New York Mets 2017 Season Thread

['7']

Mets take the field dressed as the 1993 Marins today I see. And of course Trea Turner leads off the game with a HR.

Edited June 17, 2017 by '7'

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

16 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said:

The latest theory from one guy on NYFS is that the Mets'll hold onto Duda and Walker to get the QO/compensatory picks (now it's a third plus fifth rounder) or sign one-year deals.  Which also had the added benefit of being another excuse to do very little.  

If Doofus is somehow a Met next season...then that's all I need to know about this franchise's MO.  If this series (Doofus of course has taken an 0-fer in the first three games) doesn't show once and for all why Lucas has no business playing on teams serious about contending, then I don't know what does.  The ONLY way Doofus should ever find his way onto a relevant team is if that team's first baseman is injured and going to be out for a while (possibly the rest of the season), and that team has very little options out there to find a replacement. 

Anyway, I thought this team would somehow scrap its way to a series split, but they're just too banged-up now, and too many of the wrong guys are still getting trotted out there on a daily basis...Reyes is suddenly approaching a .200 BA again, so I'm sure his spot in the lineup is secure for at least a few more weeks...big whoop.  There just isn't going to be much to talk about for now...obviously it would be nice to see Rosario start getting some major-league playing time, but Passive Uncreative will occasionally take the time to condescend to us all about how wonderful and productive the lineup is (the one that's predictably come up with a whopping nine runs in three games in this series, when scoring around the league is up) and give us excuses about why he can't dare to ever think outside the box.  I've already said all that I can about Doofus, Reyes, and the other losers who continue to be immune from any kind of accountability...until things change, all I can expect is more of the same...so why rail on about it?  Anyway job well done Sandy...with 95 games left in a lost season, the Mets are now officially playing out the string, and since it's obvious that you don't care, you've made very easy for me not to care as well.  Until you actually start to take some kind of steps towards building for 2018 (because it's never about this year, is it Sandy?), I can't invest much of my time towards watching the fragile heartless dreck of a roster that you've assembled.  Please awaken from your seemingly endless slumber and start to do SOMETHING, PLEASE.

13 hours ago, '7' said:

Mets hopeful Wright can resume baseball activities by July 1st. Which will likely last all of 72 hrs before he shuts it down again for some reason.

Honestly I sometimes forget he's even still a player. I pretty much see him as a coach now.

Bleech.  I REALLY don't need to see the poster boy for failure again...but of course, if he can actually somehow physically play, then the Mets have to play him.

Hopefully he'll quickly realize that his body can no longer handle major-league duty, and will just retire.  Best thing that can happen for all parties. 

Edited June 18, 2017 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Lmao at the Village Idiot...a couple of decent days with the bat for Reyes, and of course Terry can't wait to rush him right back to the top of the lineup in the second hole...where he promptly goes 0-for-4.  Why the fascination with this loser?  It just baffles the mind.

Make that 0-for-5.

Edited June 18, 2017 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[NJDevs4978]

Whoopdie damn doo, they finally won a game.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

2 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Whoopdie damn doo, they finally won a game.

Yeah, I thought they'd find a way to win one game, but too little too late, simply not good enough, season as far as the 2017 postseason goes is burnt toast.  Wake me up when Rosario is playing SS.

['7']

We really don't deserve deGrom at all. He's a winner, a battler, well prepared, leads by example, and finds a way to get things done in periods of adversity. The Nats already took our lunch money this series. We needed to take 3 of 4 or sweep them in order to really have any flicker of hope. But Jacob went out there and after a rocky first where of course the Mets betrayed him with some shoddy defense...he totally puts the game on cruise control, stymies a great lineup, and at least saves us from complete and total humiliation. And for deGroms sake and to save the bullets, I hope we shut him down in September when things get really bleak.

This day in age, when you get high fives and pats on the back for 6 innings 3 runs, for deGrom to go 9 and then follow it up with 8 (even on an extra day) is tremendous.

I saw the play with Duda loafing on his way home and nearly being tagged out at the plate (thankfully Wieters dropped the ball) but Duda was actually SLOWING UP as he approached the plate as if he was absolutely certain the ball was being kicked around the warning track or something. Are you kidding me!?

 

Edited June 19, 2017 by '7'

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

6 hours ago, '7' said:

We really don't deserve deGrom at all. He's a winner, a battler, well prepared, leads by example, and finds a way to get things done in periods of adversity. The Nats already took our lunch money this series. We needed to take 3 of 4 or sweep them in order to really have any flicker of hope. But Jacob went out there and after a rocky first where of course the Mets betrayed him with some shoddy defense...he totally puts the game on cruise control, stymies a great lineup, and at least saves us from complete and total humiliation. And for deGroms sake and to save the bullets, I hope we shut him down in September when things get really bleak.

This day in age, when you get high fives and pats on the back for 6 innings 3 runs, for deGrom to go 9 and then follow it up with 8 (even on an extra day) is tremendous.

I saw the play with Duda loafing on his way home and nearly being tagged out at the plate (thankfully Wieters dropped the ball) but Duda was actually SLOWING UP as he approached the plate as if he was absolutely certain the ball was being kicked around the warning track or something. Are you kidding me!?

I like deGrom as much as you do, but let's face facts...he's been wildly inconsistent this season (the high BB count has been a bit baffling as well), and there's no sugarcoating that.  Look at his season ERA after each of his last five starts:  3.23, 3.97, 4.75, 4.33, 3.94.  His breakdown of ER allowed per start since the beginning of May (9 starts) also paint an all-over-the-place picture:  1 ER or less 4 times, 5 ER or more 4 times.  I really hope that this latest mini-surge turns into something more, but keep in mind that on May 19 and May 26, in those two starts, deGrom went 15.1 IP and allowed 10 H, 4 BB, and K'd 19, while allowing just one ER (off a solo HR).  In his next two, he went 8 IP and allowed 18 H (4 HR), 15 ER, and 6 BB (8 K).  It seems like he's less interested in racking up Ks now, which is a good thing in that he's been incredibly efficient these past two starts...but I can't fully trust him yet, with the up-and-down way he's performed this season.  And part of what's making his season feel better than it's been is that everyone else has either been hurt or lousy.  Hopefully, FINALLY, deGrom is ready to go on an extended roll (even if it doesn't mean anything from a contention standpoint). 

Rosario takes his second straight 0-for-4, and has K'd 5 times in his last three games (including three yesterday).  That likely means a lot more Reyes for at least the rest of the month.  Bleech.

re:  Doofus...losers are as losers do.  Mets can't make a legit case for bringing him back next season.  Let him struggle to hit .250, hit 25 or so meaningless HR, drive in lots of garbage-time runs, be a no-show in big games against top arms, and be a mediocre-to-poor fielder someplace else...God I hope he's gone at the deadline.   

['7']

Mets are probably breathing a sigh of relief at Rosario's struggles. And I do believe they are legit struggles tied to pitching adjusting to him...he's too young and hasn't dominated AAA long enough to be getting bored like some prospects do, where they just feel like they're wasting their time and being held back. Rosario now has to figure things out himself and get back to hitting

You're right about deGroms inconsistencies. Only over the past 2 starts has he been the real deGrom. Up to recently the season has not been up to his standards...given up far too many home runs (but also K'd a bunch of guys) his velocity has been very good though. Maybe the best I've seen with him hitting 98 on the gun at times. I wonder if early on he tried to throw too hard at the expense of his control and location. The K's piled up but when he unleashed a fat pitch, it left the yard. Now I see he's pacing himself better and leaving enough in the tank to hit 97-98 in the 7th and 8th if he needs it.

I suspect this different approach deGrom took early in the season may have been the brainchild of Warthen. Don't know for sure but I have my suspicions.

As Duda ages (tough to believe he's already 31) his range at 1b is going to get even worse. Few days ago Murph bounced one past his left that he absolutely needs to field. Ok he was leaning to his right when the ball was hit but it's stuff like that that kills this team. That play just has to be made. He doesn't hit enough to excuse that. 

Duda still has value somewhere in this league because of his hot streaks and ability to draw walks. Let's move him before his bat slows. I'm fairly certain a good minor league relief prospect can be had for him. Some AL team would be thrilled to have him in a DH/1B platoon role.

Edited June 19, 2017 by '7'

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Yeah if anything re:  Rosario, now he really doesn't have to think about getting called up anytime soon...just worry about adjusting to AAA pitching, and whatever happens happens...unless he just falls off a cliff Herrera-style more on him below), he'll get a shot this season.

There's been a lot of harsh articles written about the Mets' SS play lately, mostly ripping how bad the Mets have been DEFENSIVELY at that position (and obviously they're not getting much offense there either).  Cabrera was always a guy that found a way to defy his poor metrics (last season was a great example of that), but this year he's really just looked bad...and Reyes is not good at any aspect of the game anymore.  I think that's where I get frustrated...the fact that someone who's been so awful can just keep getting thrown out there.  Based on how glacially the Mets move, at this point, I'd like to see Cabrera get back in at SS as soon as he's able, and then if he's not hitting after 10 games or so (he can still hit, much more so than Reyes), then if Rosario is hot and no longer slumping, just call him up already. 

You know my take on Warthen...I don't he brings anything to the table and I think he, Collins, and the rest need to go.  This staff gets treated as though they've accomplished a lot more than they have, and I don't get it.

And more and more it's really looking like Sandy moving Herrera wasn't as costly as we feared...Herrera has been better lately (.300 BA in his last 60 AB, 3 2B and 3 HR), but still isn't really wowing...and he's consistently been striking out all season, even during this semi-surge (55 K in 54 GP with only 13 BB, slash of .246/.295/.382...he just seems to have stalled since first getting a taste of big-league play).

Edited June 19, 2017 by Colorado Rockies 1976

['7']

On 6/18/2017 at 5:57 AM, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

 

Bleech.  I REALLY don't need to see the poster boy for failure again...but of course, if he can actually somehow physically play, then the Mets have to play him.

Hopefully he'll quickly realize that his body can no longer handle major-league duty, and will just retire.  Best thing that can happen for all parties. 

All I know is IF he ever takes the field again, I'm going to shield my eyes before he unleashes his first weaksauce Chad Pennington lame duck throw to first base. He just does not and will not be able to make those throws anymore. Even in his prime his throwing arm from third was only average.

But you know all I've heard is how good Wright is as an unofficial bench coach. How teammates are inspired by him. How he's a good guy. He may have a future in managing (along with Granderson). Normally I'm against those direct from being a player right into the manager type transitions without having to toil in the minors some. But could David Wright possibly manage this pen any worse than Collins? Could Granderson? I'm pretty certain we'd have less Abraham Simpson moments with one or the other on the bench. They probably have a better feel for the team and what these guys are capable of than Collins.

Edited June 19, 2017 by '7'

['7']

Mets out in LA and San Fran this week, where third bases are missed, leads are blown, gut crushing losses at 3:30am est, and season are officially buried. Kershaw tonight. Wonderful.

Interesting to see how Conforto will do tonight against him. He started to hit again yesterday. Maybe his bad back is feeling better. 

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

5 minutes ago, '7' said:

All I know is IF he ever takes the field again, I'm going to shield my eyes before he unleashes his first weaksauce Chad Pennington lame duck throw to first base. He just does not and will not be able to make those throws anymore. Even in his prime his throwing arm from third was only average.

But you know all I've heard is how good Wright is as an unofficial bench coach. How teammates are inspired by him. How he's a good guy. He may have a future in managing (along with Granderson). Normally I'm against those direct from being a player right into the manager type transitions without having to toil in the minors some. But could David Wright possibly manage this pen any worse than Collins? Could Granderson? I'm pretty certain we'd have less Abraham Simpson moments with one or the other on the bench. They probably have a better feel for the team and what these guys are capable of than Collins.

Part of me is terrified about Wright being involved with the team on the field in such a high capacity, just because...BUT, he IS a good guy, and even if he's shot as a player, there could very well be the makings of a solid manager in there...and you are right, I think those players would go through a wall for him if he was the manager, I really do...I think they love the guy and respect him to the hilt.  It's something I've never even thought about, but it sure is an interesting and intriguing idea.  Sandy will never do anything that crazy (just give him the job with no experience at all), but you wonder if they start grooming him to be a possible future manager as soon as next season...give him a year as skipper of the Cyclones, then give him a couple of years beyond that in the minors to see if he can handle the job.   

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Just now, '7' said:

Mets out in LA and San Fran this week, where third bases are missed, leads are blown, gut crushing losses at 3:30am est, and season are officially buried. Kershaw tonight. Wonderful.

Interesting to see how Conforto will do tonight against him. He started to hit again yesterday. Maybe his bad back is feeling better. 

The ONLY good thing about this is that Sandy & Co can REALLY let go of the charade that the Mets can somehow still get back into this thing, and start thinking about moving at least 2-3 of the guys who won't be back in 2018...it's funny, because though I think Sandy punted 2017 away a while ago, I also think he still thinks this team will somehow put a run together and sneak back into thing.  I think this team is actually going to find a way to go at least 5-5 on this trip...not sure why. 

One player who could really have a LOT of value to a contender is Jerry Blevins.  Guy has been one of the top lefty specialists in MLB this season and last, and has been good against righties at times too.  Contenders looking for that last valuable piece sometimes pay a bit of a premium for guys like him.   

['7']

1 minute ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

The ONLY good thing about this is that Sandy & Co can REALLY let go of the charade that the Mets can somehow still get back into this thing, and start thinking about moving at least 2-3 of the guys who won't be back in 2018...it's funny, because though I think Sandy punted 2017 away a while ago, I also think he still thinks this team will somehow put a run together and sneak back into thing.  I think this team is actually going to find a way to go at least 5-5 on this trip...not sure why. 

One player who could really have a LOT of value to a contender is Jerry Blevins.  Guy has been one of the top lefty specialists in MLB this season and last, and has been good against righties at times too.  Contenders looking for that last valuable piece sometimes pay a bit of a premium for guys like him.   

True. Though I'd be torn because Blevins still has plenty of value for us if we want to compete next year. But if a team really blows us away for Blevins...absolutely move him. Lanky, crafty lefty specialists who get the job done without throwing hard...sh!t he's going to be doing this into his 40s. Plus I hear he's a really good clubhouse guy as well.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

29 minutes ago, '7' said:

True. Though I'd be torn because Blevins still has plenty of value for us if we want to compete next year. But if a team really blows us away for Blevins...absolutely move him. Lanky, crafty lefty specialists who get the job done without throwing hard...sh!t he's going to be doing this into his 40s. Plus I hear he's a really good clubhouse guy as well.

I'd hate to see him go too, but he's simply a luxury this point that the Mets really don't need, and he's going to be a free agent...there's a good chance that they could lose him for nothing.  I'd like to see the Mets try to bring him back next season, regardless of where he ends this one. 

['7']

Wheeler looking like wretched garbage right off the bat. 4-0 batting practice

Pull him asap and shut him down for the year. He's done.

[NJDevs4978]

Guess it only took Wheeler 60 or so innings to crap out this year...at least it's better than his last two seasons

[NJDevs4978]

And Kershaw's gone 6 up and 6 down in the snap of a finger.  This might be the first inevitable perfect game in MLB history.

Now it's 7-0 lol...Wheeler looks like Eddie Cicotte in Eight Men Out.

Edited June 20, 2017 by NJDevs4978

[NJDevs4978]

Reyes another useless HR that's going to keep him swinging from his heels, lovely

['7']

Ha. If course Reyes. Big home run there pal!'

Can't wait until it's 14-1, then Duda can PH and hit one to the Hollywood sign.

Edited June 20, 2017 by '7'

['7']

Kershaw isn't exactly at his best today. Falling behind a lot (even in the 1st inning before Wheeler threw up all over himself) if Wheelers arm didn't die...we could actually have a chance this game.

Good for Cecchini. Who knows what kind of career he's going to have but it's quite a cool thrill to be able to tell people your first career HR was against Clayton Kershaw

Edited June 20, 2017 by '7'

['7']

I remember I think two years ago offense had sort of normalized in baseball. Steroids seemed like they were finally eradicated, though yea you'd have a guy suspended here and there. Amphetamines were out. Day games after night games started to look like the sluggish affairs they were for decades up until the mid 90's. You started to hear chatter about the MLB getting worried that the game wasn't exciting enough...not enough runs scored etc. 

And almost immediately you had this enormous spike in HR's. Out of the blue just like a light switch. No slow buildup. No epidemic of injured star pitchers (well, except us) to tilt things back to the offense. Balls are exploding off bats. I mean Bruce is probably going to set the Mets record for HR's in a season if we hold on to him. I know it was warm yesterday but I'm sorry in what universe is Jacob deGrom hitting a home run to left center over the back wall at Citi (original 2009 dimensions) or Colon last year when HR's spiked.

 

[NJDevs4978]

There's a LOT of funny things happening this year.  Ryan Zimmerman going from .210 and washed up to Yaz in his prime this year.  Judge going from completely lost last year to a HOF'er this year, other guys like Thames and Yonder Alonso coming out of nowhere to have big years, and big-name pitchers like Tanaka, Verlander, Quintana, Porcello, etc struggling. I do think there's something to this ball being juiced theory.

['7']

Just now, NJDevs4978 said:

There's a LOT of funny things happening this year.  Ryan Zimmerman going from .210 and washed up to Yaz in his prime this year.  Judge going from completely lost last year to a HOF'er this year, other guys like Thames and Yonder Alonso coming out of nowhere to have big years, and big-name pitchers like Tanaka, Verlander, Quintana, Porcello, etc struggling. I do think there's something to this ball being juiced theory.

It's totally nuts. I mean Cody Bellinger has 21 hr's in 51 games. It's absolute insanity. He's a rookie!

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Definitely feels like 1987 in a lot of ways...and not in a good way.  I liked the "normalized" game (except for the constant Ks...not like those have gone anywhere though).  This just feels silly and artificial.  

Yikes with Wheeler...what a quick crash and burn.

Mets actually battled pretty hard tonight (Reyes with two dingers off Kershaw?!)...looks like Salas killed the momentum though...what a god awful year he's had.