If the league had a 3-2-1-0 points system

[DaneykoIsGod]

I think I've done this for the past couple years now, and the trade deadline seems like an appropriate time to revisit it. What if the league had a 3-2-1-0 points system? That would be 3 points for a regulation win, 2 for an OT win, 1 for an OT loss and 0 for a regulation loss.

Current East Standings - W-L-OTL:

1) Philadelphia - 62 GP - 40-16-6 - 86 Points

2) Tampa Bay - 62 GP - 37-18-7 - 81 Points

3) Boston - 62 GP - 36-19-7 - 79 Points

4) Pittsburgh - 64 GP - 37-21-6 - 80 Points

5) Washington - 63 GP - 33-20-10 - 76 Points

6) Montreal - 63 GP - 33-23-7 - 73 Points

7) NY Rangers - 64 GP - 33-27-4 - 70 Points

8) Carolina - 63 GP - 29-25-9 - 67 Points

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9) Buffalo - 61 GP - 29-25-7 - 65 Points

10) Toronto - 63 GP - 27-27-9 - 63 Points

11) Atlanta - 63 GP - 26-26-11 - 63 Points

12) Florida - 62 GP - 26-29-7 - 59 Points

13) New Jersey - 62 GP - 27-31-4 - 58 Points

14) NY Islanders - 63 GP - 23-32-8 - 54 Points

15) Ottawa - 62 GP - 21-32-9 - 51 Points

Adjusted East Standings - W-OTW-OTL-L:

1) Philadelphia - 62 GP - 35-5-6-16 - 121 Points

2) Boston - 62 GP - 34-2-7-19 - 113 Points

3) Tampa Bay - 62 GP - 24-13-7-18 - 105 Points

4) Washington - 63 GP - 27-6-10-20 - 103 Points

5) Pittsburgh - 64 GP - 26-9-6-21 - 102 Points

6) Montreal - 63 GP - 28-5-7-23 - 101 Points

7) NY Rangers - 64 GP - 23-10-4-27 - 93 Points

8) Carolina - 63 GP - 21-8-9-25 - 88 Points

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9) Toronto - 63 GP - 22-5-9-27 - 85 Points

10) Buffalo - 61 GP - 17-12-7-25 - 82 Points

11) New Jersey - 62 GP - 22-5-4-31 - 80 Points

12) Atlanta - 63 GP - 16-10-11-26 - 79 Points

13) Florida - 62 GP - 17-9-7-29 - 76 Points

14) Ottawa - 62 GP - 20-1-9-32 - 71 Points

15) NY Islanders - 63 GP - 14-9-8-32 - 68 Points

Philadelphia remains on top. Boston leap-french Tampa Bay. Washington leap-french Pittsburgh. Montreal, the Rags and Carolina stay put. So this, as of now, doesn't affect which teams are or aren't in the playoffs.

Toronto leap-french Buffalo. New Jersey jumps Atlanta and Florida, who both move down one spot apiece. And Ottawa leap-french the Isles, putting the fishsticks in the basement.

If nothing else, I always find this to be interesting.

Edit: at the auto-correcting of the derogatory Frenchman term.

Edited February 28, 2011 by DaneykoIsGod

[mrthemike]

leap-frog, lol

Edited February 28, 2011 by mrthemike

[DevilMinder]

That was a bad issue one year, I forget why.

Nice recalculation DiG. That 3-2-1 debate hasn't really showed up lately

[CMONPETEYD]

I love french

[newarkdev01]

I have to admit it does seem logical...

[moustic]

I love being french.

[DaneykoIsGod]

I have to admit it does seem logical...

Especially in light of how much the 3-point games are burning us lately. Make all games worth 3 points and it all evens out.

And, just speculating here, I think it would make the home stretch more exciting. Teams would be going all out to win in regulation to get the full 3 points, rather than seeing so much playing for OT and the safe point.

[squishyx]

These things are always interesting however I think they should always come with the caveat that the current standings reflect teams knowingly playing in a 2-1-0 system. The adjusted standings do not reflect teams actually playing a full season in a 3-2-1-0.

Think of how our team might have played the last 20 games knowing that we could squeeze out an extra point for a regulation win, that extra gambling could have lead to more points (or less).

[DaneykoIsGod]

These things are always interesting however I think they should always come with the caveat that the current standings reflect teams knowingly playing in a 2-1-0 system. The adjusted standings do not reflect teams actually playing a full season in a 3-2-1-0.

Think of how our team might have played the last 20 games knowing that we could squeeze out an extra point for a regulation win, that extra gambling could have lead to more points (or less).

Very true, good point. That applies to the teams in front of us as well, fending off those behind them in the standings trying to make up ground with 3-point regulation wins.

[GoArmySports]

They actually featured an article in the NY Daily News about the Devils and this type of point distribution yesterday.

[theamazingtiny]

I was like "leap french...wtf"

[DaneykoIsGod]

They actually featured an article in the NY Daily News about the Devils and this type of point distribution yesterday.

Ah, you are correct sir! I hadn't seen that before.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/2011/02/26/2011-02-26_the_nhls_current_point_system_just_doesnt_add_up.html

It has always been ironic that one of the fastest-moving sports in the world is traditionally so slow when it comes to enacting change. In this case, however, the NHL has the wrong system in place because it ambitiously changed its rules with a shootout installation, then didn't bother to alter the standings to balance the equation.

In order to rectify all this, the league's GMs would have to approve during the offseason a three-point victory, and that is unlikely to happen anytime soon. Why? The current method of bookkeeping dulls the agony of defeat, and props up jobs.

If you look at the standings quickly, you think the Rangers are far above .500. That's because their overtime and shootout victories are counted as victories, but their overtime and shootout losses are not listed along with regulation defeats. Everybody is kept afloat in this way, not just Glen Sather. Records appear far more respectable than they are.

What they propose is slightly different from what I calculated. They give 3 points for regulation and overtime wins, 0 points for regulation and overtime losses, and split up the points 2 and 1 for shootout wins and losses, respectively. I'm too lazy to do it now, but maybe later today I'll recalculate to see how the standings would look under this system too.

[MartysGlove]

So we'd be 8 points behind Carolina instead of 9... in a system that makes it harder to gain points?

eh.. not a big difference.

[Joe B]

So we'd be 8 points behind Carolina instead of 9... in a system that makes it harder to gain points?

eh.. not a big difference.

with a game in hand that could be worth 3 instead of 2.

how would a 3-2-1-0 system be harder to gain points? all games would be worth 3 total points, not just the ot games.

It was bad enough they put the shootout in, but to do it and not do it right just continues to baffle me.

[DaneykoIsGod]

So we'd be 8 points behind Carolina instead of 9... in a system that makes it harder to gain points?

eh.. not a big difference.

Not sure I follow you ...

Current system: Would take -- best case scenario -- 5 wins (2 points * 5 wins = 10 points) to overcome a 9-point deficit.

3-2-1-0 systen: Would take -- best case scenario -- 3 wins (3 points * 3 wins = 9 points) to overcome an 8-point deficit.

That's a substantial difference.

[DaneykoIsGod]

OK, so I got bored enough to hammer out the standings with the Daily News's version of the 3-2-1-0 system, where regulation and OT wins and losses are worth 3 and 0 points, respectively, and shootout wins and losses are worth 2 and 1. For the sake of keeping everything together, I'll put everything in one post.

Current East Standings - W-L-OTL:

1) Philadelphia - 62 GP - 40-16-6 - 86 Points

2) Tampa Bay - 62 GP - 37-18-7 - 81 Points

3) Boston - 62 GP - 36-19-7 - 79 Points

4) Pittsburgh - 64 GP - 37-21-6 - 80 Points

5) Washington - 63 GP - 33-20-10 - 76 Points

6) Montreal - 63 GP - 33-23-7 - 73 Points

7) NY Rangers - 64 GP - 33-27-4 - 70 Points

8) Carolina - 63 GP - 29-25-9 - 67 Points

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9) Buffalo - 61 GP - 29-25-7 - 65 Points

10) Toronto - 63 GP - 27-27-9 - 63 Points

11) Atlanta - 63 GP - 26-26-11 - 63 Points

12) Florida - 62 GP - 26-29-7 - 59 Points

13) New Jersey - 62 GP - 27-31-4 - 58 Points

14) NY Islanders - 63 GP - 23-32-8 - 54 Points

15) Ottawa - 62 GP - 21-32-9 - 51 Points

Adjusted East Standings v1.0 - W-OTW-OTL-L:

1) Philadelphia - 62 GP - 35-5-6-16 - 121 Points

2) Boston - 62 GP - 34-2-7-19 - 113 Points

3) Tampa Bay - 62 GP - 24-13-7-18 - 105 Points

4) Washington - 63 GP - 27-6-10-20 - 103 Points

5) Pittsburgh - 64 GP - 26-9-6-21 - 102 Points

6) Montreal - 63 GP - 28-5-7-23 - 101 Points

7) NY Rangers - 64 GP - 23-10-4-27 - 93 Points

8) Carolina - 63 GP - 21-8-9-25 - 88 Points

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9) Toronto - 63 GP - 22-5-9-27 - 85 Points

10) Buffalo - 61 GP - 17-12-7-25 - 82 Points

11) New Jersey - 62 GP - 22-5-4-31 - 80 Points

12) Atlanta - 63 GP - 16-10-11-26 - 79 Points

13) Florida - 62 GP - 17-9-7-29 - 76 Points

14) Ottawa - 62 GP - 20-1-9-32 - 71 Points

15) NY Islanders - 63 GP - 14-9-8-32 - 68 Points

Adjusted East Standings v2.0 - W-SOW-SOL-L:

1) Philadelphia - 62 GP - 38-2-3-19 - 121 Points

2) Boston - 62 GP - 35-1-5-21 - 112 Points

3) Tampa Bay - 62 GP - 32-5-4-21 - 110 Points

4) Pittsburgh - 64 GP - 33-4-3-24 - 110 Points

5) Washington - 63 GP - 31-2-5-25 - 102 Points

6) Montreal - 63 GP - 21-2-3-27 - 100 Points

7) NY Rangers - 64 GP - 26-7-2-28 - 94 Points

8) Carolina - 63 GP - 24-5-5-29 - 87 Points

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9) Buffalo - 61 GP - 24-5-1-31 - 83 Points

10) Toronto - 63 GP - 23-4-5-31 - 82 Points

11) Atlanta - 63 GP - 23-3-7-30 - 82 Points

12) New Jersey - 62 GP - 25-2-1-34 - 81 Points

13) Florida - 62 GP - 22-4-4-32 - 78 Points

14) NY Islanders - 63 GP - 20-3-4-36 - 70 Points

15) Ottawa - 62 GP - 20-1-4-37 - 66 Points

There's a little less flip-flopping going on with the Daily News version, but there's still a bit of a difference.

[cubanjd305]

OK, so I got bored enough to hammer out the standings with the Daily News's version of the 3-2-1-0 system, where regulation and OT wins and losses are worth 3 and 0 points, respectively, and shootout wins and losses are worth 2 and 1. For the sake of keeping everything together, I'll put everything in one post.

There's a little less flip-flopping going on with the Daily News version, but there's still a bit of a difference.

I like the Daily news one....we're only 6 points away

[Devils Pride 26]

I agree, this is a great idea. The problem is the casual fans are rather stupid and it would be too complex for them to understand or taking an interest to.

[DaneykoIsGod]

I agree, this is a great idea. The problem is the casual fans are rather stupid and it would be too complex for them to understand or taking an interest to.

Yeah, hockey is really the only sport with more than just a wins & losses column (with the exception of the rare football tie). Making it go from three to four columns would look like a jumbled mess.

And there's the point the Daily News made. The current system makes GMs/coaches/everyone look better. The example they used was the Rangers. At quick glance, they look like a 33-27 team. At quick glace at either of the adjusted standings, they look like a below-.500 team (either 23-27 or 26-28, depending on which system you prefer). Good luck getting GMs to sign off on making that change.

Glen Sather's fragile ego, more or less, is standing in the way of a fairer points system.