Triumph Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) You are probably right. I was curious to see your thoughts on the goaltending situation next year. I know you have advocated for a Ty Conklin, Type "1b" goalie to split with Brodeur. But I'm curious as to what you think Lou will do about the goalie situation going forward. I know I'm not a big Frazee fan, so it seems to me Lou may want to look around for a young goalie somewhere. I don't really care about the age of next year's goalie, as long as he's not likely on the downside of his career. Young goaltending is nice, but the problem is that goalies tend to peak after the current UFA age. And you look around the league at the more successful teams this year, Detroit, San Jose, Chicago, Tampa, Philadelphia - they're not paying a lot for goaltending, and they're willing to cut bait with 'successful' ones if they get too pricey. It's the strategy the Devils have to pursue, but I worry they won't. Edited February 26, 2011 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I don't really care about the age of next year's goalie, as long as he's not likely on the downside of his career. Young goaltending is nice, but the problem is that goalies tend to peak after the current UFA age. And you look around the league at the more successful teams this year, Detroit, San Jose, Chicago, Tampa, Philadelphia - they're not paying a lot for goaltending, and they're willing to cut bait with 'successful' ones if they get too pricey. It's the strategy the Devils have to pursue, but I worry they won't. Pretty much agree. And the market has become saturated with goalies in many respects. A lot of teams play a style of hockey and various systems that tend to limit a goalie's overall value or influence. The game has changed from the Roy/Brodeur/Hasek era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Arnott will/should be shipped out today, tomorrow or monday. he's been invisible minus the diving play vs the rangers and then last night when the 25 mentions of him were because of a possible trade. Keep Moose for one more year. He can shoulder the load and play well for us if/when marty gets hurt again and under a system that isn't MacLean's, he has proven to be very successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Arnott will/should be shipped out today, tomorrow or monday. he's been invisible minus the diving play vs the rangers and then last night when the 25 mentions of him were because of a possible trade. Keep Moose for one more year. He can shoulder the load and play well for us if/when marty gets hurt again and under a system that isn't MacLean's, he has proven to be very successful. Arnott has been slumping the past few weeks. I also don't think he's been thrilled being put on the 3rd line with two rookies. But there was no alternative with Zajac and Elias as the top 2 Centers and having to keep that chemistry together with Zajac/Kovy and of course on the Elias/Zubrus/Rolston line. I think Arnott would fit in very nicely on the Caps and probably play well with the talent they have at wing. At this point, I think we are probably looking at a return similar to what Eric Brewer brought back, probably a 3rd and maybe a mid-level prospect. I don't think it's smart going into next season with a tandem of 38 and 39 yr old goalies. Also, I can't see the Devils having an easy time of fitting Hedberg back in unless you clear salary somewhere else (Salvador retirement/Clarkson trade). I'm not sure he's going to come back at a steep discount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) Arnott is as good as gone. Hedberg is just a stop gap back up who had a pretty good run so perhaps they could get a 6/7th rounder or a decent organizational player for him. Greene has value and I think thats an avenue Lou should explore. If any team wants Clarkson's contract you gotta make that move. There's no point to moving Hedberg if that's all you're going to get back for him (I don't think it would be at this point). Who cares about a 6th or 7th rounder in a weak draft? Now, if someone wants to offer a Roloson to the Oilers-type deal - i.e. a first-rounder - then c'est la vie but otherwise you might as well keep him unless the object of dumping him is to ensure we finish as low as possible for the draft pick, which Lou won't do. Might as well trade Arnott anyway since he hasn't really contributed a lot lately (he had nine goals in early December I think and only has 13 now). Greene to me is the tricky one, it's probably better than 50-50 he isn't re-signed and if you could get at least a second-rounder for him, particularly with our lack of a second-rounder currently, it has to be explored but if we're back to nine points out by Monday - still very feasible - do you wave the white flag? He is important to the team, if nothing else to keep Mark Fraser off the ice. Edited February 26, 2011 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 There's no point to moving Hedberg if that's all you're going to get back for him (I don't think it would be at this point). Who cares about a 6th or 7th rounder in a weak draft? Now, if someone wants to offer a Roloson to the Oilers-type deal - i.e. a first-rounder - then c'est la vie but otherwise you might as well keep him unless the object of dumping him is to ensure we finish as low as possible for the draft pick, which Lou won't do. Might as well trade Arnott anyway since he hasn't really contributed a lot lately (he had nine goals in early December I think and only has 13 now). Greene to me is the tricky one, it's probably better than 50-50 he isn't re-signed and if you could get at least a second-rounder for him, particularly with our lack of a second-rounder currently, it has to be explored but if we're back to nine points out by Monday - still very feasible - do you wave the white flag? He is important to the team, if nothing else to keep Mark Fraser off the ice. Greene has played better since Lemaire has come back and looked pretty good, but he's actually lost some minutes with the Fayne and Tallinder pairing playing like they've been and White and Volchenkov still seeing steady minutes. I think Greene is expendable in the right move where you get good value in return, especially considering the mitigating circumstances, ie, he's a UFA, the cap flexibility issue for next year. I would not move Greene for just a 3rd or a fringe prospect. I'd want a 2nd at least or a good prospect in return. If Chris Phillips re-ups in Ottawa, a guy like Greene may get more interest, considering some of the guys being bandied about like Liles (cap hit and terrible defense), Wideman (defensive liability, but good PP guy), McCabe (old and terrible defense), Smid (meh) all have their significant warts. Greene may not be a guy that is a stud offensively or a guy who is stout defensively or physical in that sense, but he'd be a steady addition for a lot of playoff teams. I've heard the Caps are looking at adding a defenseman as much as a possible C. I wonder if an Arnott/Greene package would interest them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmajeski06 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 (edited) Good as gone: Ledger_NJDevils Rich Chere Jason Arnott on the possibility of playing his last game for Devils: "I've thought about it. It will be disappointing but part of the game." Ledger_NJDevils Rich Chere Arnott said he hasn't spoken to Lou Lamoriello yet. I asked if the loss in Tampa helped make up his own mind. "Maybe a little bit." Ledger_NJDevils Rich Chere Arnott: "Seven points away would've been a lolt better than 11. It's a longshot being 11 points out at this time. It'll be a tough decision. Edited February 26, 2011 by mmajeski06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sokar Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Rob Schremp is on waivers, should the devils pick him up when the devils trade Arnott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Rob Schremp is on waivers, should the devils pick him up when the devils trade Arnott I always thought Schremp has potential, id pick him up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95Crash Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 There are 2 issues at play here. If Arnie wants out, move him. If you can get a decent return for him, move him. To me, it's as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I'd definitely move Greene. This is a guy who was/is making peanuts the last two years. If I'm Andy, I take the most money I can this off-season from whatever team. Devils can't pay him anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Wow, it sounds like he's really got a foot out the door. If he's not behind this playoff push 200%, I don't want him eating minutes. What playoff push? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 bahhhhh at this point lets trade him... lets try to build a bright future instead of gambling with such weird season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilMinder Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Well, hes talking to Lou right now. I just wonder if everyone hasn't already pulled the trigger on what they wanted already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Well, hes talking to Lou right now. I just wonder if everyone hasn't already pulled the trigger on what they wanted already. I doubt it, I'm sure there are still some takers out there. I suspect there'll still be a flurry of trades tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilMinder Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Ledger_NJDevils Rich Chere If right team wants Devils' Jason Arnott, he's ready to go http://bit.ly/eYsDCT #njdevils #devils 5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply » Tom Gulitti TGfireandice Tom Gulitti Fire and Ice blog post: Arnott wants to see what teams are interested before deciding if he'll waive NMC: http://bit.ly/gUZhJ3 Guess Arnott wants out (to a good team) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn01 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Good riddance. Go somewhere else then if you want out so badly. We dont need you here anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatansDevils Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Devils lose Arnott they become once again small and lacking that big centerman they have been missing since he was traded the first time. I don't want to see Arnott going anywhere. Devils will be short at the center position again which they don't need for the last 20-games trying to make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilMinder Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Arnott is the lead story on Yahoo's NHL site http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl Mentions Greene, and Moose as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Devils lose Arnott they become once again small and lacking that big centerman they have been missing since he was traded the first time. I don't want to see Arnott going anywhere. Devils will be short at the center position again which they don't need for the last 20-games trying to make the playoffs. We are in 13th place. Even beating Florida today we are still behind them by a point. Let that SINK in. We are behind the Florida Panthers still. We are not making the playoffs. People need to wrap their heads around that. I don't blame Arnott at all. If I was in his position I would leave for a contender without hesitation. Amazing how people can't understand that. Lou needs to shed guys that aren't vital towards a run the next few years and get some assets back that can help him be flexible this offseason and maybe next trading deadline. There's some rumors going around that Red Wings and San Jose may be interested in Hedberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefiestygoat Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 We are in 13th place. Even beating Florida today we are still behind them by a point. Let that SINK in. We are behind the Florida Panthers still. We are not making the playoffs. People need to wrap their heads around that. I don't blame Arnott at all. If I was in his position I would leave for a contender without hesitation. Amazing how people can't understand that. Lou needs to shed guys that aren't vital towards a run the next few years and get some assets back that can help him be flexible this offseason and maybe next trading deadline. There's some rumors going around that Red Wings and San Jose may be interested in Hedberg. I agree with everything you said. As a fan of course I am hoping they can pull off a miracle and get in and I won't stop cheering for them. However, if I am management I make any trade that improves this team for next year and beyond no matter how negatively it impacts this years team. I don't fault Arnott for wanting to get moved to a team that is a sure thing to make the playoffs. At this point in his career, his chances at another Cup are numbered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 not moving hedberg unless the devils get a 3rd round pick + a goalie back. arnott's being faulted for his honesty here, but i can't help but be a little annoyed at his attitude. it might have something to do with him being a perimeter player for the last 20 games though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I agree with everything you said. As a fan of course I am hoping they can pull off a miracle and get in and I won't stop cheering for them. However, if I am management I make any trade that improves this team for next year and beyond no matter how negatively it impacts this years team. I don't fault Arnott for wanting to get moved to a team that is a sure thing to make the playoffs. At this point in his career, his chances at another Cup are numbered. Precisely. None of the rumored guys to be moved like Arnott (age and UFA status, plus Josefson and Henrique in the wings), Clarkson (massively overpaid and mediocre to boot), Greene (UFA and uncertainty to fit in the CAP with Parise, or Hedberg (age, UFA status, salary, etc.) are part of the core or figure into the future really. And I love that the Devils are winning. But a lot of is because of discipline and understanding with a much more effective coach. People act like this group is going to be together for the next decade because of one solid winning streak and we can't break it up. Keep in mind this was the same bunch that was playing some of the worst hockey in league history the 1st 35 games and a number of these guys are getting up there in years. I want Arnott to have a chance at the Cup. And if we can give Andy Greene or even Hedberg a shot to hoist the Cup, then I can't fathom how Devils fans would want to prevent that from being a possibility for these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 not moving hedberg unless the devils get a 3rd round pick + a goalie back. arnott's being faulted for his honesty here, but i can't help but be a little annoyed at his attitude. it might have something to do with him being a perimeter player for the last 20 games though. I agree on Hedberg. A premium needs to be set there. As for Arnott, I'm not annoyed. He's taken a lesser role under Lemaire, which isn't surprising and kind of victim to the fact that Zajac and Elias pretty much demand and deserve the greater proportion. He hasn't quit on the team even if he looks like he lags towards the end of shift or in the defensive zone. As much as Zharkov and Tedenby may show a lot of hustle and people were going ga-ga over that, they are both still poor at recognizing and setting up opportunities, which contributes to some of Arnott's diminished production the past few weeks. I'd be stunned if Arnott wasn't a Canadien or Capital by tomorrow. Those two teams jump out at me. What also struck me was it sounds like Lou has a number of other moves he's considering, perhaps moves not necessarily of the selloff variety, but perhaps opportunistic to get guys who he controls for at least next year or beyond. Also sounds like there's a lot of interest in Andy Greene as well. We'll see what happens. I think tomorrow will be very busy despite all the action we have already had. The trade market will be very hot right through the summer with a weak FA crop out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 I want Arnott to have a chance at the Cup. And if we can give Andy Greene or even Hedberg a shot to hoist the Cup, then I can't fathom how Devils fans would want to prevent that from being a possibility for these guys. At least Arnott's won a Cup though, so on the one hand I'm not as into this notion of trading him to a contender to let him have a shot to win...on the other hand he really is expendable, streak or no streak. I mean he has four goals since early December, he's not exactly a key contributor anymore. If we can get a second round pick for him that should be the easiest choice both Lou and Arnott can make. It sounds like the only issue is what teams are actually asking about him, as Steve and Chico were saying on the postgame there really isn't a lot of 'sure' playoff teams in the West and only a few in the East. The other guys would be harder to trade cause that really would be waving the white flag, getting rid of Greene and putting another guy in who can't play or getting rid of Hedberg and having no safety valve for Brodeur getting hurt again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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