DaneykoIsGod Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Again, he has admitted he could have handled some things better...it's not like he's been oblivious to that fact. He definitely has admitted as much, and done so on a couple of occasions. He also keeps following it up with qualifiers like "I get painted as the bad guy." If you handled things poorly, then you are the bad guy. You did the painting. If you don't like how it looks, you have no one to blame but yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Of course, this is all speculation, but it keeps me entertained. I hear that, brothuh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I was never a huge fans of Langs(I'm not saying I disliked him, but there are always players you tend to like more then others and he wasn't one) but I don't think I go overboard with the hate now either. I didn't like him as the choice of the captain because he got too emotional with the refs and they are human and it never helps by yelling at them. look at the year Ftorek was behind the bench, the team never got the benefit of doubt because the coach was emotional and in turn the players got emotional with the refs. I thought that would happen with langs. when ZZ pops was happening I thought I was wrong because he played well, which in turn the team played well and everything was fine. Once langs was taken off of that line last year, he never fit in quite right anywhere. I thought much of the musical lines last year was to find a spot for langs to get him going despite him just not looking as good as he had in the past(probably nagging injuries, not dogging it as others may claim). IMO he deserved to be sat (a game here or there) earlier then just the last game when Lemaier finally did sit him to rest(as he did a few other older players that last week). He didn't handle it like a captain should. The can't get up for the playoffs (or whatever the exact quote was) really left a bad taste in my mouth. Again, speculation about personal problems was out there, and he couldn't keep the off the ice stuff and off the ice. It affected his play. Like his play was affected this year by being asked to waive the nmc in training camp(why he didn't think it would effect him is beyond me, he is very emotional). once he was moved, it cleared a spot for Rolston(who has seen more wrath towards him from this board then Langs had) to get ice time with skilled players and even on the kill to get his game going. It's not that langs was a locker room cancer, it's just that all of the pieces of the team fit better with him gone, or having to worry how he would react if he was put on the fourth line or got less mins(he threw a hissy fit for being rested a game when other were rested, if you believe trembley he threw the fit about not wanting to take a penalty shot because he didn't see ice time in ot) One other thing that got under my skin. When the Devils were faultering last year, it took Jaques to call the players only meeting. Langs should have had a better feel for the team and should be calling those types of meeting himself. When the going is good, he is a capable(that's not fair enough, good, not quite great) captain. When things aren't going his way, not so much. Just like Tom in the godfather, just not a good wartime Consigliore. Thats my take at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilinLA Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 You may be right, but I also think it's fair to say his stats were inflated by playing with Parise and Zajac. Even Mike Rupp scores goals when he plays with Crosby, but that doesn't make him a goal scorer. Using the start of the 2006-07 season as the cutoff point, Langs averaged .57 PPG as a Star and as a pre-ZZPops Devil and .72 PPG post-ZZPops. Maybe saying he's somewhere between a second- and third-liner is more fair, but he's no first-liner and that's the role he was thrust into. Sure, he put up numbers, but the added ice time also amplified his mistakes ... the WTF, Rolstonian turnovers begat the untimely penalties begat the incessant whining to the ref begat a reputation inflated beyond what it would have been had he played on a lower line where he belonged. Of course, this is all speculation, but it keeps me entertained. So far this is the only hard fact in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 He definitely has admitted as much, and done so on a couple of occasions. He also keeps following it up with qualifiers like "I get painted as the bad guy." If you handled things poorly, then you are the bad guy. You did the painting. If you don't like how it looks, you have no one to blame but yourself. Yep -- the qualifiers -- most famous being "I'm sooo sorry.... BUT " then they proceed to blow any surplus they may have had in the accountability column. We all do it -- but it's chronic for Langenbrunner it seems. It's a sickness. "I take full responsibility. BUT... " oh just stop talking.... So far this is the only hard fact in this thread. to be applied to ALL posts equally, including your own, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Fan Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 He is a curse now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I think the qualifiers are what really drove me crazy. Elias has said worse, but at least he has the balls to say exactly how he feels. Then there are guys like Kovy who is compulsively positive, even when it's unrealistic, or Martin, who never said anything, even as we speculated. In the end, Jamie couldn't commit to either side and came off as whiny and weak, at least at the end. I still think he did a great job as captain when Marty went down, and that was one of the few times he was confident, saying right afterward "you guys said Marty was the whole team, I guess it's time to see if that's true" or something like that, then leading the charge, but he never really recaptured that later on in his tenure. Of course, none of this would matter if he wasn't captain, but he was, and, whether or not it was fair to make him captain, he's held to higher standards and should be, and he failed to live up to those standards throughout his final year in that role. Like I said earlier, I loved him, and I don't feel like I got duped, but he's also done a lot to turn people against him. I certainly don't feel the way I used to, and that's not because of some desire to scapegoat anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarDew Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 The funny thing is, I've never been a Langen-lover...if I take a purely forensic approach to what he did here, I'd say he produced very well for the amount of money he was paid...at times he was as good a value as you could find. Like you said, there were highs and lows for sure, and overall I'd say he performed to about the maximum of his abilities. He wasn't a star. The quotes you listed showed that he was definitely not a perfect player, and I never thought he was. It's the over-the-top hatred and cancerous bitch nonsense that I thought was getting to be ridiculous. What did you expect from a bunch of children? This thread is not atypical. It is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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