Triumph Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 The length of the contract isn't what is in question, I would say its the age at which they are when the contract ends. How old is Hossa when his contract is up? i mean the same thing. hossa is 42 when his contract ends. so is pronger, i believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Puddy Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) Curious if Lou will take this to court. There is precedent with the Zetterberg, Hossa, Franzen, and Pronger contracts, though Kovy's contract goes much farther in terms of the difference between largest salary and cap hit. Though to be fair the way the money is spread out in the front end is very different... If I were Lou I'd argue that the average value over the "big" years of the contract (1st 10) is only 8.8m, which is actually not very different from the aforementioned contracts. Difference btw largest year and cap hit Pronger: 7.6 - 4.9 = 2.7 Hossa: 7.9 - 5.275 = 2.625 Zetterberg: 7.4 - 6.1 = 1.3 Franzen: 5.5 - 4.9 = 1.6 Kovy: 11.5 - 6 = 5.5 Huge difference there, but if you take the average given above (over the 1st 10 years), you get: Kovy: 8.8 - 6 = 2.8 That's in line with Pronger's contract, which goes to age 42. Edited July 21, 2010 by David Puddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin226 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 First we had the "Brodeur Rule" and now we have the "Kovy Rule". Bettman hates us first we had Nashville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Dose Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 So is this a big "uh oh," or small beans or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartysGlove Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Curious if Lou will take this to court. There is precedent with the Zetterberg, Hossa, Franzen, and Pronger contracts, though Kovy's contract goes much farther in terms of the difference between largest salary and cap hit. Though to be fair the way the money is spread out in the front end is very different... If I were Lou I'd argue that the average value over the "big" years of the contract (1st 10) is only 8.8m, which is actually not very different from the aforementioned contracts. Difference btw largest year and cap hit Pronger: 7.6 - 4.9 = 2.7 Hossa: 7.9 - 5.275 = 2.625 Zetterberg: 7.4 - 6.1 = 1.3 Franzen: 5.5 - 4.9 = 1.6 Kovy: 11.5 - 6 = 5.5 Huge difference there, but if you take the average given above (over the 1st 10 years), you get: Kovy: 8.8 - 6 = 2.8 That's in line with Pronger's contract, which goes to age 42. Again, it doesn't matter WHAT he is paid. The only way the NHL can veto this is if they have evidence that Kovy plans to retire on year 12. Otherwise, having a 43 year old player with a 6 mill cap hit is.. not circumventing the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin226 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 I always defend Gary, he's my fraternity brother and I usually agree with his decisions, but this is BULLSH** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Eh I have faith that Lou will shove his foot right down gary's throat on this one. NHL just has to show face. They couldn't 'allow' this to go through. They'd look foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) Pronger gets approval, Hossa gets approval and this doesn't? BS! I think the Devils have a case to sue. Edited July 21, 2010 by Jerrydevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelastonealive Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 I see what's going on here. Clearly the NHL couldn't handle the thought of this thread going away. We're gonna hit 300 and well beyond now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeford Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 I have all the faith in the world that Lou will take this thing to court if he has to. He broke no rules. The CBA and the salary cap is broken. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickwall30 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 wow bettman is really a malicious P.O.S. Not only does he try to go against a very well established president in this league of allowing these things, but he waits until after our press conference that was streamed on NHL network and NHL.com so that we look like even more of a joke. I wonder if Lou's comments about these contracts not having a place in the league had anything to do with them veto'ing them. Or if Kovie's comments about him HOPING to be in good enough condition to be playing once he is 44 has anything to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin226 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) i mean the same thing. hossa is 42 when his contract ends. so is pronger, i believe. It all depends what angle Lou plans to attack the situation on and what grounds that it circumvents the NHL's salary cap. The contract will probably be 101 over 15 years if it were to change. Plus the average shape of athletes continues to get better year after year. It isn't out of the question that a player 44 years of age couldn't play hockey 17 years from now. Edited July 21, 2010 by Jas0nMacIsaac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin226 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) Edited July 21, 2010 by Colin226 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 it's not the same thing. kovalchuk's deal goes longer than anyone else's. So freaking what...Hossa and Pronger are 41 and 42, Kovy's 44, big whoop. Chelios is still playing at 48 and Gordie Howe played into his 50's. I'm not saying it's likely Kovy will be playing then but come on, you can't arbitrarily create a precedent where one didn't exist before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Puddy Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) I'm also forgetting about Luongo's contract, which expires when he's 43. There's no way the NHL will win a challenge based on the precedent they have set. Edited July 21, 2010 by David Puddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Great job, and approprite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanity_gallops Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Zetterberg's contract is the most similar case for comparison, I'd think. He was 28 and signed a 12-year deal with a precipitous drop in the end, though down to only $1mil/per. If changes have to be made, and 17 years is kept as the duration, I wonder if NHL would approve $7mil each of the first two seasons, change $11.5 mil to $11mil per season, then adjust the figures towards the end with the remaining balance of money (too lazy to calculate that now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-SS Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 O.K Lou get you lawyer ready and get your homework done cuz their is some court work that is going to be done. Even at this point I cant really fear anything,Kovy looked really sure and determined to be a lifer and Lou will get this contract done by any means necessary.I think he sick of anti-Devils rules. They could had just changed the rules if they feel its so bad but noooo lets wait for the Devils to sign K-17 and reject the contract.fvck them,Lou is going to fvck you Bettman. Lets go Lou oh and where is that petition to fire Bettman ??? Imaa sign it 10 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin226 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Great job, and approprite! As soon as I heard the news I realized this clip was perfect for everyone who has been on this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartysGlove Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Anyone think the court hearings will be open to the public!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin226 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Exactly what rule are we breaking? Stealing the spotlight from Ovechkin/Crosby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelastonealive Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Exactly what rule are we breaking? The rule barring superstar players from playing in the boring New Jersey Devils trapping system. It's an obscure rule made in the late 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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