Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Wright really needed to come through there in the 8th, what an awful game he's had Clearly there's blame to go around with the Mets, as far as being 19-21 goes (now 4-10 in their last 14). We've seen bullpen implosions and some god-awful hitting. The only entity on the team that's been pretty solid is the starting pitching. But one of these days, the Mets' brass has got to stop using Wright's contract and performance as the measuring stick for how they do business. I think that, unless the mentality changes significantly, Wright's contract will represent top dollar in Metland for years to come. He is clearly the "superstar" cornerstone in this franchise's eyes, with the contract (as far as high-priced contracts go with the Mets) to prove it. I don't know what more anyone can possibly need to see, but Wright is not deserving of this status. Maybe from 2005-08, he was, but he isn't now, and he's not getting any younger. Is he a good, occasionally very good player? He is. But the real superstars find a way, no matter what. Wright has been a barometer hitter for years now. When the team struggles, he tends to struggle right along with them. He's not a leader, nor is he the kind of player to lead a team out of the doldrums, to stubbornly put a team on his back and basically say "I know we're flawed and I know we may not be much better than .500, but somehow we're going to win more games than anyone thinks we should." Last night was a prime example of what we've seen from him so many times from 2009 on...with a chance to put his stamp on a winnable game, he doesn't. Doesn't come even close. He's just as mired in the futility as everyone else. He comes up small so damned often, and there's a reason why no one's afraid of David Wright in these big spots. It's the same old sh!t...he's really not that hard to get out. He's not a game-changer and hasn't been in years. He can be a terrific complementary guy, a very nice 1A or 1B, but as long he's the best hitter on the Mets, he'll continue to disappoint in big money moments, and the team will follow in his "good, but not really good enough" footsteps. No one is quaking in their boots when Wright is coming up to the plate. The Mets need a guy like that so badly, and I hope to God Sandy and others are finally realizing that Wright will never be that guy for their ballclub. I'm always for putting players in spots where they can best succeed. Asking Wright to be "The Man" here is just begging for more disappointment and failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Niese doesn't seem to have much fight tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) It is almost academic when they play the nationals. Mets just have no chance and are better off just staying home and forfeiting. But I hope they at least score a run this game Edited May 17, 2014 by '7' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Wrights #'s with 2 outs and risp thus far 1-16....1 RBI ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Poor Murph. Oh well...if he had gotten a single or a double, it would've been yet another opportunity for David to come up small. At least we didn't have to see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Juan Lagares having himself a day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 (edited) Finally, a win against the scummy Nationals. 9 straight losses coming into this game. So sick of their late game heroics BS against us. keep it up Bartolo. Run up that trade value Edited May 17, 2014 by '7' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 Lagares with 3 RBI's, Mejia the save...it's kinda sad when the fans are ahead of the curve on management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) Lagares with 3 RBI's, Mejia the save...it's kinda sad when the fans are ahead of the curve on management. This is why I think Terry's time is done here. We all knew why he was hired...when a team is attempting to build itself into a contender, you need SOMEONE to be the caretaker. Terry seemed like a reasonable choice at the time, in that he had at least managed at the major-league level before. It's safe to say that we really shouldn't have expected much out of him...teams are looking for managers every year...there's always openings. His last major-league managerial job was in 1999. He signed his first contract with the Mets in 2010, to manage the 2011 season. What does it tell you that not ONE team in that time gave him another shot? If not for the Mets, he probably never gets another chance, unless some other team decides it needs nothing more than a warm body to fill the manager's seat until it has its young or key pieces in place. Although Terry's players do seem to play hard (that's at least SOMETHING, and I can't take that away from him), he still does a lot of boneheaded things, and doesn't seem to be capable of adjusting or learning as he goes (as in how he handles the pitching staff, especially the starting pitchers). How Juan Lagares didn't start for THREE FRIGGIN' DAYS is beyond mind-boggling. How in holy fvck does this guy sit for three days, and how in holy fvck do TC, Passive, and the rest of the Moron Brigade not see that EY isn't any good? I don't care what the Mets' W-L record is with him in the lineup...he stinks. He's now played in 130 games as a Met, and his overall numbers here as a Met are about what they were previously, only they're even worse...and that, of course, includes his torrid first month as a Met last season. His last four full months as a Met: 8/13: .236 BA, .288 OB%, .300 SLG 9/13: .237 BA, .287 OB%, .316 SLG 4/14 (including one game from March): .215 BA, .315 OB%, .269 SLG 5/14 to date: .233, .298 OB%, .395 SLG Jesus Terry, how much more of a friggin' sample size do you need to realize that the guy is not only bad, but doesn't come close to having the attributes you'd like to see in a leadoff hitter? Unfortunately Chris Young stinks too (everyone except Sandy knew that), but Lagares has to play. He may not continue to put up the numbers he's putting up right now, but I don't want to see him lose any more ABs because of some idoitic notion that EY somehow "HAS" to play, based on some W-L record in a small sample. What's maddening is that people say things like "EY is the closest thing the Mets have to a leadoff hitter." He has speed, but that's it. Nothing else you'd want from a leadoff guy (he brings "energy"...right). A poor man's leadoff hitter maybe hits .260 and gets on base at a .325 clip. In EY's last four months, he's hitting about .235 and getting on base at about a .295 clip. This is 8th-hitter production for a lot of teams. It's enough already. Stop jamming this stiff down our throats...he's not a prospect who's going through growing pains...he's a lousy fringe major-leaguer who apparently will get countless chances to prove it here over and over again. And sorry Terry, amateurs like you get questioned when you make your amateur decisions: http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/terry-collins-defends-his-decision-not-to-start-juan-lagares-four-of-five-games-1.8062732 Edited May 19, 2014 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmann422 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) Clearly there's blame to go around with the Mets, as far as being 19-21 goes (now 4-10 in their last 14). We've seen bullpen implosions and some god-awful hitting. The only entity on the team that's been pretty solid is the starting pitching. But one of these days, the Mets' brass has got to stop using Wright's contract and performance as the measuring stick for how they do business. I think that, unless the mentality changes significantly, Wright's contract will represent top dollar in Metland for years to come. He is clearly the "superstar" cornerstone in this franchise's eyes, with the contract (as far as high-priced contracts go with the Mets) to prove it. I don't know what more anyone can possibly need to see, but Wright is not deserving of this status. Maybe from 2005-08, he was, but he isn't now, and he's not getting any younger. Is he a good, occasionally very good player? He is. But the real superstars find a way, no matter what. Wright has been a barometer hitter for years now. When the team struggles, he tends to struggle right along with them. He's not a leader, nor is he the kind of player to lead a team out of the doldrums, to stubbornly put a team on his back and basically say "I know we're flawed and I know we may not be much better than .500, but somehow we're going to win more games than anyone thinks we should." Last night was a prime example of what we've seen from him so many times from 2009 on...with a chance to put his stamp on a winnable game, he doesn't. Doesn't come even close. He's just as mired in the futility as everyone else. He comes up small so damned often, and there's a reason why no one's afraid of David Wright in these big spots. It's the same old sh!t...he's really not that hard to get out. He's not a game-changer and hasn't been in years. He can be a terrific complementary guy, a very nice 1A or 1B, but as long he's the best hitter on the Mets, he'll continue to disappoint in big money moments, and the team will follow in his "good, but not really good enough" footsteps. No one is quaking in their boots when Wright is coming up to the plate. The Mets need a guy like that so badly, and I hope to God Sandy and others are finally realizing that Wright will never be that guy for their ballclub. I'm always for putting players in spots where they can best succeed. Asking Wright to be "The Man" here is just begging for more disappointment and failure. I agree with some of this but take issue with some things- as you say, wright is clearly not the type of guy who can carry a team on his own, but honestly in today's mlb- with the game trending towards pitching- there are very few players left who can be labeled as such, and even then those guys are often surrounded by better talent.I won't go through the entire history, but it's no surprise that David's numbers have gone down since (1) the move to citi and (2) he's been left in this lineup to absolutely wilt with no other quality players around him. Seriously, the best the mets have done to back up wright in this lineup over the past 5 years has been Ike Davis- who we just traded for a player to be named later. And ever since Reyes left we haven't had a quality run scoring guy in front of him (I love Murphy but he doesn't cut it). Despite this, David has been a consistent top 5/all star caliber third basemen in the league (injury years excluded). Does he dominate in clutch situations? Not necessarily, but he is a .294 career hitter with RISP, which is nothing to sneeze at, and I'm sure that number would look much better if he had some support behind him in this lineup. Just for fun I looked up last years WAR leaders (obviously not a perfect stat but it's easy to use for a quick glance). David was 17th in the league among position players with a 5.8. But consider this- the mets as a team had a cumulative WAR of just 14.6. That means wright accounted for just under 40% of his entire team's WAR. That's the third best in mlb among position players behind cano and Carlos Gomez. (As a side note- I'm surprised this stat is not tracked in some way and I had to calculate it myself, I would think it would be a good way to visualize a guy's value to a team compared to his teammates.) The other thing I'll say is that plenty of successful teams DONT rely on one guy in the lineup like the mets do with wright- they put 3-4 1A or 1B type guys as you call them together and roll with it. The Red Sox best hitters last year were pedroia, Ortiz and Ellsbury- Are any of them clearly ahead of wright? Or the cardinals with Holliday, carpenter and Beltran- all of these guys are right at or even below wright in terms of production, but the key is they're surrounded by other quality guys. I have full confidence wright can be and is a legitimate, quality #3 hitter, but like anyone else in the league short of Cabrera and a few others, he needs help. Edited May 20, 2014 by dmann422 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 dmann, though it may not seem like it, I'm actually taking more umbrage with the Mets' front office than I am with Wright. I accept what Wright is. Compared to what other players get, Wright's salary isn't outlandish. Like I said, he's a good, sometimes very good player. But it's like I said...I think the Mets see him as a superstar, and that's just wrong. Certain hitters worry the opposition. Wright never does that. Sure, he comes through here and there in "big" spots, but I'm never surprised when he strikes out yet again with the game on the line. I'm not a big Mike Francesa fan, but he once went on an infamous tirade about how Reyes (he was still on the team at the time) and Wright never seem to come up with a clutch hit. .294 career hitter with RISP or not (and that number doesn't take into account "garbage time" hitting), there's a reason why people have that perception of Wright. It's a label he's earned over many years of simply not coming through often enough, and he's factored into the futility pretty heavily at times. My problem isn't with Wright being a Met, or his abilities. I think he can be a fine 1A or 1B-type, a perfect complementary hitter, which is not a bad thing at all (every team NEEDS guys like that), but the Mets need to find that #1-type hitter that Wright can complement...especially with the prolonged power-outages that Wright is now prone to. You can blame the ballpark if you want (it certainly hasn't helped, and the Wilpons really messed up with this, in that I think both a contingent of players AND fans actually miss Shea, which is pretty sad), but Wright hasn't hit a single home run on the road this season, and his road/away splits aren't much different so far (granted, they're both small samples). Wright is not really hitting like a #3 hitter so far, and I'll admit that I'm concerned by his awful K-to-BB ratio (46 to 11, which is extremely un-Wright-like), and his lack of power (.376 SLG). His .708 OB+SLG is terrible (especially for him)...he's at .882 for his career. He WAS showing signs of getting it going again, and depending on how one chooses to look at things, he's having a pretty good May (though still not really Wright-like): .324 BA, .359 OB% (low considering the BA...he's only drawn four walks in May), .459 SLG%, .818 OB+SLG. My issues are more with Sandy...he needs to find more bats, REAL bats, not "hope for the best" question marks, which seems to be the only way Sandy does business. Granderson had two years of data that showed he was a major question mark. So did Chris Young...yet Sandy for some reason decided to spend some pretty healthy coin for what both bring. In the last two seasons, neither guy hit for average or got on base, both struck out a lot, and both hit some home runs. Well, so far, neither guy is hitting for average or getting on base, both are striking out a-plenty, and yeah, sometimes they hit home runs. But yes, Wright definitely needs help. I wasn't trying to imply that everything is his fault...it's not. But it's not fair for the Mets to ask him to be more than he is. It puts him in a bad, thankless, and winless position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Why having your AAA affiliate in the PCL sucks: http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=400&stn=true&sid=t400 The bloated hitting numbers look nice, but sadly there's not one player currently on that roster that can be expected to come close to duplicating their numbers up here. And that's with the team leading the PCL with a collective .872 OB+SLG. Syndergaard now 5-2 with a 3.88 ERA...league is hitting .284 off him. His hits allowed and walks are up, as one would expect from having to pitch in that league (still getting his Ks at least). Can't wait 'till he's done there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Mets totally corpsing it against the Dodgers. Montero not yet ready for the majors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Mets load the bases in the 5th, but Murphy K's and Wright does what he usually does and it's still 5-1. This team is really unbearable to watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Gary, Keith and Ron need to cool it with the Rangers garbage. Darling sounds like fvcking Boomer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Ugh I know. Isnt Ron from like Mass though. Grew up there? Is he on the bandwagon too? I thought Gary was an Isles fan? I didnt hear their comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Ugh I know. Isnt Ron from like Mass though. Grew up there? Is he on the bandwagon too? I thought Gary was an Isles fan? I didnt hear their comments. Gary's a Rag fan, I've heard him elude to it before. Darling is from Mass, but before the Bruins got knocked off, Gary asked him who he'd root for in a Bruins-Rags series. Darling came with that 'duh well I grew up a Bruins fan, but I've lived in NY longer so I'm rooting for the Rangers' crap. Really loyal B's fan Ronnie is. Tonight Gary says coming back from a SportsNite promo, 'And how about those Rangers! They look great!' Then Darling chimes in with 'And my boy Krieder! He's back with a vengeance! He's bringing the speed! And the King! That's what you call standing on your head'! It was fvcking nauseating to listen to. Darling sounded like Boomer light. Edited May 21, 2014 by MadDog2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 lol this game was seconds shy of being the longest nine-inning game in Mets history. And it wasn't even a good game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 lol this game was seconds shy of being the longest nine-inning game in Mets history. And it wasn't even a good game. yea the Mets have played a lot of those tooth extraction type affairs recently terrific job with the bases loaded again today boys. Real clutch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) At least they hit a couple of home runs in Citi for a change. Re: Montero...I want to see what he does in his next couple of starts, but the walks continue to be alarming. At the very least, this guy was supposed to have been a control specialist. Re: the Ranger stuff...what are you going to do? Let's face it, I'm sure a good portion of last night's television audience was eating that stuff up and coming back for seconds. If Ron, Keith, and Gary are rooting for the Rangers, so be it. Same old sh!t with Wright...what else is new? In the Mets' universe, he's a superstar. At least sometime next season, when he hits his 250th HR, nmig can post "Love that man!" Edited May 21, 2014 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) What Sandy wishes he could've done about the 90-win proclamation getting out (start at around 1:00): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXyhKFcGBa4 Mets have to go 10-1 over their final 11 games of May to avoid finishing with a losing record for the month. They're 5-13 so far. 10-1 gives them a 15-14 record. Edited May 21, 2014 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 DeGrom must be loving this. 2nd start, pitching great...and the Mets haven't given him a single run of support. He must be yearning for the minors at this point where he at least played for a team that can score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) Well there is your typical Mets game their. Choking in big spots (bases loaded again) leaving a small country on the bases in general, stupidity on defense. Wasting a pretty solid effort on the mound, and your franchise offensive player coming up small in a big spot as he's done the majority of his career. Last place, no ability whatsoever to win at home and now 5-14 in their last 19. Wonderful. Just pull the plug on this abomination. Forfeit the rest of the games. Edited May 22, 2014 by '7' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted May 22, 2014 Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) At least the Mets are getting some young guys some playing time, and hopefully some of the guys who are making convincing statements yet again as to why they shouldn't get another season here will be jettisoned FINALLY. Tejada is now 14-for-his-last-88 (.159 BA). Even if Flores isn't the answer (he's not), he's Not-Tejada, which is good enough for me. Tejada's gotten enough chances. It's over (at least it should be here). The Mets could really use a Keith Hernandez-type, a leader who has that knack of coming up with big in the spotlight moments (both at the plate AND the field)...the guy who helps to lead you out of the dark days and is great to have around as the winning pieces are put in place. David Wright couldn't be further from that kind of player. The funny thing is he will probably hit in the the low .300s, which means his fanboys will start with the "It's not his fault" crap, but Jesus, two home runs (none on the road BTW)?! Funny how visiting players never seem to have much trouble hitting balls out of Citi. ------------------ Syndergaard went 5 innings last night, gave up 5 hits, 2 walks, 3 ER, 2 home runs and struck out six. For a 21-year-old playing in a hitter's league, his numbers are fine...but it seems like he's rarely allowed to pitch more than five innings (I think this is erring on the side of being overly cautious): 10 starts, 53.2 IP, 59 H, 29 R, 24 ER, 6 HR, 19 BB, 57 K, 4.02 ERA Edited May 22, 2014 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Justin Turner hitting a huge revenge home run against the Mets...who called that? Oh yea everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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