squishyx Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11027568 One in three... I think we are getting dumber as a nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Americans are exposed to a lot of misinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilish34 Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I read 1-5 somewhere but since Obama is the topic this fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share Posted August 19, 2010 I read 1-5 somewhere but since Obama is the topic this fits. How does this fit? Obama not putting his hand over his heart for the star spangled banner means he is a Muslim? News flash, 90% of the people who goto Devils games don't put their hand over their hearts, I doubt you would connect them as Muslims. Or is this just a irrelevant jab at his patriotism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Poster Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 How does this fit? Obama not putting his hand over his heart for the star spangled banner means he is a Muslim? News flash, 90% of the people who goto Devils games don't put their hand over their hearts, I doubt you would connect them as Muslims. Or is this just a irrelevant jab at his patriotism? Liberal apologists are funny peoples. Way to go as usual defending Barry at all turns, comparing him to fans at a hockey game. Unfortunately, he is the President of the United States. It's his duty to place his hand over his heart to pay repsect to the country he hold office in even if he's the only one on the planet doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 I guess you could say that he is technically a Muslim since his father was, and under hard core doctrine, once you're in, you can't get out. But I don't think that's what a vast majority of the respondents who answered yes had in mind. Keep in mind that probably a greater percentage of Americans think 9/11 was an inside job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegame346 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I guess you could say that he is technically a Muslim since his father was, and under hard core doctrine, once you're in, you can't get out. But I don't think that's what a vast majority of the respondents who answered yes had in mind. Keep in mind that probably a greater percentage of Americans think 9/11 was an inside job. Wait what? Technically a Muslim because his father was? LOL! Religious faith is not genetic. It is a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Wait what? Technically a Muslim because his father was? LOL! Religious faith is not genetic. It is a choice. As a fundamentalist Muslims see it, if your father was a Muslim, you're a Muslim whether you choose it for yourself or not. This article describes it more clearly. My link In any event, I would have answered the question unequivocally, he's not a Muslim, even if it really mattered, which it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegame346 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I can't wait for the day we have a president with no religious affiliation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted August 20, 2010 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 Liberal apologists are funny peoples. Way to go as usual defending Barry at all turns, comparing him to fans at a hockey game. Unfortunately, he is the President of the United States. It's his duty to place his hand over his heart to pay repsect to the country he hold office in even if he's the only one on the planet doing so. Apologist my ass. I thought it was rude of him not to do it just like I think its rude when a vast majority of people at every sporting event fail to do so as well. But it's obviously not on topic unless he (or maybe you since you chimed in) somehow thinks not putting your hand over your heart makes you a Muslim. Obama haters are funny people, looking for any excuse to fling sh!t at the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Poster Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) Apologist my ass. I thought it was rude of him not to do it just like I think its rude when a vast majority of people at every sporting event fail to do so as well. But it's obviously not on topic unless he (or maybe you since you chimed in) somehow thinks not putting your hand over your heart makes you a Muslim. We're not talking about muslims, fans, you or me. We're talking about the President and IMO, it's his duty to lead by example and that is by putting his hand over his heart even if no one else does. Obama haters are funny people, looking for any excuse to fling sh!t at the wall. It's because this community organizer/junior senator is a fvcking fraud. Edited August 20, 2010 by SJP20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegame346 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Apologist my ass. I thought it was rude of him not to do it just like I think its rude when a vast majority of people at every sporting event fail to do so as well. But it's obviously not on topic unless he (or maybe you since you chimed in) somehow thinks not putting your hand over your heart makes you a Muslim. Obama haters are funny people, looking for any excuse to fling sh!t at the wall. Couldn't agree more. The President of the United States should be setting the example and pay respect to the flag of the USA. It represents the people who voted him into office and to not respect it is to not respect the American people. That however does not make him a Muslim... it just makes him an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted August 20, 2010 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 We're not talking about muslims, fans, you or me. We're talking about the President and IMO, it's his duty to lead by example and that is by putting his hand over his heart even if no one else does. It's my fvcking thread I think I know what we are supposed to be talking about. Read the damn title. His post is off topic, if you two want to have a circle jerk about how unpatriotic you think Obama is feel free to make your own or take it up in PM's hell actually I don't even care if you do it here but I'm certainly well within my rights for calling him (or you) out for being blatantly off topic and trolling. It's because this community organizer/junior senator is a fvcking fraud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overtime98 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 take away religion and the world has less problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted August 20, 2010 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 take away religion and the world has less problems. Eh, we'll just fight about other things. I think what we really need is to find extraterrestrial life; I think then we would unite more as a world. Seems like we always need an enemy though, no getting around that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilish34 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 How does this fit? Obama not putting his hand over his heart for the star spangled banner means he is a Muslim? News flash, 90% of the people who goto Devils games don't put their hand over their hearts, I doubt you would connect them as Muslims. Or is this just a irrelevant jab at his patriotism? No it was a Squishy defend Obama test, but shouldn't he put his hand over his heart for the national anthem ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 pshaw -- it would just be something else. But you'd have a little more honesty I bet. When you have no moral leg to stand on you invent one. And as in advertising always stress your weakest point - that's why dogmatic religion's strongest claims are morality, compassion, & harmony. *****SIDEBAR YOU MAY ALL IGNORE!***** I think that's why I'm so into Society of friends now - the main tenant is honesty. You can say Quakers are into non-violence - but if you feel in a particular situation it's acceptable - you could go to war. Lincoln secty of War was a Friend. You can say stewardship of the earth is the main thing - but you see how Quakers were the Whaling industry. I think first and foremost it's about honest dealings. No oaths should ever be necessary because all statements must be true to be a decent effective person. you take no oath to any God or Country or person - if I tell my husband I love him no peice of paper or any amount of promising will change that one way or the other. There are no specific marriages in the Society of Friends... and there is no Mission to bring followers in. I am thinking about this because I was working at the Quaker tent at an Ag fair in PA yesterday and a young girl asked one of our longstanding members what Quakerism is all about. He was so unhelpful -- and it was SO Quaker of him. Just stating a few facts - not clearing up any misconceptions - maybe the misconception is there for a reason and a person has to find out for themselves. Speaking of misconceptions - I'm particularly grateful to be here in PA - some of the mid-west friends are so programmed - Friends have unprogrammed worship (yeah - you sit in silence for an hour) - and man if you program it it loses it's meaning, in my opinion. But wat do I know? Did you ever sit in Church and hear one really cool prayer, lesson, statement in a sermon and just think "DUDE! Shut up - you said something cool and I have to think about it!!" Always drives me nuts in the Episcopal church. In quaker meeting I get to think about favorite parts of the Episcopal service even. I confess though - right now I am massively into just smelling the old wood of the meeting house and looking out the windows at the trees and listening to the birds, dogs barking in the distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 No it was a Squishy defend Obama test, but shouldn't he put his hand over his heart for the national anthem ? I love putting my hand over my heart - not so much as an oath to the flag or the country -- but I really love the unity and community it stands for - I guess it's really the historical significance I like so much. For me it's like saying Thank you so much too all who formed and built this country. I can totally understand how the President could forget. His life - every waking moment is the country so he can so easily for get exactly WHAT that is. It's like taking your wife for granted -- slap that man upside his head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted August 20, 2010 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 No it was a Squishy defend Obama test, but shouldn't he put his hand over his heart for the national anthem ? Yes as I said before he absolutely should have and it was dumb, rude, inconsiderate not too. I feel this way despite the fact even though he wasn't president at the time because I think it's disrespectful for anyone, president, candidate, or just a regular American to opt out of such a simple sign of respect. The connotation that I find far more disturbing is that somehow not putting your hand over your heart makes you a Muslim or even worse that Muslim's aren't patriotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diablo Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I can totally understand how the President could forget. His life - every waking moment is the country so he can so easily for get exactly WHAT that is. It's like taking your wife for granted -- slap that man upside his head! I cant and wont give him a pass since he is so adamant to comply with other nations' customs such as his ridiculous bowing to any world leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Liberal apologists are funny peoples. Way to go as usual defending Barry at all turns, comparing him to fans at a hockey game. Unfortunately, he is the President of the United States. It's his duty to place his hand over his heart to pay repsect to the country he hold office in even if he's the only one on the planet doing so. LOL. Talk about something out of nothing. Nice reach. Apologist my ass. I thought it was rude of him not to do it just like I think its rude when a vast majority of people at every sporting event fail to do so as well. But it's obviously not on topic unless he (or maybe you since you chimed in) somehow thinks not putting your hand over your heart makes you a Muslim. Obama haters are funny people, looking for any excuse to fling sh!t at the wall. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Poster Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 LOL. Talk about something out of nothing. Nice reach. +1 Liberal apologists is funny peoples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice dog Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) . I can't wait for the day we have a president with no religious affiliation i agree. have a hunch he's (obama) probably an atheist; to get elected he would have had to pretend to be religious. Edited August 20, 2010 by ice dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilish34 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) I cant and wont give him a pass since he is so adamant to comply with other nations' customs such as his ridiculous bowing to any world leader. ^This OT Has Obama already taken more vacations and gone golfing more than Bush? Edited August 20, 2010 by Devilish34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegame346 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 I cant and wont give him a pass since he is so adamant to comply with other nations' customs such as his ridiculous bowing to any world leader. Excellent point. How many times has he bowed to middle eastern dictators opressors rulers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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