moved past that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 (edited) Racism comes up from time to time, for example: http://www.essence.com/news_entertainment/news/articles/ny_governor_patterson_cites_racism_in_talk_over_his_low_standing/ “We’re not in the post-racial period,” said Mr. Paterson in a radio interview with Daily News columnist Errol Louis. “My feeling is it’s being orchestrated, it’s a game, and people who pay attention know that,” he said. “We have a media that doesn’t report the news. We have a media that wants to make the news.”“The reality is the next victim on the list, and you can see it coming, is President Obama, who did nothing more than trying to reform a health care system,” Mr. Paterson said. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4c0_1250124705&c=1 MSNBC Host: Word "Socialist" Code For The "N-Word" Edited September 15, 2009 by Devils731 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyFan42 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Personally, I've been proud that racism hasn't been an issue and hasn't been raised, but maybe that's because I am caucasian and simply haven't noticed it. I'd like to think most of America has moved past that. I would, too, but it'll be the part of America that hasn't moved past it that'll garner all the attention. The vocal minority always drowns out the silent majority. Unfortunately, I think it'll happen before Obama leaves office. That's not to say that it would be any more acceptable if it didn't happen until after his presidency is over, but the fools will make themselves known eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutral Zone Trap Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I would, too, but it'll be the part of America that hasn't moved past it that'll garner all the attention. The vocal minority always drowns out the silent majority. Unfortunately, I think it'll happen before Obama leaves office. That's not to say that it would be any more acceptable if it didn't happen until after his presidency is over, but the fools will make themselves known eventually. Are you talking about the Southern states Rowdy ? just say so if you are, don't be shy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyFan42 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Are you talking about the Southern states Rowdy ? just say so if you are, don't be shy. Your attempt to instigate a fight has failed. I wasn't referring to geography at all, and I'm insulted that you would try to put those words in my mouth. Racism is not confined to geographical boundaries or even political affiliations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutral Zone Trap Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Your attempt to instigate a fight has failed. I wasn't referring to geography at all, and I'm insulted that you would try to put those words in my mouth. Racism is not confined to geographical boundaries or even political affiliations. Where you got that I was trying to instigate a "fight" I have no idea. So when you said " so it'll be the Part of America that hasn't moved past it that'll garner all the attention" you were not refering to an area geographically, you were refering to some people who are still racist ? regardless of locale ? And regardless of political affilliation. Fair enough, but from what you have written, it can be inferred that there are Liberals/Democrats who are racist ? I didn't think Dems/Libs could be racist, I was lead to believe from the media and this board that only white republicans are racists ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Puddy Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Racism isn't confined to geography. I remember when I was 19 or 20, I stopped for gas along a 2-lane highway on the way from Saratoga Springs to Rochester. The attendant came up to my window, and I made my standard "I'm from NJ... I don't know how to pump gas" quip. The guy's response was, "New Jersey, got a lot of niggers there, don't you?" That was a pretty eye opening experience for me. I don't think you can make a convincing argument that race is not a part of anti-Obama fervor. The real question is to what degree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsadvoc8 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Are there racists out there, absolutely. Are they stirring the pot, yes. However, whenever you are trying to determine the causation of something, you try to isolate different factors. In doing so, you find that when health care reform was brought up 15 years ago by a caucasian, it was met with stiff resistence as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC Devs Fan Posted September 15, 2009 Author Share Posted September 15, 2009 Are you talking about the Southern states Rowdy ? just say so if you are, don't be shy. Having lived for a long time in both the North and South, there is no doubt in my mind that subtle racism is more prevelent in the South. Maybe because there are so many issues regarding the Confederate flag here in SC that it still makes the front page of the paper monthly - lately because the ACC cancelled their tourney for baseball here because of a NAACP "boycott" - but it surely isn't an issue that isn't raised often. But I agree with above, blatant racism is found by a minority in every area of the Country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Are there racists out there, absolutely. Are they stirring the pot, yes. However, whenever you are trying to determine the causation of something, you try to isolate different factors. In doing so, you find that when health care reform was brought up 15 years ago by a caucasian, it was met with stiff resistence as well. Exactly. Whispers of Racism are a pathetic deflection of genuine criticism, and an attempt to discredit anyone who disagrees with the president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/15/carter_claims_there_is_racist_tone_against_obama.html In an interview with NBC's Brian Williams, former President Jimmy Carter said he has been extremely bothered by the heightened climate of racial and other hate speech since the election of President Barack Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601074&sid=agUnJfnW_IBU Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsadvoc8 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Hank Johnson is way out of line here as is Jimmy "please pay attention to me" Carter. To attempt to attribute racism to criticism is either ignorant or a desperate plea to keep dialogue away from the related issues. This health care plan has substantial questions coming from within the Democratic party itself. Are not those questions not racially motivated as well?The plan has lots of open areas and to inject this type of bullcrap shows desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Yes. The DemonRats are desperate. They are seeing their president going down in flames............and unfortunately taking us all with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Yes. The DemonRats are desperate. They are seeing their president going down in flames............and unfortunately taking us all with him. Hrm, flames? He still has 50%+ approval rating despite a cluster fvck in congress, a recession. As the economy recovers people will associate that with Obama, whether you think the stimulus helped or not. Plus he is going to come out of the HC debate with some kind of victory, even if it small reforms at this point. But I guess it's all about perspective, lets face it there was nothing he could have done that would have made you actually approve anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsadvoc8 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Obama refuted Carter's race accusation. link The president does not think it is based on the color of his skin," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters. Good job by Obama in attempting to slam the door on this quickly. This crap will only obfuscate and delay legitimate discussion of the health care issue and other important issues. JC needs to STFU. He has opened his mouth a couple times recently and caused more harm than good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I can't believe people think this was racially motivated. If it was then there is not a shred of evidence to suggest it. It was flagrantly wrong all by itself democrats don't need to try to build it up more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 (edited) Jimmy Carter is a good man, I believe, but he helped nobody with his unsubstantiated racism comments. People here have already said it well: the racism charge is a smokescreen to cloud over legitimate debate about Obamacare. Edited September 17, 2009 by Jerrydevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Carter is an idiot, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC Devs Fan Posted September 17, 2009 Author Share Posted September 17, 2009 Carter is an idiot, plain and simple. Arguably the worst President we ever had. But he did have a cool brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Arguably the worst President we ever had. The case certainly could be made. What was worse, his domestic or foreign policy? I think it's a tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyFan42 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Arguably the worst President we ever had. Since Leeds blows his stack whenever anyone directly edits a quote, I'm going to do it anyway just to piss him off present my "fixed it!" moment like this: SC, I believe you meant to say "Arguably the worst Democrat President we ever had." -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- One of these days (read: probably never but I'd still love to do it) I oughta sit down and do a full-on comparison between Carter and Bush II. It'll be interesting to see how much of this back-and-forth is truth and how much is partisan bickering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC Devs Fan Posted September 17, 2009 Author Share Posted September 17, 2009 I think you will need more time to evaluate Bush and let the 'anger' over his Presidency subside to evaluate him fairly. My quote stands for Carter - he is arguably the worst President, be he a democrat or republican; he is certainly a frontrunner in that argument. My thoughts are, as time moves forward, that many will include Bush in that group too, not unfairly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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