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#141 DaneykoIsGod

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 12:42 PM

--8 year olds/stupid chicks chanting Lets go Devils even when we are down 4-0. This is a sports arena, not kindergarten.


I hate the fact that we have several thousand fans at every game who think like this. Some people are embarassed by certain chants or chants at certain points in games. I'm embarassed by how quiet our arena is and how easily a small pocket of visiting fans can drown us out.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 02:59 PM

Well there will always be crumbs and spilled drinks and stuff all over the place for them to clean up. Taking your cup and tray to the garbage probably isn't going to cost them their job.

And it does make a difference if it is part of the job or all of the job. If there was nothing for them to clean, and their only job was to clean it, then there would be no need for them. But since they do other stuff, they will still be needed so you don't need to worry about them being fired if you throw your trash in the trash can.



Exactly. It's just common courtesy. What bugs me is that there's so many people in this world -- and in this thread -- who have completely lost all regard for anyone other than themselves that they think they can just run around doing whatever the hell they want. Not only that, but they go so far as to create excuses and to spin things so that everyone ELSE is the a$$hole, not them. And, of course, they're all going to get offended by this and accuse me of being up on a high horse, but frankly, they're the ones who need to get off of their high horses and quit acting like the universe revolves around them.


Let me ask this. Do you know for a fact that picking up cups and trays their job or part of their job? If it is, why are we even having this conversation? If it was NOT part of their job then you can be certain you would see signs telling us to take our trash with us. I ask again, do you take your dishes in a restaurant to the kitchen to make the busboys job easier? Do you even tip the busboy separately if you don't?

Rowdy, yes, why the high horse? That poor horse is soon gonna break his back with so many people on it. And no, I'm not on a high horse myself and I don't think the universe revolves around me. No one is calling anyone an a$$hole or making excuses either. Picking up trash is part of those peoples jobs. I don't think it keeps them from their other duties at all and they likely calculate for it. What's interesting is that if everyone picked up their trash the garbage cans outside the entrances or wherever they are would overflow. So now instead of these guys who are already walking through the stands have to pick up the garbage off the floor in that area instead of the stands.

If you can show me proof stating that picking up trash from the stands is NOT in their job description then I will take back everything and pick up my trash 100% of the time in the future.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 04:40 PM

I hate the fact that we have several thousand fans at every game who think like this. Some people are embarassed by certain chants or chants at certain points in games. I'm embarassed by how quiet our arena is and how easily a small pocket of visiting fans can drown us out.

I agree 100%. It is pathetic. I like to think that our fanbase is still relatively young and in the future this will change.


Let me ask this. Do you know for a fact that picking up cups and trays their job or part of their job? If it is, why are we even having this conversation? If it was NOT part of their job then you can be certain you would see signs telling us to take our trash with us. I ask again, do you take your dishes in a restaurant to the kitchen to make the busboys job easier? Do you even tip the busboy separately if you don't?

If you can show me proof stating that picking up trash from the stands is NOT in their job description then I will take back everything and pick up my trash 100% of the time in the future.

You say if it was not part of their job, then there would be signs telling us to take our trash with us. But it is part of their job, so why do they have garbage cans for people to use? You don't take your dishes to the kitchen because that area is usually for employees only. When you go to a fast-food restaurant, they have garbage cans by the tables. Do you just get up and leave your trash there and think, "Oh it's part of their job to keep this place clean so I'll just leave my stuff on the table"?

And just because it is part of their job doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice of you to just throw your garbage away.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 04:58 PM

I agree 100%. It is pathetic. I like to think that our fanbase is still relatively young and in the future this will change.



You say if it was not part of their job, then there would be signs telling us to take our trash with us. But it is part of their job, so why do they have garbage cans for people to use? You don't take your dishes to the kitchen because that area is usually for employees only. When you go to a fast-food restaurant, they have garbage cans by the tables. Do you just get up and leave your trash there and think, "Oh it's part of their job to keep this place clean so I'll just leave my stuff on the table"?

And just because it is part of their job doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice of you to just throw your garbage away.


So where are the garbage cans by the seats at the arenas? I've never noticed them near seats but maybe I wasn't looking for them.

As for the nice gesture, sure it's nice and like I said, I don't leave it there 100% of the time but I doubt it would make a great dent in the time the guy takes to clean up.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 05:32 PM

So where are the garbage cans by the seats at the arenas? I've never noticed them near seats but maybe I wasn't looking for them.

As for the nice gesture, sure it's nice and like I said, I don't leave it there 100% of the time but I doubt it would make a great dent in the time the guy takes to clean up.

The garbage cans are on the concourse which everybody walks through on their way out of the arena.

And whether or not you take your garbage with you may not make a huge dent in his time cleaning, but if everybody thought like that, then it would add up and take a lot more time.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 05:34 PM

I hate when say it's intermission, and you leave your beer cup under your seat because maybe some of us keep them because of the cool (MTS CENTRE/Manitoba Moose logo) and because they make great beer cup for when you're having a few..anyway, you come back and they are gone! bah!

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 05:41 PM

When the Devils played at CAA, expensive parking, and now at the Rock people wearing a jersey of the team the Devils are not playing on that night. Last year when I went vs Anaheim, I saw people in Leafs and Stars jersey's. Also people who scan your tickets at The Rock cause bigger lines than at the CAA.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 08:05 PM

Threads about garbage. :tomato:


HEY!! You aren't just gonna leave those tomatoes under the seat, are you?
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 11:48 PM

The garbage cans are on the concourse which everybody walks through on their way out of the arena.

And whether or not you take your garbage with you may not make a huge dent in his time cleaning, but if everybody thought like that, then it would add up and take a lot more time.


Are they enough to handle everyone's garbage at once?

What else do you think we should do to help out our fellow janitor friend and make his life easier? Should we use the bathroom less? Make it so everyone uses just one stall/urinal/sink so the others need not be cleaned? If it's raining/snowing out, should we leave take off our shoes and coats outside so that the floor doesn't get wet? Why stop at picking up our food tray? We could give this guy a permanent paid coffee break!

Wait a minute, why stop at the janitor? If he's taking an 8 hour break his fellow workers will be jealous! How about checking our own tickets with wall mounted barcode readers and they can have a buffet with a self checkout facility. Vanderbeek is getting richer by the miniute! DevilinLA should send these ideas to the boss man! Oh wait, he's not! He just has dozens of workers sitting on their ass doing nothing because we're all helping them out!
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 12:53 AM

Are they enough to handle everyone's garbage at once?

What else do you think we should do to help out our fellow janitor friend and make his life easier? Should we use the bathroom less? Make it so everyone uses just one stall/urinal/sink so the others need not be cleaned? If it's raining/snowing out, should we leave take off our shoes and coats outside so that the floor doesn't get wet? Why stop at picking up our food tray? We could give this guy a permanent paid coffee break!

Wait a minute, why stop at the janitor? If he's taking an 8 hour break his fellow workers will be jealous! How about checking our own tickets with wall mounted barcode readers and they can have a buffet with a self checkout facility. Vanderbeek is getting richer by the miniute! DevilinLA should send these ideas to the boss man! Oh wait, he's not! He just has dozens of workers sitting on their ass doing nothing because we're all helping them out!

No they're not enough to handle all the garbage, but they are still there so obviously they aren't expecting everybody to just leave their garbage all over the floor.

And all those other things you listed are actually an inconvenience. Carrying your garbage with you on the same path you are already going to be walking and then parting ways with it as you pass a garbage can isn't an inconvenience.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 01:21 AM

No they're not enough to handle all the garbage, but they are still there so obviously they aren't expecting everybody to just leave their garbage all over the floor.

And all those other things you listed are actually an inconvenience. Carrying your garbage with you on the same path you are already going to be walking and then parting ways with it as you pass a garbage can isn't an inconvenience.


If they aren't enough then they obviously don't expect everyone to pick up their own trays and throw them out on the concourse otherwise they would have more garbage cans right? If everyone started doing what is being suggested then, like I had said earlier, those garbage cans would overflow and the janitor would have to pick them up there instead of at the seats. Not really helping him out or making things easier for him now are we?

Ahh so your kind gesture to make someones life easier is only if it is convenient to you? Well that's nice.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 01:32 AM

If they aren't enough then they obviously don't expect everyone to pick up their own trays and throw them out on the concourse otherwise they would have more garbage cans right? If everyone started doing what is being suggested then, like I had said earlier, those garbage cans would overflow and the janitor would have to pick them up there instead of at the seats. Not really helping him out or making things easier for him now are we?

Ahh so your kind gesture to make someones life easier is only if it is convenient to you? Well that's nice.

My point was it is a very simple thing to do. The other things you listed are unrealistic and actually involve going out of your way to do something. Taking your garbage to a garbage can that you will walk by anyway is such a simple task there is no reason not to other than pure laziness. When you leave your garbage on the floor instead of taking it with you are you seriously thinking to yourself, "I should leave it here so the garbage can doesn't overflow"?
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 02:10 AM

No, of course you don't think about a garbage can overflowing, that is just the consequence of everyone taking their garbage with them.

It is NOT pure laziness. It is no different than leaving your dishes on the table at a restaurant. There are some situations where you throw out your own trash and some you don't. This particular case it's optional and there is someone paid to pick them up if you choose not to. It is part of their job and does not take away from their other duties because if it did there would either be more people doing it or there would be garbage cans near the seats instead of just the concourse so that individuals can throw things out. In the end this guy will clock out with all his duties of the day completed.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 03:32 AM

No, of course you don't think about a garbage can overflowing, that is just the consequence of everyone taking their garbage with them.

It is NOT pure laziness. It is no different than leaving your dishes on the table at a restaurant. There are some situations where you throw out your own trash and some you don't. This particular case it's optional and there is someone paid to pick them up if you choose not to. It is part of their job and does not take away from their other duties because if it did there would either be more people doing it or there would be garbage cans near the seats instead of just the concourse so that individuals can throw things out. In the end this guy will clock out with all his duties of the day completed.

Restraunts don't offer you the choice of emptying your own garbage, there usually isnt anywhere to empty the food. There are garbage cans EVERYWHERE in arenas. I just don't see this comparison at all.

In food establishments that provide garbage cans (e.g. McDonalds) almost everyone makes the huge sacrifice of throwing out your fry carton.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 03:44 AM

Keyword: Choice

Anyway, the point was, with the restaurant analogy, that there is someone hired to do it just as there is in an arena.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 08:34 AM

No, of course you don't think about a garbage can overflowing, that is just the consequence of everyone taking their garbage with them.

It is NOT pure laziness. It is no different than leaving your dishes on the table at a restaurant. There are some situations where you throw out your own trash and some you don't. This particular case it's optional and there is someone paid to pick them up if you choose not to. It is part of their job and does not take away from their other duties because if it did there would either be more people doing it or there would be garbage cans near the seats instead of just the concourse so that individuals can throw things out. In the end this guy will clock out with all his duties of the day completed.

Nobody is arguing whether or not it is part of the job, we're just saying it's a nice thing to do for you take it out with you. If more people did this maybe he would get to leave and go back to his family a little earlier. That is why it is a nice thing to do, not because we think it's not his job, everyone knows that's their job.

Keyword: Choice

Anyway, the point was, with the restaurant analogy, that there is someone hired to do it just as there is in an arena.

Yea you have a choice at the arena (take your trash with you or be lazy and leave it there), you don't have a choice in a restaurant. If they had places on the way out where you can drop off your dishes, then that comparison would make sense. Part of working at a fast food place is to clean the tables but that doesn't mean they expect you to leave your trash on it when you are walking by a garbage can as you leave.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 12:04 PM

I hate when say it's intermission, and you leave your beer cup under your seat because maybe some of us keep them because of the cool (MTS CENTRE/Manitoba Moose logo) and because they make great beer cup for when you're having a few..anyway, you come back and they are gone! bah!

I hate that I always have to pee 4 minutes before the period is done..but never go...even though i should to avoid the line

Sorry.....where can I return the cups to for you..... :whistling:

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 12:25 PM

I still can't believe we are still arguing about garbage.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 03:21 PM

Sorry.....where can I return the cups to for you..... :whistling:


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Posted 20 July 2008 - 03:35 PM

Nobody is arguing whether or not it is part of the job, we're just saying it's a nice thing to do for you take it out with you. If more people did this maybe he would get to leave and go back to his family a little earlier. That is why it is a nice thing to do, not because we think it's not his job, everyone knows that's their job.


Yea you have a choice at the arena (take your trash with you or be lazy and leave it there), you don't have a choice in a restaurant. If they had places on the way out where you can drop off your dishes, then that comparison would make sense. Part of working at a fast food place is to clean the tables but that doesn't mean they expect you to leave your trash on it when you are walking by a garbage can as you leave.


You can't be serious. You really think they're just gonna let the guy go home early because he's done with his regular duties for the day? They'll find him something to mop until his shift is over. I don't know what kind of jobs you've had but that's not a regular practice. What if this guy gets done early every day because people throw out their own trash? Now management will be thinking, hmm, maybe we don't need as many of these guys, instead of one person for every four sections (someone mentioned that ratio earlier) they could get by with one person for every five or six sections. No suddenly this guy has a ton of family time that he didn't really want.

If you leave your trash on the table at a McDonald's they're not going to say anything but they also don't have someone to regularly clear off the tables so they provide plenty of trash cans near the tables for customers to do so. Yes, I've worked in a fast food establishment.

You keep bringing up laziness, it's not laziness. It's not that I don't feel like picking up the trash, I just know I don't have to because it's someone's job to do so.
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