nmigliore Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 http://njmg.typepad.com/devilsblog/2009/07...ndy-greene.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestevens Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Beat me to it by one minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Beat me to it by one minute it's cool. I had you both by a couple minutes. I just think so little of Greene I didn't bother making a thread for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdixon14 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Greene should develope some more over time, not a bad kid to have on your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias26 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 That sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils26 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I think that this is a decent signing because we had to have gotten him cheap. If we had qualified him as an RFA, we would have had to offer .66 mil, so I think we can assume that he was signed for less than that. For such an inexpensive price, we can at least give Greene a few more years to grow and see what we can make of him. However, if the deal is too long, then everything I just said is negated and the deal sucks; hopefully it's no more than 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devs4LIFE Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Put him in Lowell where he'll actually be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRASHER Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 This is a good day as once again Section 209 chant the mighty name... ANDY GREENE!!!! ANDY GREENE!!!!!!!!! Ah, good times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Cup= ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravityFat Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 meh. i hope he is worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias26 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) Cup= ours. lol, nice. Edited July 1, 2009 by Elias26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallidevils Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) this was lou's big surprise. the surprise being that this contract is probably for 2 million/season to reward his loyalty Edited July 1, 2009 by metallidevils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I like him, and still think he will be good. Glad to hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster13 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Ends up signing for 2 years/$1.475mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 So I'll go out on a limb and say this deal has been effectively finalized for awhile but they hadn't gotten everyone together to finalize the legalize and sign until today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils26 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Ends up signing for 2 years/$1.475mil. Why didn't we just give him a qualifying offer? It would have been cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallidevils Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Why didn't we just give him a qualifying offer? It would have been cheaper. don't question lou he has a master plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Why didn't we just give him a qualifying offer? It would have been cheaper. That would have been a 1 year deal. If Greene puts together a decent season this coming year then he'd get a big raise next offseason. This is both sides hedging their bets, Greene loses some upside in return for guaranteed cash and the Devils have to spend a little more per season but lock in a low rate for a guy with some potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) I like him, and still think he will be good. Glad to hear it. OMG halfshark -- your avatar is so cute! Can I tell you all my baby catbird story - I told that somewhere here right? and that I now have hummingbirds visiting? adn teh ruffian blue jay brood is STILL hanging around - but they didnt' kill my babies so I love them all... wait a sec what's this thread about.. oh yeah... our stellar defence... woohoo Andy Greene... Edited July 1, 2009 by Pepperkorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils26 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) That would have been a 1 year deal. If Greene puts together a decent season this coming year then he'd get a big raise next offseason. This is both sides hedging their bets, Greene loses some upside in return for guaranteed cash and the Devils have to spend a little more per season but lock in a low rate for a guy with some potential. That's a good point. The only thing I wonder is that it seems like Lou was afraid to committ either way. He didn't give Greene a long enough deal to really show that he is optimistic about him improving, yet still paid more and for more years than the qualifying offer would have been. If anything, he has regressed over the past year; I don't see why we would bank on him to be a good d-man. don't question lou he has a master plan He's obviously knows hockey better than I do, but some of his moves are just very baffling. Edited July 1, 2009 by devils26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 That's a good point. The only thing I wonder is that it seems like Lou was afraid to committ either way. He didn't give Greene a long enough deal to really show that he is optimistic about him improving, yet still paid more and for more years than the qualifying offer would have been. Lou only paid ~.2% more of the cap to get the deal extended for 2 years as opposed to doing the 1 year qualifying offer deal. So Lou traded ~.2% of the this years cap to gamble on getting a really good deal next season's cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias26 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Don't know why Lou felt he had to do this. If he did end up having a break out year then sign him for a longer contract and give him what he is worth. I don't think they will have to worry about that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallidevils Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I was wrong, the big surprise is that we have 750k locked up in a career AHLer for 2010-2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils26 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Lou only paid ~.2% more of the cap to get the deal extended for 2 years as opposed to doing the 1 year qualifying offer deal. So Lou traded ~.2% of the this years cap to gamble on getting a really good deal next season's cap. I definitely see your point, but what if Greene doesn't improve during the 09-10 season, just as in 08-09? Then we have another 7/8 d-man on the cap. He hasn't really shown that he will be improve so much that he will be worth much more than .737 mil in 10-11. The way I look at it is that if he does not improve, we wasted an extra year on him. If he does improve, how much will he improve by? Will the discount we get by having him in 10-11 for .737mil be worth the risk of having him on the team for the next two years at that price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I definitely see your point, but what if Greene doesn't improve during the 09-10 season, just as in 08-09? Then we have another 7/8 d-man on the cap. He hasn't really shown that he will be improve so much that he will be worth much more than .737 mil in 10-11.The way I look at it is that if he does not improve, we wasted an extra year on him. If he does improve, how much will he improve by? Will the discount we get by having him in 10-11 for .737mil be worth the risk of having him on the team for the next two years at that price? If he doesn't work out you can just send him to the AHL. VBK can afford a 750k guy in the minors for 1 season if it makes a difference for the NHL team. Considering how much defenseman get paid when they become UFA's almost any serviceable NHL guy makes at least twice what Greene will be paid these 2 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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