SatansDevils Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I would have liked a little more than a 3rd rounder but if Matvichuck is ready to go and will play like he did toward the end of last season, it had to be done. Hope he (Hale) doesn't turn out to be another Souray. Man lets hope Matvitchuk is ready to comeback and is healthy. That would suck to see Hale turn out to be really good. He will do well Hale but he won't be a Souray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruM Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 we had to give hale & a 5th to get a 3rd?? LL must really have had no bargaining room... I would think Hale alone couldhave gotten a 3rd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) Oh yeah, I guess this is the cap space for Matvichuk. They needed to clear up 1.36 M / 3, which they did. I like our team better with Matvichuk than Hale for sure, and we still have Greene. skeeter, Sheldon Souray's transformation is quite possibly the most unpredictable event in recent memory. Souray wasn't even a scorer in the WHL - it's a total fluke, and he's still hurting the Habs defensively. It's worth noting that David Hale still hasn't scored an NHL goal. Edited February 27, 2007 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Sutter said Its Hale for a 3rd and a 5th, not Hale and a 5th whatever, as of now its just a bag of pucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Other teams have seen what we've seen and the extent to which Hale regressed this year, he honestly wasn't worth much more than that at this point IMO and he wasn't helping out this year's team. Lou did him a favor as much as anything getting him out though, at least he'll get a shot in Calgary and for another defensive system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman441 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Its Hale for a 3rd and a 5th, not Hale and a 5th whatever, as of now its just a bag of pucks He misspoke then as on the TSN trade center it's Hale and a 5th for a 3rd round pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 so its not possible its a mistype on TSN? when the guy who did the deal is saying its something else? either way its no big deal, I doubt this 5th round pick turns out to be Gretzky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman441 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 That's possible but I don;t think I heard the TSN guy say anything about future considerations so I think he just misspoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefiestygoat Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 So I guess Matvichuk will be able to start playing now right? I liked Hale a lot and I wish him well but it just wasn't gonna work out here. I also wouldn't mind Lou taking that extra pick and using it to move up in the draft since he has no first round picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 i don't see how matvichuk can come in and play. I thought with hale we were right up against the cap, and we've accrued very little over the course of the year. Matvichuk makes like 600,00-800,000 more per year, so that would put us over i would think. I think if we play brooks for the next 10-20 games, then we could bring in matvichuk to replace him and work under the cap. anybody have a better idea as to the numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) i don't see how matvichuk can come in and play. I thought with hale we were right up against the cap, and we've accrued very little over the course of the year. Matvichuk makes like 600,00-800,000 more per year, so that would put us over i would think. I think if we play brooks for the next 10-20 games, then we could bring in matvichuk to replace him and work under the cap.anybody have a better idea as to the numbers? No, the way it works is that we only have to have enough space left for Matvichuk's remaining contract. Ergo, Matvichuk making 1.368, can slide in for Hale's 550K, with no problem, because Matvichuk is only due to make about 400-450K more this season. EDIT - I was kind of hoping Lou would deal Matvichuk - I don't think he fits in for next season. I'd like to see Lukowich back for 2/3, personally, but I guess that just may not be in the cards - I prefer Lukowich's increased mobility. Edited February 27, 2007 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 but hale was only due to make 200-300 more this season, and that barely fit under the cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMONPETEYD Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Where you are wrong is that Hale wasnt't set to make 550K the rest of the year, maybe only 125 K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 but hale was only due to make 200-300 more this season, and that barely fit under the cap It's a running total - this is the only way teams can afford to load up at the deadline as they do. Do you think Detroit really had 5M under the cap all year? Or that NJ could add Wiemer, Klee, and Lukowich while only subtracting Sean Brown last season? If you acquire a player during the season, you're only the hook for his remaining contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMONPETEYD Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Right, but Hales 125 - 135 K (1/4 of 550) against the 400K that Matvichuk is owed.... it doesnt fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyNice Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 We have 19 games left. Matvichuck costs 316,976. Hale would cost 127,439. Plus we have been earning credits by only playing with the minimum roster all season. I don't know what the number is but it should be close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Good luck to Hale in Calgary- it wasn't working out here, and it wasn't going to work out. We can now bring Matvichuk off of LTI. Mission accomplished. Good job Lou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 yeah i know it's a running total, and i was under the impression that with hale at 600k we were right up against the cap, so to play matvichuk the rest of the year at 1.2 would put us over since we haven't accrued enough cap space this year. I think the only way it can work is if we put in brooks for 400k for 10-20 games then hopefully we will have accrued enough space to bring in matvichuk for the rest of the regular season. I don't have the numbers but I'm saying if we bring in matvichuk now we will be over the cap for the season within a number of games I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatansDevils Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 To start with Lou and the Devils had some money remaining under the cap, not knowing how much, so Matvitchuk will fit under the cap if he even comes back before the playoffs. The Devils were not maxed out to the cap figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flames Fan Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Thanks for all the info on Hale. Good Luck in the playoffs.. See you in the Finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) We have 19 games left. Matvichuck costs 316,976. Hale would cost 127,439. Plus we have been earning credits by only playing with the minimum roster all season. I don't know what the number is but it should be close. ok that's pretty close edit: i think we were 50,000 less than the cap for the year, so that makes us $609.75 under the cap per game. Does anyone else know if that's correct? if it is then we have only $38,414.25 to work with Edited February 27, 2007 by halfsharkalligatorhalfman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section 110 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 You think Lou doesn't have this all thought out? Of course Matvichuk can come back. Of course we will be under the cap. I'm not going to try to analyze whether we will make it or not - that's Lou's job and I'm just drinkin' the kool aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Thanks for all the info on Hale. Good Luck in the playoffs.. See you in the Finals. Same to you bro. Hale still has upside, but he was regressing here. He just wasn't part of our future. He might turn out okay for you. Best of luck. You think Lou doesn't have this all thought out? Of course Matvichuk can come back. Of course we will be under the cap. I'm not going to try to analyze whether we will make it or not - that's Lou's job and I'm just drinkin' the kool aid. We'll here an announcement that Matvichuk has been activated by no later than Friday. Book it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatansDevils Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Thanks for all the info on Hale. Good Luck in the playoffs.. See you in the Finals. You to Flames fan. Good luck to you guys there. Hale will do good for you guys. Lots of luck and maybe we just might see you in the Finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDJR41 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Screw Matvichuk. Call up Greene and end the madness, that's my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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