ghdi Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I really believe we can make a run at the Cup, its obvious Lou is going for it with the defensive upgrades. If not the Cup a run into the later rounds at the least is not out of the question. We still have great expierience, the all world goalie, and while we are missing some pieces who to say we'll have a guy no one expects pick it up and go on a tear through the playoffs. Every team in the East has a weakness, Hasek is not 100%, and frankly Carolina is really the only team that is scary but even they arent unbeatable. Anything is possible. Id say on paper we're still better than the 03 Ducks team that went into the finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wensink Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 (edited) I think we should have gotten Tyler Arnason this was the trade: Ottawa Senators acquire forward Tyler Arnason from the Chicago Blackhawks in exchange for forward Brandon Bochenski and a second-round pick. He was gettable and a better 2nd center than brylin, who would have made the 4th line more dangerous Egg Koz, Arnason Parise Madden Line Brylin, Marshall, Raz Edited March 9, 2006 by John Wensink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 BINGO.I don't know what some of you really expected. Look at how much MANY of these teams overpaid for these players. You would have wanted Lamoriello's head on a platter either way. No, he wasn't going to send Kozlov to New York for Parrish. No, he wasn't going to be able to send Langdon for Rolston. No, he wasn't going to send Rasmussen or Suglobov to Boston for Samsonov, or anybody else you thought he'd be able to pick up at the deadline. It just wasn't going to happen. The asking price was way too high for many of these players, and Lamoriello just didn't have the means or will (likely) to MAKE those deals. Let's have some perspective here. We upgraded our defense. That's good. We didn't upgrade our offense. Not that great. We still have a good defense and a great goaltender. We still have a great top line and we do have guys who tend to pick it up later in the year. No, we don't have the best second line, but what can we do? There was just nothing that we could do with it. We have to make do with what we have, and it's as simple as that. Suglobov wasn't going to save the team. He may fluorish somewhere else, but it wasn't meant to be here. Just like it's going to happen in the future with other players, just like it's already happened in the past with previous players. If Lou could have gotten scoring for Suglobov, he would have. We all know this. Come on, we do. Take it one step at a time. We're in playoff position and we have one of the two best players in the league on our team, plus guys like Brian Gionta, Brian Rafalski, and Scott Gomez. We have a great shutdown line in Langenbrunner, Madden, and Pandolfo. Yeah, we have spare parts. Yeah, we have invisible guys. Yeah, we have players who just couldn't get it done. We STILL have a damn good team though. Are we going to win the Cup? Doubtful. Can we still compete? Sure. Let's hold on to the farm instead of selling ourselves short for the present. Well said RD. Pretty much what I've been saying too. But if only MacDevil was GM... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Who would you have offered for Arnason though? Bochenski is a good young player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 I really believe we can make a run at the Cup, its obvious Lou is going for it with the defensive upgrades. If not the Cup a run into the later rounds at the least is not out of the question. We still have great expierience, the all world goalie, and while we are missing some pieces who to say we'll have a guy no one expects pick it up and go on a tear through the playoffs.Every team in the East has a weakness, Hasek is not 100%, and frankly Carolina is really the only team that is scary but even they arent unbeatable. Anything is possible. Id say on paper we're still better than the 03 Ducks team that went into the finals. But if this team somehow wins a Cup, it might very well be the least talented team to do so in modern NHL history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 But if this team somehow wins a Cup, it might very well be the least talented team to do so in modern NHL history. Oh no doubt, but its not out of the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilish34 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Vanderbeek should've traded Lou for first round pick !!!!!So we have killer line.. Marshal will center Albelin and Wiemer Still nothin new in Budd Lake ehh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wensink Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Not sure who the player would be, since Suggy would have been my first choice. (Devs could have left klee alone and then do the trade.) Best I can do at this point when I'm brain dead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDevil Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 MacDevil's the one doing most of the whining. He takes the WFAN caller approach to building a team.I think Lou saw that the only scorers being moved were the ones that were a bit iffy. I don't want any part of the guys that have been moved (expect maybe Parrish, but that wasn't going to happen), and I think Lou did the right thing passing on those guys. Like I said, I think Lou realized that he wasn't going to be able to appeciably improve our scoring, so he went the other way. Well mr. "I know everything"... How do you know that "Lou saw that the only scorers being moved were the ones that were a bit iffy" ?? Lou doesn;t see beyond defense.. All his recent moves are for the defensive minded skaters or for the Defensmans. He got rid of everybody who can score... his last move in that direction was Mogilny. Next summer he'll not sign Gomer and our top line will be Elias Gionta and Brylin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilish34 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Point of Langdon still here. That $450,000 just rotting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekes Head Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Well mr. "I know everything"...How do you know that "Lou saw that the only scorers being moved were the ones that were a bit iffy" ?? Lou doesn;t see beyond defense.. All his recent moves are for the defensive minded skaters or for the Defensmans. He got rid of everybody who can score... his last move in that direction was Mogilny. Next summer he'll not sign Gomer and our top line will be Elias Gionta and Brylin... You'll be surprised how many people are going to hold you to that, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 (edited) But if this team somehow wins a Cup, it might very well be the least talented team to do so in modern NHL history. Cause you know, each and every line was filled with future hall of famers on Tampa 2 years ago. Edited March 9, 2006 by Joe B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickman Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I really believe we can make a run at the Cup, its obvious Lou is going for it with the defensive upgrades. If not the Cup a run into the later rounds at the least is not out of the question. We still have great expierience, the all world goalie, and while we are missing some pieces who to say we'll have a guy no one expects pick it up and go on a tear through the playoffs.Every team in the East has a weakness, Hasek is not 100%, and frankly Carolina is really the only team that is scary but even they arent unbeatable. Anything is possible. Id say on paper we're still better than the 03 Ducks team that went into the finals. Going to have to agree on this one. I really think people are underestimating this team a little bit right now. Granted, scoring is an issue but it always has been with the Devils except for maybe the 2000 and 2001 teams. Otherwise its old news. But other then that, the team has a very sold d-corps, a great first line and a great shutdown line, and most of all Marty Brodeur. The way he is playing right now, well if this was the playoffs, he would be Smythe worthy. I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilish34 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I'm going to see how these guys play and then form my opinion.But wow, "I HATE LAMS..>FIRE HIM!" ...thats a bit extreme, no? Yikes. This has got to be the third year in a row now people have tried to jump ship after the deadline. Give it time! I have to agree withyou wait and see, Lou didn't hurt this team one bit we'll just have wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I'm ok with the deals. I'm high on Luk for this year & next. Just like I always liked the Matvichuk pickup even when he was struggling earlier. I think Klee is a rental ala Housley & wont see more than 20 games + playoffs for the Devs. If Matvichuk can make it back, we got a strong D - not an offensive one - but a strong one. And for a guy who believes that "defense wins championships" combined with scoring going down in the league, I think we'll be in position to win games. Sure they'll be nailbiters but we should be in every game into the 3rd period. That's when our franchise player will determine how far we go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDevil Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 You'll be surprised how many people are going to hold you to that, you know. I'm just applying pure logic from his moves in the last 2 years or so. I can't explain him... It is like an aliens kidnapped Lou sometime in 2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 Well mr. "I know everything"...How do you know that "Lou saw that the only scorers being moved were the ones that were a bit iffy" ?? Lou doesn;t see beyond defense.. All his recent moves are for the defensive minded skaters or for the Defensmans. He got rid of everybody who can score... his last move in that direction was Mogilny. Next summer he'll not sign Gomer and our top line will be Elias Gionta and Brylin... Okey dokey Mr. "I don't know a damn thing" So point out the slam-dunk scorer that got traded at the deadline. Waiting... I and others have already explained what Lou's thinking was. Good scorers that were sure things...NOT AVAILABLE. Mediocre scorers who were way overpriced for what they bring...AVAILABLE, but not at a reasonable pricetag. Lou did the right thing not biting. Mogilny...are you serious? I've told you this before...check out Alex's game log over the last several games. He was doing NOTHING! Check out what he's doing for Albany. Lou just built a team that won the Cup in 2003. I guess you expect Lou to build a team that wins the Cup every year. Was I thrilled with Lou's offseason this year? No. But no GM is perfect all of the time. With the "scorers" that were being made available, Lou did the right thing going the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDevil Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 But if this team somehow wins a Cup, it might very well be the least talented team to do so in modern NHL history. The laugh is not about "least talented".. it is about you mentioning the Cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilish34 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I'm just applying pure logic from his moves in the last 2 years or so.I can't explain him... It is like an aliens kidnapped Lou sometime in 2001 What ever they did to him worked since they won in 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 And the D moves show Lou is not comfortable YET with Hale taking a full-time role, and also the need to rest Albelin too. If Matvichuk comes back we got a solid 5, and two good other D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 (edited) Cause you know, each and every line was filled with future hall of famers on Tampa 2 years ago. No, but they definitely boasted a better cast that year than what we have right now. The laugh is not about "least talented".. it is about you mentioning the Cup Hence the word "somehow" in that sentence...I know it's a longshot at best. This laugh is about pretty much everything you've posted on this thread. Edited March 9, 2006 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDevil Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Lou just built a team that won the Cup in 2003. I guess you expect Lou to build a team that wins the Cup every year. Was I thrilled with Lou's offseason this year? No. But no GM is perfect all of the time. With the "scorers" that were being made available, Lou did the right thing going the other way. They way he handled this season... it would have been much better to rebuild the team and start new cycle, instead to damage the team this bad You'll see this summer when we resign GIO and Elias.. just how mcuh more money will be left to do anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Am I happy or sad with these moves? I'm ambivalent, just like I am every year at trade deadline. I always hope Lou will fleece someone for a top scorer but know it will never happen. I also know that moves that I didn't think were hot in March turned out to be the final pieces of a cup winning team in June. No doom and gloom from me. I'm just going to do what I always at this time of year. Strap myself in and go along for the ride and hope it's a long one! Let's Go Devils! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Let's see. We traded a prospect and draft picks for old, useless and expensive. I'm pleased as punch. I would have been *MUCH*, *MUCH*, *MUCH* happier if Lou had done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 No, but they definitely boasted a better cast that year than what we have right now. I'm not so sure. on my way out at the moment, I'm willing to bet line for line or player for player it's close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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