brickwall30 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) So I wanted to start this to gauge the opinions of everyone here on both what they think the Devils SHOULD do and what they are GOING to do before the deadline on Tuesday. Personally I think regardless of how our next two games go that we should trade Arnott for pick(s) and/or prospect(s). Arnott has not only mentioned publically many times that he wants to garentee himself a spot in this years playoffs, which I don't mind really or rather don't blame him for, but also it does us no good for the future if we miss the playoffs and have Arnott floating around on our 3rd line being disinterested. I actually also think that is what Lou may be thinking or leaning towards as well based on some of his comments including why we brought back up Josefson saying, "he gives us flexability". I think he was refering not only to the depth and security he would add to the lineup immediatly, but also refering to the ability to trade Arnott and have a Josefson who got a few games at wing under Lemaires watchful eye to make sure they and he would be comfortable with that option. Chico even mentioned during Josefson's first game that Lou said he as confortable with JJ defensively. After that game he even got Lemaire's approval: "you can see that he’s got good skills, moves the puck well, has got a good mind for the game. So, I was pleased." Thinking about how that line would set up should the trade go down only serves to make me even more excited, especially once Parise gets back. Now: Zharkov-Josefson-Tedenby w/ Zach: Parise-Josefson-Tedenby The later looks like a really dangerous line, and with how often Lemaire benches Teddy for Kovie it will be like every once in a while we get a bonus 1st line showing up. It also gives Zach a high talent line to join that he can still ease back into the lineup on because it will still be the 3rd line. I feel our forward lines could easily be the envy of the league late in games Being able to roll 3 lines like this: Kovalchuk-Zajac-Palmieri Rolston-Elias-Zubrus Parise-Josefson-Kovalchuk Edited February 25, 2011 by brickwall30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 *Monday at 3PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickwall30 Posted February 25, 2011 Author Share Posted February 25, 2011 *Monday at 3PM Just went ahead and changed the whole title to focus more on what I was trying to discuss and added in a poll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 If we win the next two games, keep him. If we lose both, don't. Somewhere in between, I'll decide later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 The question is not whether to trade him or not. It's: he will be traded if the right deal is offered or if he asks to leave. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Honestly, i dont think it matters to keep him or trade him. I say keep him and try to get that third line rolling but if we trade him i could see josefson centering tedenby and clarkson and have pelley zharkov and mair/sestito be the 4th line. No big deal in my opinion Even though Jason only has 8pts in the last 34gms I still think he can help this team try and hopefully make the playoffs. if we only had parise... Kovy-Zajac-Palms Rolston-Elias-Zubrus Parise-Arnott-Tedenby Josefson/Sesito/Mair-Pelley-Clarkson ...sigh Edited February 25, 2011 by Zubie#8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 He has become less effective as the season has gone on IMO. If there is a decent offer there, take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanity_gallops Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 He has become less effective as the season has gone on IMO. If there is a decent offer there, take it. *ding ding ding* we have a winner. The biggest Arnott highlight of the last few months? Diving to clear the puck to help secure the 1-0 win against the Rangers at the Prudential Center. And as much as I liked seeing him have that passion to try to win the game, I realized that very same action could have been done by Adam Mair. I know he provides offensive presence and can still cycle the puck somewhat, but look at it this way: he's not being used on the PP anymore (remember all the talk of the importance of his shot from the point?), certainly not on the PK, he's lost about 5 steps to his skating, and his line is essentially the 4th line now. The only risk I see in trading Arnott is that if the Devils should suffer a top-6 injury, Arnott could theoretically help fill that void. Trade him away, and it's Clarkson's ice time, or Zharkov's... not quite the same. If the Devils can get even a similar return to what they received for Langenbrunner, I think they take it. If it's better than that - a 2nd rounder, a decent prospect - I think the Devils most definitely pull the trigger. I believe it was Wysh who said on NHL Live yesterday that Arnott is now "a player in name only." That's a pretty decent description of him at this point, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I hope he stays and we bring him back next year. We are not going to get anything major for him so I don't see the point in doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 He clearly wants to go. Not only mentioned it now, but also a few months ago. I'm not sure if we can get much for him, especially with his game declining recently, but he's a center and who knows, some team might come up with a decent offer on the deadline day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I hope he stays and we bring him back next year. We are not going to get anything major for him so I don't see the point in doing it. could i ask why you want him back next year? he is doing nothing out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 could i ask why you want him back next year? he is doing nothing out there. Listen bud Maybe according to your "sabremetrics" charts/graphs/calculations he is "doing nothing out there". However, I find all of that crap that you love so much completely USELESS. Sorry, I just don't care about it. You can't measure heart, drive, motivation etc with numbers. He is an experienced vet with experience who can be a positive influence on the younger players. There is more to the game than just numbers and stats. There are intangibles which Arnie certainly possesses, otherwise teams would NOT be inquiring about getting him at the deadline. So yes, I would like him to come back next year and continue to "do nothing out there". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormJosh Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Listen bud Maybe according to your "sabremetrics" charts/graphs/calculations he is "doing nothing out there". However, I find all of that crap that you love so much completely USELESS. Sorry, I just don't care about it. You can't measure heart, drive, motivation etc with numbers. He is an experienced vet with experience who can be a positive influence on the younger players. There is more to the game than just numbers and stats. There are intangibles which Arnie certainly possesses, otherwise teams would NOT be inquiring about getting him at the deadline. So yes, I would like him to come back next year and continue to "do nothing out there". I'm completely on board with using sabremetrics to evaluate players. However, I'm with you on wanting to keep Arnott. Suddenly, I'm not ready to give up on this season. Arnott provides depth which is very difficult to come across this time of year. If we have an injury to Zajac or Zubrus we're going to be very happy we have another veteran center. I would be really averse to using a rookie center (Josefson who has yet to show he is ready for the NHL) or Rod Pelley in our top-2 lines. Arnott hasn't exactly been put in a wonderful position to succeed either. He's usually lined up with Vladimir "Call me Pandolfo" Zharkov and Tedenby (who is going to be awesome but isn't yet). He does get the occasional shift with Kovalchuk and I'd love to see him do more with it, but I'm not willing to write him off. Anyway, I really appreciate having Arnott as the 3rd center. He is a very responsible, experienced player. If he wants to leave, of course let him, but otherwise I'd prefer Lou didn't force the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Listen bud Maybe according to your "sabremetrics" charts/graphs/calculations he is "doing nothing out there". However, I find all of that crap that you love so much completely USELESS. Sorry, I just don't care about it. You can't measure heart, drive, motivation etc with numbers. He is an experienced vet with experience who can be a positive influence on the younger players. There is more to the game than just numbers and stats. There are intangibles which Arnie certainly possesses, otherwise teams would NOT be inquiring about getting him at the deadline. So yes, I would like him to come back next year and continue to "do nothing out there". it's funny; the numbers like arnott more than my eyes do. my eyes see a guy drifting around out there skating at half-speed and waiting for his number to be called so he can go elsewhere. calling arnott a pinnacle of heart, motivation, and drive is rather humorous too, that has been the knock on him for his entire career, and it's what got him booted from NJ the first time. storm: meh. move zubrus over to center if that happens. i'm really not concerned about it. Edited February 25, 2011 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) double post Edited February 25, 2011 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 it's funny; the numbers like arnott more than my eyes do. my eyes see a guy drifting around out there skating at half-speed and waiting for his number to be called so he can go elsewhere. calling arnott a pinnacle of heart, motivation, and drive is rather humorous too, that has been the knock on him for his entire career, and it's what got him booted from NJ the first time. storm: meh. move zubrus over to center if that happens. i'm really not concerned about it. I never called him a "pinnacle" of those things, but he has displayed it at points in his career. If you don't think he will be fired up if we make it into the playoffs you are nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 It's so true Tri. And what is anyone seeing out there that looks like a lot of "heart" and "drive". He is the one player on this team during the stretch that has no bump in level of play. He still looks like he has no interest in being here. And even his quotes say so. Honestly, I would expect a player to say something along the lines of "well what we've done over the last 18-20 games is really special, and after everything we've been through together,I want to stay with these guys and keep fighting." Instead, it seems like he's hired a stats expert to give him a breakdown of their playoff chances. It's kind of funny. I kind of want him around because if the Devils are to do the impossible, they might need a Jason Arnott to step up. When he is engaged, he has the ability to bring a lot to the table. But at the same time, he has showed nothing out there, which is pretty disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Arnott has to be moved. He's not coming back. And his role is reduced with Zajac and Elias performing well as the top 2 centers. Give the guy a serious shot at the Cup. I think there's a good chance Greene may stay as I don't think any of us want to see Fraser regularly, but if a good offer is presented, he should be moved. It's looking harder and harder to fit Greene in under the Cap next year and it's looking like he's testing FA. Clarkson outside of the Lightning game that started the streak has done absolutely nothing and his minutes have been getting less and less. He needs to be moved, especially with his ridiculous salary. The team's current streak is a combination of a turn of the pendulum with luck, a commitment to a system and disciplined play, as well as a hot stretch by several of our top forwards. All this stuff about chemistry and letting the guys stick together to make the playoffs is nonsense. The Devils with one of the best streaks in hockey are still in 13th place as of today. I'm loving the winning, but I'm also realistic. My guess is that Lemaire also has Lou's ear in terms of what's helping this team win and who should stay going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 disinterested and lethargic looking, and all for $4.5 mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I'd only trade Arnott for one of these even or better returns we've been seeing with other teams. I'm talking like Arnott and a 3rd or 4th for Liles or something like that. I'd also take Arnott for Madden just cuz I like Madden almost as much as Arnott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormJosh Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 storm: meh. move zubrus over to center if that happens. i'm really not concerned about it. Yeah but thats my point exactly, what happens if Zubrus gets injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilNurn Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Yeah but thats my point exactly, what happens if Zubrus gets injured. Well he's playing RW right now so I don't see what the problem would be...and if you're saying we need to prepare for if both our centers AND our backup centers are injured, then you're just more cautious than the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 *ding ding ding* we have a winner. The biggest Arnott highlight of the last few months? Diving to clear the puck to help secure the 1-0 win against the Rangers at the Prudential Center. And as much as I liked seeing him have that passion to try to win the game, I realized that very same action could have been done by Adam Mair. I know he provides offensive presence and can still cycle the puck somewhat, but look at it this way: he's not being used on the PP anymore (remember all the talk of the importance of his shot from the point?), certainly not on the PK, he's lost about 5 steps to his skating, and his line is essentially the 4th line now. The only risk I see in trading Arnott is that if the Devils should suffer a top-6 injury, Arnott could theoretically help fill that void. Trade him away, and it's Clarkson's ice time, or Zharkov's... not quite the same. If the Devils can get even a similar return to what they received for Langenbrunner, I think they take it. If it's better than that - a 2nd rounder, a decent prospect - I think the Devils most definitely pull the trigger. I believe it was Wysh who said on NHL Live yesterday that Arnott is now "a player in name only." That's a pretty decent description of him at this point, in my opinion. Part of me wonders why anyone woudl want him right now too. and what's a good offer? I'd do it in a heartbeat.... for... well honestly a second rounder. I think that's kind of too optimistic though. It's no loss if he stays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormJosh Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Well he's playing RW right now so I don't see what the problem would be...and if you're saying we need to prepare for if both our centers AND our backup centers are injured, then you're just more cautious than the rest of us. Haha ok, I'll take a second and go further. We really have 4 Centers on the team. Zajac, Zubrus, Elias, Arnott, Pelley, Josefson. Pelley is not an answer to anything and Josefson isn't ready. If Zajac or Elias go down we'll be very glad to have Arnott to slot into their position. I'm sure at some point when Lemaire finally decides to switch up the lines we'll be glad to have Arnott as a backup for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I am not surprised that most people here want to see him shipped. NJDevs is the quintessential "what have you done for me lately" crew.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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