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Sad news. Best wishes to Pat and his family. Hockey means so little compared to ones health and life.

Must put new fans in seats. New names do that.. The NHL needs all the help it can get. But the money for new players will be better in Europe. Milion or Millions vs $850,000 with NHL.

Hasan, the later of course. I know what you are saying. All I am saying is salaries aren't the only expense and that the lowering of them doesn't mean that all teams will become instantly profitable note the word instantly and that these same teams won't become fanchises worth tons of money instantly. Now define instantly in my opinion with the NHL that could be 2-3 years or more and it depends on fan reaction to the situation and what the team's presentation to the fans regarding ticket prices. Leaving ticket prices the same or lowering the ticket prices by 10% in certain sections isn't fan friendly in my opinion. The Isle I think left the season ticlket prices the same but added a penalty if not paid for by a certain time. That's not so fan friendly. That's all! I don't want to make a big case of this. It just seems to me that while the new CBA should help the teams financially there are other items of expense and revenue to factor in. That's all. Thanks for the input Hasan. Do you had a follow up question or a point based on my answer to your question? I hope I explained mine point. A lot depends on the product each team puts on the ice. How entertaining the product is and that's a subjective opinion by each fan independently.

Don, if revenue met expenses the profit would be zero. The franchise would be worth what? You had previously claimed that the franchise value would skyrocket because of the salary cap.. I thought you posted that. I am trying to point out that to be profitable the team needs more than salary cap to be profitable. Don, am I making my point? Triumph, are the players making more in Europe? I have followed salaries there. And is more compared to their old NHL salary before 24% cut? Thanks

Don, fans in the seats bring fan revenue to teams. All this talk about caps tied to revenue is great assuming the is significant revenue. It isn't only a reduction in players salaries that make a team profitable it's fan revenue that counts. You seem to assume that the fans will run back to the same level as before the lockout. I just don't think that going to happen even with a 10% reduction in ticket prices. By the way the Isles didn't reduce ticke prices did they and they added a premium Some team before the lockout were having problems with fan revenue because they couldn't fill the seats. This tumbles down to revenues from advertisers, TV and etc. You seem to be saying that Revenue less expenses equals profits and considering only salaries as expenses there are many more expenses that won't have a viable adjustment so the bottom line will be effected by other than salaries. No fans or few fans will make the business less profitable. No if you don't count game programs, popcorn, beer, food, clothing merchandise, advertising revenue, parking, and etc as revenue and all expenses associated with the game than we aren't on the same page.

It ain't over until the fat lady sings. Gambling is taking chance with the understanding that one could lose. This lockout will not be a win win for either side. Owners in the long run will lose big money. Their investments will not grow at same pace as before. I don't expect the same loyality from the players as before towards the NHL or teams. You might say they weren't loyal before then you're right and it will be worst after CBA.

Nice recovery Triumph. Happy 4th. I still contend that everyday that goes by without a signed agreement (you say completed agreement, I agree with that) and these leaks continue from the non-negotiating players about being unhappy and then they finally see the finished CBA they may just reject the entire proposal. While it takes time to grind this out I think it has been too long already. I get the feeling that to negotiate is good without a conclusion especially if some players want the process to go to a labor negotiator. We shall see soon I hope.

Thanks Jimmy that's exactly where I was coming from. Triumph just wants to pick a fight. Triumph happy 4th and to all the same.

This could be a problem and the players may vote to reject if they see it a bad as described. Everyday that goes by is bad for an agreement. Players have been leaking unrest with process and CBA.

I thought ticket prices wouldn't come down in NY area. I don't think the Devils will lower there ticket prices either but maybe no increase.

Let's wait until it's built first and maybe the Devils move in before we try to name it.

Don, that wasn't my point, I was taking about recovery not viewing or my personal consideration.

I hope for a conclusion soon but I have reservations based on the messages from some of the players and really they haven't released a single confirmed settlement. Every day that goes by offers an opportunity for a rejection. Both sides have made a mess of this and it will take a long time to recover if at all this isn't baseball or any of the other top 2 sports. I am not sure hockey is still 4th.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=comp...ov=st&type=lgns While I think it is good to have a mix of players, Owners and GMs instead of all GMs because it's the spirit of cooperation, players input and for the betterment of the game. But if this is what is coming out of the talks, I am dissappointed. Time will tell. Maybe a better product will hit the ice finally. They need more offense for excitement to get the old fans back or a percentage they won't get 100% and to see if there is any interest for new fans accepting hockey. Report: NHL forms new competition committee July 1, 2005 TORONTO (Ticker) - Despite the inability to reach a new collective bargaining agreement, the NHL and the Players Association apparently have found one thing in which they can agree on. According to a report on TSN of Canada's website Friday, the league and the union have formed a competition committee, which will convene to discuss and recommend all rule changes for the betterment of the game. Citing undisclosed sources, TSN is reporting the committee will consist of four active players, four general managers and one team owner. The players are believed to be union president Trevor Linden of the Vancouver Canucks, Brendan Shanahan of the Detroit Red Wings, Colorado Avalanche defenseman Rob Blake and Calgary Flames captain Jarome Iginla. David Poile of the Nashville Predators, Bob Gainey of the Montreal Canadiens, Kevin Lowe of the Edmonton Oilers and Don Waddell of the Atlanta Thrashers reportedly will be the general managers on the committee, while Ed Snider of the Philadelphia Flyers is the representative of the owners. The nine-man committee will assume the duties formerly held by the group consisting of the NHL's 30 general managers. The NHL and the Players Association met for four days this week before taking a break on Friday, which is a national holiday in Canada known as Canada Day. The sides are expected to resume labor discussions next week.