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  1. I know this was asked before Hynes was fired, but you have to go through the league and see where players come from to realize just how little the Devils are going to end up having from the final 4 drafts that Conte was presiding over, and these are drafts where I mostly think he did okay - part of it was that he was working without picks almost every year. I did this breakdown on HF a month ago so I still have everything handy, here's the list of players/assets the Devils have as a result of drafting and trades from the various draft years: 2002: Greene* 2004: Zajac 2008: Vatanen (via Henrique+3rd+UFA) 2009: Zetterlund (via Eric Gelinas) 2010: Schmid (via Scott Wedgewood) 2011: Hall (via Larsson), Coleman 2012: Severson 2013: Wood, Schneider 2014: Hayden 2015: Zacha, Blackwood, Palmieri (via 2nd+3rd round pick), Seney 2016: [Beau Bennett] * - would've been draft-eligible that year [] - player was acquired with draft pick acquired by previous regime, is no longer with organization In a year the Devils missed the playoffs (2013), they have a 3rd/4th line forward and awful goalie to show for it now. What do you think good teams now have from the 2013 draft - a draft, which by the way, was not all that special - but has still produced several solid NHLers? 2014 was also not special, but it was also a year the Devils missed the playoffs - they've got John Hayden to show for it 5 years later. Knowing what we know now, a GM would have to have stolen a good goalie or signed one UFA to make this into a good team, and that's with the excellent trades for Hall and Palmieri. Not counting Ty Smith as a blue-chip prospect is just changing the definitions of words. Name 5 D currently playing outside the NHL who are property of an NHL team who you'd rather have. You might be able to do this - naming 10 is likely not possible. He is a blue-chip prospect. He would be the best D prospect in the system of more than half the teams around the league. That doesn't mean he's going to be an NHL star or NHL regular - plenty of blue-chip prospects have failed to become NHLers. 'Waiting to see more' just means waiting until he isn't a prospect anymore. This team should be better than it is. The coaching staff has failed to get the best out of anyone in the early stages of this season. There's been some trades that haven't worked out - Bennett, Mueller, probably Gusev, possibly Subban, and Johansson was largely a wash. McLeod probably won't play in the NHL much or well. Still, there is a lot of hope for the future, and while the NHL standings don't reflect it enough, there's been some massive upgrades.
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    Rebuild 2.0 Thread

    I'm absolutely not saying that. Where the fvck would you think that I am saying that? What in the world would make you think that that post was saying 'The Devils should've tried to out tank the Leafs?' How can you possibly interpret my post to say that? And then you strawman into trying to talk about tanking again - all right, I'm done. Not responding to anything you say here or on HFboards.
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    Rebuild 2.0 Thread

    I hate responding in this thread, but 2015 is the big goof-up. 2016, McLeod, yeah, he's not going to be an average NHLer, or anything close probably - does anything from that draft picked after him really move the needle? I like Chycrun and McAvoy, neither are stars, and nothing else from that 1st round is really exploding yet. The real problem is 2016 was them picking 11th with the team they had.
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    Subban

    I don't think the Devils are a very bad team right now - I think they've gotten very poor results and have very bad goaltending, and if they don't improve, they will continue to be bad. I think the offense should be better than it has been, that's the major place the team must improve. I certainly don't think every personnel move that Shero makes from now until the end of the season will result in the Devils being a worse team this season. They might pick up someone on waivers who can help augment their depth. They might call up someone from Binghamton who ends up outplaying a regular. These are moves that Shero has made in past seasons when the Devils have been bad and he will make them again, if the opportunity presents itself.
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    Subban

    I'm the one moving the goalposts? Tanking has a very obvious definition. It is deliberately making the team worse in order to lose games. That's not why the Devils will be trading away their UFAs. They will be trading them in order to recoup value so as to not lose them for nothing. You know, like just about every team who is clearly out of the playoffs does, every year. Tank moves are deliberately holding players out of the lineup who might help it, trading a good goalie for a worse one, and so on. They are comparatively rare in hockey, but they have happened.
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    Subban

    It's tanking when you just make up definitions of words to suit your argument and then get mad at everyone for not just accepting your new definition. Teams out of the playoffs trade players to teams in the playoffs every year. Hell, Ottawa didn't have a first round pick of their own last season so they had huge incentive at least from a PR standpoint to finish out of the cellar and yet they didn't manage to.
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    Subban

    You cannot help yourself from projecting what you believe on to literally everybody else. The Devils are not tanking. They didn't call up Schneider and demote Blackwood. They haven't traded all of those guys away yet - they probably will, but it wouldn't shock me if they made offers to Simmonds and Vatanen to stay, depending on how the rest of the season goes. They didn't hire Nasreddine in order to tank - they could've just kept Hynes for that, if they wanted to. Nasreddine's mandate will not be to deliberately lose games - they could've just hired Horacek or Noel if they wanted to do that, two guys who won't be head coaches again and probably don't want to be. Instructing the coach to lose -that is tanking. You tank when your team is DELIBERATELY TRYING TO LOSE GAMES. THAT IS THE DEFINITION. You don't just get to change the definitions of things because you don't like how things are going. When the Devils call up Schneider and he's posting an .870 in Binghamton, I'll agree, that's what they're doing. Until then, they're going to try to win. They've been a bad team for the first 25 games. If they get some goaltending and the offense can pick up, they may be an okay team for the next 25.
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    Subban

    The Devils aren't tanking the rest of the season. Jesus christ. Anyway, some metrics have Subban as atrocious and some have him as just fine. I don't particularly care for points as a measure of anything - Subban's been unlucky by points, that much should be obvious. He's also been unlucky by goals - the Devils are shooting 5.36% with him on the ice, 9.5% with him off the ice. This has a little to do with him but not very much. Subban's managed to keep R-R pairings afloat territorially, that's usually a pretty good sign. I don't know why they're insisting on going R-R with Subban - he's not an offensive dynamo anymore. If anything, his strength is now defense - they should be putting a lefty with him. He's made some positioning mistakes, as have all the D. I don't think he's washed up by any means, but he's obviously not the great defenseman he once was.
  9. I think he's saying that Matt realized he screwed up when he mentioned that, and therefore he's the idiot in the story, not the child.
  10. The Devils played fine. Marchessault gets a fluke goal off his leg and then a tip goal which goes in a low percentage of the time. I don't know how they broke down so bad on the 4th goal, I can only think that they forgot they were killing a penalty. They were in a road and home back to back which isn't something you win a ton anyway. Referees didn't help - no idea how that's not a major penalty on Carrier, no idea how the hook on Palmieri doesn't get called and then the interference by Palmieri does get called. No idea how the high stick on Palmieri during the power play in the 1st period, right in the eyeline of the ref, doesn't get called. Awful night for the stripes - got lucky to come away with that 2nd goal given how bad they were. The Devils looked fast tonight, faster than Vegas, and that's how they should look. Some goaltending or some goaltending luck would go a long way in games like these.
  11. I don't think you know a whole lot about how 18 year old players typically perform. They do not come into the league as stars very often - Crosby and McDavid did. Hughes is on pace for less than 40 points - this would be the 12th best season in points per game by an 18 year old in the last 15 years. Jack Hughes will be a star player.
  12. Right - I expected Hughes to come in around 40 points and that's where he's at. I feel like people who aren't impressed with him haven't watched enough 18 year old players - yeah, Hischier looked better, but Hischier's first season came mostly as the center for who would turn out to be the league MVP. Hughes has been moved all around this lineup and finally seems to be having some success with Boqvist and Simmonds - that line should stay together.
  13. Taylor Hall has been bad this season - I don't think he's the Devils' best player this year, nor do I think the Devils come out that far behind on a Hall trade if this is Hall's best performance. If it's not and Hall is just dogging it, so be it, but he does not appear to have the speed or power that he had in his MVP season. I mean I also think Shero is a fake tough guy but so are most GMs. Obviously firing the coach after the first game is a smart move, and something Shero should've considered. That way he wouldn't be a fraud. See, i can do this too, it's fun.
  14. You really can't see anything except as a dichotomy, can you? In order to fire the coach, the GM needs a replacement - he doesn't exactly have a simple one at hand, as I doubt anyone on staff will be taking over as head coach. There's people in the organization who've been head coaches. Regardless, whether the person is in the organization or not, It still takes time to set that up, plus the GM would likely want to give the new coach at least a practice before they play a game. There's not a great stretch for a coach firing upcoming - there's either Sunday, Wednesday after next, and then probably the time after that would be the Christmas break. They're not tanking. Jesus christ. They didn't spend all this money this offseason to fvcking tank. Get a grip.
  15. I thought you stopped watching this team way back in October. Firing the coach doesn't fix all of the issues. It will be done if things continue on this course, obviously.
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