nmigliore Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) thing is what the mets ARE short on is MLB-ready players at every position. This past year? Yeah I would say they were, outside of Niese who was MLB-ready when called up, hence the reason they called upon so many fillers like Sullivan and Valdez (note: I didn't list F-Mart since he didn't appear MLB-ready to me despite doing really well in AAA for a month or so). But next year, it should be much different.. Ike Davis, Josh Thole, Ruben Tejada, Brad Holt, Jenrry Mejia, Lucas Duda, and Eric Niesen are part of the group of AA talent moving up to the AAA level and they all arguably could be MLB-ready some point next year (and that's not counting some of the guys that were in AAA this year, ie: F-Mart, Kunz, Gee). Heck, if they really wanted to, they could stick Niesen, Holt, and Mejia in next year's bullpen, stick Davis at 1B, and stick Thole behind the dish as the everyday catcher. But of course I rather them not do that. Edited October 17, 2009 by nmigliore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prucenterrules Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I hope the yankees get swept and destroyed in every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamtheprodigy Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) It's not the Yankees' fault that they play in NYC and make a lot of money. What are they supposed to do, not spend their money effectively so that they can have the best team that they can? Having money to spend isn't everything. If the Yankees can simply "buy" championships with all their money, then why haven't they won one since 2000? Certainly they don't have much more money this past season than the one before when they missed the postseason. I'll agree that it's not really a level playing field and that teams with less money have to struggle to compete, but that's not the Yankees' fault, so don't blame them for spending their money. The Mets have plenty of money to spend and they aren't "buying" championships. The same can be said about the Cubs, the Red Sox, and others. The Yankees have had success this year because they're playing well as a team, not because they somehow "bought their way in". In conclusion, let's go Yank-ees. Edited October 20, 2009 by iamtheprodigy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyrsuck26 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) I know I'm just going to come off as a no-brain Yankee fan who drinks the kool-aid (and maybe I am), but you guys do know that the Yankees team payroll is actually down from last year right? Here it is: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Even-after-spending-spree-Yanks-payroll-drops-?urn=mlb,131125 Fact is the Yankees make lots of money, and I would be pissed if they didn't spend it and put a competitive team out on the field every year. The Yankees are just smart enough to take advantage of the system presented to them. Also, I actually would love for MLB to have a salary cap, because it is not fair to certain teams like Pittsburgh, Florida, etc. And that is just one of the many reforms that MLB needs in my opinion, but I'm not going to get into that now. But, MLB will never get a salary cap because of the player's union, so there's really no point in arguing about it. By the way: Yanks win game 1 Edited October 17, 2009 by nyrsuck26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampdevil Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 F$$$ THE YANKEES AND THEIR HALF A BILLION DOLLAR PAYROLL. IN THE OFF SEASON THEY PURCHASED THE 3 BEST PLAYERS ON THE MARKET.CHRIST HOW COULD THEY NOT WIN. IN CONCLUSION........F$$$ THE SKANKEES. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shapeshift Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) F$$$ THE YANKEES AND THEIR HALF A BILLION DOLLAR PAYROLL. IN THE OFF SEASON THEY PURCHASED THE 3 BEST PLAYERS ON THE MARKET.CHRIST HOW COULD THEY NOT WIN. IN CONCLUSION........F$$$ THE SKANKEES. Welcome to the real world dude...money rules it. It's not fair so fvcking deal with it. To me, the Yankees take me back to my childhood....to watching every game on Channel 11 religiously, listening to Rizzuto's call...to idolizing Randolph, Winfield, Nettles, Guidry, etc...to long traffic filled trips to the Stadium. It wasn't much of a choice. It was there and it was a part of me. Still is. I say FVCK the crybabies who hate the Yankees. Suck it! As if there wasn't a bigger bandwagon than "Red Sox Nation" anyway these days?! It's fashionable to hate the Yanks. Bronx Bombers Forever!!!!!! Edited October 17, 2009 by Shapeshift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadevils Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 yankees win, THHHEEEEE YANKEEEESSS WINNN!!! No matter what hearing that still makes me happy even if they go out and spend a billion next off-season ..which they should with what ive paid for tickets this year So just suck it and wish your baseball team could afford to pay their players.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Puddy Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 It wasn't much of a choice. It was there and it was a part of me. Still is. I say FVCK the crybabies who hate the Yankees. Suck it! As if there wasn't a bigger bandwagon than "Red Sox Nation" anyway these days?! It's fashionable to hate the Yanks. Bronx Bombers Forever!!!!!! Can't stand those kids I grew up with in Jersey who went to college in Boston and suddenly became Red Sox fans. What a joke! Now I'm starting to see it with the Phillies! REMEMBER WHERE YOU'RE FROM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyFan42 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Can't stand those kids I grew up with in Jersey who went to college in Boston and suddenly became Red Sox fans. What a joke! Now I'm starting to see it with the Phillies! REMEMBER WHERE YOU'RE FROM! The Yankees are from New Jersey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USAkid90 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 As a Yankees fan I'm lovin all the crying. How about the owners not being greedy and actually spent money for once? Is it our fault for trying to improve the team? The Yankees have been more into developing prospect since about the 2005 season. Montero is our top prospect who projects to be a Carlos Lee/Miguel Cabrera type bat. The Red Sox have a high payroll, so do the Angels. Red sox bought the 04 and 07 titles. Yankees also give money to other teams, still want to say were greedy? Also, the success we've had this year isn't because we bought FA's, it's because they're playing well as a TEAM. There no Randy Johnson, Sheffield, Lofton, Mondesi, Mussina type players here. So keep the crying coming, nothing will change. Maybe owners will decide to spent when needed instead of keeping it most of it to themselves. Don't blame us for your incompetence. Pirates are an example, they develop good talent to win the division and go a bit deep in the playoffs but when they become good they trade them away, same with Oakland. What can we do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlesex Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) The Yankees went out and spent a few hundred mill and bought a cy young caliber pitcher and AL MVP candidate. Congrats on buying another World Series boys. The Rangers tried to buy a championship but in hockey you actually need to have chemistry. WIN, WIN, Epic Win shame that $---head Bud Selig lets Steinbrenner and his greedy men get away with it, Fvck Major League Juiceball until it can have a cap and a FAIR playing field for every team, the NFL/NHL has it done right and the NBA too to a lesser extent. As a Yankees fan I'm lovin all the crying. How about the owners not being greedy and actually spent money for once? Is it our fault for trying to improve the team? The Yankees have been more into developing prospect since about the 2005 season. Montero is our top prospect who projects to be a Carlos Lee/Miguel Cabrera type bat. The Red Sox have a high payroll, so do the Angels. Red sox bought the 04 and 07 titles. Yankees also give money to other teams, still want to say were greedy? spending money to better your own team is fine, why not cap it so its FAIR for every team? the 'well we give to other teams' theory is the dumbest thing in the world. nothing personal but this is just like supporting the AIG bonuses while chuckling at the homeless people in central park. the yankees voted against the luxury tax, it was a 29-1 vote as for the Sox, What is the universal sign for choking? 2004 Bankee$ No matter what you say, the Yankees are the RANGERS of MLB. Try and hide from your hypocrisy all you want P.S. none of this is personal towards anyone, just vented anger i have no beef with anyone but that slimeball A-Fraud Edited October 17, 2009 by Middlesex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theamazingtiny Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 i have no beef with anyone but that slimeball A-Fraud What a bout Big Popout? Or Manny tits? '04 '07 championship brought to you by juice! Too bad Tex wanted to be a Yankee right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 No matter what you say, the Yankees are the RANGERS of MLB. Try and hide from your hypocrisy all you want First of all, I do support a cap, despite the fact that, in case you haven't noticed yet, I am a Yankees fan. I honestly believe, though, that the Yankees would adapt to a cap. Already, they decided to develop young players (Hughes, Kennedy, Joba, Cabrera) rather than trade at least 2 of them for Santana. While they were able to outspend everyone to get C.C. the next year, they have already proved that they are smarter than a lot of teams in baseball (Mets, Sox who decided that bringing in a couple washed up/hurt vets was a better investment than C.C.). You can hate the Yanks all you want, and you can feel for teams like the Twins who consistently do a great job scouting and developing talent, but always seem to be 1 player short, but don't insult the Yankees (or the Red Sox usually) by saying the only reason they win is the money. The Mets, who have horrific chemistry and consistently underachieve are the Rangers of baseball. This is no insult to Mets fans, who are much closer to Devils fans than Yankee fans (many of whom are as bad as Rags fans), but their management has consistently tried to hide bad scouting by spending more money, and it hasn't worked. Maybe NMigs is right about the prospects, and I hope so, cause Mets fans deserve better, but right now, they've screwed up royally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 IN THE OFF SEASON THEY PURCHASED THE 3 BEST PLAYERS ON THE MARKET. While I would argue that Burnett was not one of the 3 best players on the market (no insult there, but he's always been too inconsistent for my liking), the Yankees deserve credit for getting the BEST. I wanted Derek Lowe over A.J. I was wrong. Lots of people thought Manny would be better than Tex. In retrospect, that looks stupid, but at the time, no one knew Manny would get caught juicing, or that Tex could handle the pressure of playing in New York. No insult to Manny, but Tex had an MVP type season. The Yankees were smart enough to throw money at the right guy. I'm not saying Cashman's a great GM, or that he could survive in Minnesota, but the Yankees have done a good job of putting the right guys on the field this year. Also, it's not easy to be the Yankees. No GM has to deal with threats of being fired as much as Cashman. While he's not perfect with personnel, he's one of the few guys who could survive the Steinbrenners (and protect his manager, which he's been pretty good at). Lots of players (Giambi, Randy Johnson, A-Rod to a certain extent) can't deal with the pressure of playing in New York. In that sense, the Yankees are like the Habs. Not saying SOME small market fans don't have the right to complain (Pittsburgh blows because they're stupid, not cause they're poor), but the Yankees don't have it easy by any stretch of the imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrQuotes Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 it's the same 5 year old "it's not fair" babble is the same old whinery ive heard for years and its still just as funny. and the yankees spend their money properly. not idiotically like the redskins do or the rangers did. i don't even fully comprehend it either. i mean if they won every single championship since 1998 then the bitching about buying ther titles would be valid, but they havent won in 8 years. yet instead of making fun of them like we did with the rangers back in their garbage years, all the anti-yankee people just whine and complain about it. FYI: the yankees weren't the only team that pursued sabathia, but i guarantee the epic iducement of tears wouldn't have resulted if he ended up somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH26 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 FYI: the yankees weren't the only team that pursued sabathia, but i guarantee the epic iducement of tears wouldn't have resulted if he ended up somewhere else. anaheim wanted him too. If he'd gone there, everyone would just say what a coup it was for the Angels, but for the Yankees it's about buying a championship. If you've got the money, spend it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 anaheim wanted him too. If he'd gone there, everyone would just say what a coup it was for the Angels, but for the Yankees it's about buying a championship. If you've got the money, spend it And Anaheim could have afforded him, but decided to spend their money elsewhere. They got Abreu, whom the Yankees decided they couldn't afford/didn't want to keep and traded for Kazmir. I'd say both teams are happy with the returns so far. We'll see what happens in the series, but if the Yankees win people have no business whining about the Yankees money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Yankees significant home grown players: Jeter Posada Rivera Cano Hughes Pettite Joba Aceves Melkman Don't forget Coke and Robertson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 it's the same 5 year old "it's not fair" babble is the same old whinery ive heard for years and its still just as funny. and the yankees spend their money properly. not idiotically like the redskins do or the rangers did. i don't even fully comprehend it either. i mean if they won every single championship since 1998 then the bitching about buying ther titles would be valid, but they havent won in 8 years. yet instead of making fun of them like we did with the rangers back in their garbage years, all the anti-yankee people just whine and complain about it. FYI: the yankees weren't the only team that pursued sabathia, but i guarantee the epic iducement of tears wouldn't have resulted if he ended up somewhere else. Are you kidding me? The Yankees spend their money wisely? How many titles have they won in the last 8 years? They have thrown money around like crazy in this decade as their payroll has absolutely ballooned. How about the $32 million deal to Jose Contreras. What about RJ, Wright, Pavano, Vazquez, Lieber? What about a 1-year contract to Roger Clemens worth 28 fvcking million!!!! Even this year, the A.J. Burnett contract is crazy, and every Yankees fan has not even the slightest idea which A.J. they will see tonight. When you spend $82.5 million, shouldn't you know that that player is at least going to give you a good game? And I just mentioned the pitchers. Now the Yankees do spend their money. And there a ton of rich owners who refuse to do that, but the Yanks also benefit from a massive TV deal that most teams can't get. The Yankees spending got out of control over the last few years. When numerous players make more by themselves than an entire team, something is wrong with the system. And major league baseball is a joke when it comes to this. There needs to be a cap in place. There needs to be a rookie cap. You can't have agents like Boras demanding outrageous amounts of money to high school kids. Something is wrong when the worst team in the league can't sign their number 1 overall pick. Something is wrong when teams draft based on who the agent is and not the talent of the player. Anyone can say the Yankees are drafting well and scouting well, but other teams are passing these kids by because they know they will ask for lots of money. So these kids fall in the laps of the usual suspects. The Yankees shouldn't be faulted for playing by the stupid rules. But I don't know, Yankees fans are going crazy with this team, calling them special, loving the A.J. Burnett pie in the face that he brought over from Toronto. But in the end, this team should be winning. It's too damn good on paper. The lineup when healthy is an all-star team. The infield alone is worth 90+ million. I just couldn't get too excited if my team beat a team with a payroll that was more than 3 times smaller. I also think there were a lot of Yankees fans going nuts about the Rangers spending in the late 90s and early 00s when the same thing happened with them in the last 5-6 years. Maybe it wasn't you guys, but I imagine there were a lot of Yankees fans like that. And the Yankees payroll may have gone down, but that was them cutting a lot dead wood. They still replaced them with younger more gigantic contracts (just fewer of them). Again nothing is wrong with that...just don't pretend this team is much different than other years. The difference is C.C. is a lot better than a 42-year-old Randy Johnson and a stuck on the DL Carl Pavano. Sure Phil Hughes has stepped up, and he's home grown. As for the person who said they are trying to develop rather than trade...well trading whatever combo of Highes, Kennedy, Chamberlain for Santana would have actually been an extremely smart thing to do. But in the end...I blame the moronic system in place, which includes 18 games against division rivals just so FOX and ESPN can get Sox-Yankees as many times as possible. Back in 2001-2001...the gap wasn't so bad. The Yanks had about a $50 million payroll advantage on most teams. Now we are talking about $110-120 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Sure Phil Hughes has stepped up, and he's home grown. As for the person who said they are trying to develop rather than trade...well trading whatever combo of Highes, Kennedy, Chamberlain for Santana would have actually been an extremely smart thing to do. To clarify my point: It would have been smart to do IF C.C., who is comparable to Santana wasn't going to be available a year later. Everyone knew Cleveland couldn't afford C.C. Santana's a great player, but even the Yankees couldn't afford both of them, and by being patient, the Yankees didn't have to deplete their farm system. That decision cost them a playoff spot last year, since the youth movement wasn't ready, and a lot of the overpriced vets sucked (good point about Pavano, Johnson et al), but the Mets didn't make the playoffs even with Santana pitching brilliantly, and now it looks like they won't be going anywhere near the playoffs for the next few years, partially because they have a bunch of old players and no farm system. The Yankees have their fair share of old guys, But they have some good young guys on the roster (Cano, Cabrera, Hughes), a lot of fill in types in AAA (Cervelli being the big one this year), and a good group of prospects, led by Austin Jackson to keep pushing the vets. The Mets gave that up for Santana. Yes, Carlos Gomez has issues, but he would have been damn useful on the Mets this year. The Twins were smart enough to get decent returns when they had to trade Santana. The Yankees were smart enough to wait on C.C. and keep their youth movement intact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlesex Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Something is wrong when the worst team in the league can't sign their number 1 overall pick. BAM, dead on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) Are you kidding me? The Yankees spend their money wisely? How many titles have they won in the last 8 years? They have thrown money around like crazy in this decade as their payroll has absolutely ballooned. How about the $32 million deal to Jose Contreras. What about RJ, Wright, Pavano, Vazquez, Lieber? What about a 1-year contract to Roger Clemens worth 28 fvcking million!!!! Even this year, the A.J. Burnett contract is crazy, and every Yankees fan has not even the slightest idea which A.J. they will see tonight. When you spend $82.5 million, shouldn't you know that that player is at least going to give you a good game? And I just mentioned the pitchers. Now the Yankees do spend their money. And there a ton of rich owners who refuse to do that, but the Yanks also benefit from a massive TV deal that most teams can't get. any discussion of baseball that does not include just how much luck there is in the playoffs isn't one worth having. the yankees' expectation over the last 8 years is not 0 titles given their regular season winning records, just as it wasn't 4 titles in 6 years in the 1990s. that's not to say the yankees have spent their money intelligently. but free agency in ALL SPORTS is a gamble, especially in baseball with pitchers, who are probably more prone to injury/sudden dropoff in performance than any player in a sport with guaranteed contracts. The Yankees spending got out of control over the last few years. When numerous players make more by themselves than an entire team, something is wrong with the system. And major league baseball is a joke when it comes to this. There needs to be a cap in place. There needs to be a rookie cap. You can't have agents like Boras demanding outrageous amounts of money to high school kids. Something is wrong when the worst team in the league can't sign their number 1 overall pick. Something is wrong when teams draft based on who the agent is and not the talent of the player. Anyone can say the Yankees are drafting well and scouting well, but other teams are passing these kids by because they know they will ask for lots of money. So these kids fall in the laps of the usual suspects. the problem is with the other teams, not the yankees, in this regard. 'there needs to be a cap in place'? why? why is that necessary? you just say that it is. for what, competitive balance? this assumes that the whole of baseball doesn't benefit from the yankees being awesome, which is a lie, it most certainly does. i am not convinced that baseball would benefit from a salary cap, i'm really not. that isn't to say that my sense of justice or fair play loves the way that baseball is set up, because it doesn't. but viewing baseball as a for-profit business, which it very clearly is for most of the owners involved, i'm just not sure that's the case. rookie caps ensure some parity but at the cost of the player - baseball certainly has its share of players whose careers were ruined before making it to the majors. clearly stradsburg et. al should hold out for as many $ as possible - this might be their only shot to get big money. The Yankees shouldn't be faulted for playing by the stupid rules. But I don't know, Yankees fans are going crazy with this team, calling them special, loving the A.J. Burnett pie in the face that he brought over from Toronto. But in the end, this team should be winning. It's too damn good on paper. The lineup when healthy is an all-star team. The infield alone is worth 90+ million. I just couldn't get too excited if my team beat a team with a payroll that was more than 3 times smaller. I also think there were a lot of Yankees fans going nuts about the Rangers spending in the late 90s and early 00s when the same thing happened with them in the last 5-6 years. Maybe it wasn't you guys, but I imagine there were a lot of Yankees fans like that. And the Yankees payroll may have gone down, but that was them cutting a lot dead wood. They still replaced them with younger more gigantic contracts (just fewer of them). Again nothing is wrong with that...just don't pretend this team is much different than other years. The difference is C.C. is a lot better than a 42-year-old Randy Johnson and a stuck on the DL Carl Pavano. Sure Phil Hughes has stepped up, and he's home grown. As for the person who said they are trying to develop rather than trade...well trading whatever combo of Highes, Kennedy, Chamberlain for Santana would have actually been an extremely smart thing to do. it would not have been a smart thing to do. even the yankees don't have limitless payroll. having cc + hughes >>> trading for santana. But in the end...I blame the moronic system in place, which includes 18 games against division rivals just so FOX and ESPN can get Sox-Yankees as many times as possible. Back in 2001-2001...the gap wasn't so bad. The Yanks had about a $50 million payroll advantage on most teams. Now we are talking about $110-120 million. ...and FOX and ESPN can get sox-yankees as many times as possible so that the television contract is higher and so that all of baseball benefits. there are ways to compete without breaking the bank. the rays have showed it the last two years. and not just their way, but seattle will start to show it as well. pittsburgh's going to take a while to come around, but it will. teams can compete without throwing around hundreds of millions of dollars, it just means being smart - and intelligence in baseball general managing tends to be in shorter supply than dollars to throw at a 'problem'. Edited October 17, 2009 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravityFat Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I love the Yankees so much. Go boys let's get that #27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Puddy Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 The Yankees are from New Jersey? Please, I grew up closer to the Bronx than most people who live in New York. It took me less time to get to Yankee Stadium than a lot of people who live in NYC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyFan42 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 any discussion of baseball that does not include just how much luck there is in the playoffs isn't the problem is with the other teams, not the yankees, in this regard. 'there needs to be a cap in place'? why? why is that necessary? you just say that it is. for what, competitive balance? For the same reason the NHL needed a cap: because a good number of the owners can't afford to spend as much as the Yankees and the other big spenders do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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