New York Mets Offseason Thread

[Devils731]

Perez doesn't stink. He's not an all-star either. He'll give you some really nice starts and some really bad starts and throw 180 innings for you. That's not stinking for today's starting pitchers.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Cause he stinks. He is likely to blow up every time he goes up there. He is unreliable and if things aren't going perfectly he's a disaster. This is a stupid contract and the only reason the Mets gave it is because they are desperate for arms.

He doesn't stink. That's a little harsh.

It's not a great deal though. Omar probably could've waited him out even longer if he wanted to. If Ollie doesn't get off to a good start next year the fans are going to be on him big time, because I think the reactions to his re-signing range from "meh" to "this could be a disaster". I think we'd have to search long and hard to find Met fans who are thrilled that Ollie's coming back at $39 million for 3 years.

What started out as a strong offseason has ended with a big-time thud. This team isn't as good as the Phillies, and won't be unless Omar makes a deal during the season. This has become a big-time "if" team, where if all of the "ifs" come true then MAYBE this team gives the Phillies a fight. But when a team has many "ifs" as this one does, it's extremely rare that they all come true, so I'll be stunned if this group wins 90. Like I said before...this team has 84-78 written all over it.

[nmigliore]

Cause he stinks. He is likely to blow up every time he goes up there. He is unreliable and if things aren't going perfectly he's a disaster. This is a stupid contract and the only reason the Mets gave it is because they are desperate for arms.

He can be very dominant when he has his stuff going. He needs to cut down on his walks and pitch more consistently and not get so rattled when he struggles.. He also seems to take the lower division teams lightly for some reason..Yet he shuts down the Phillies and Yankees, and some other top tier teams (or at least in 2008 he did)

Perez will win 10+ games this year, but he needs to really cut down on his walks if he wants to become a legitimate 15 game winner like he was 2007 (in 2007 he walked 79 batters, opposed to 105 in 2008)

Well it looks like the rotation is done.. heres what I think the rotation will be..

-Santana

-Pelfrey

-Perez

-Maine

-Redding

(Im almost sure Niese will at least start in AAA unless he is just pure dominance in ST, and I dont think Garcia will beat Redden for the 5th spot in the rotation)

[NJDevs4978]

He doesn't stink. That's a little harsh.

It's not a great deal though. Omar probably could've waited him out even longer if he wanted to. If Ollie doesn't get off to a good start next year the fans are going to be on him big time, because I think the reactions to his re-signing range from "meh" to "this could be a disaster". I think we'd have to search long and hard to find Met fans who are thrilled that Ollie's coming back at $39 million for 3 years.

What started out as a strong offseason has ended with a big-time thud. This team isn't as good as the Phillies, and won't be unless Omar makes a deal during the season. This has become a big-time "if" team, where if all of the "ifs" come true then MAYBE this team gives the Phillies a fight. But when a team has many "ifs" as this one does, it's extremely rare that they all come true, so I'll be stunned if this group wins 90. Like I said before...this team has 84-78 written all over it.

Pitchers and catchers report next Saturday iirc...how long was Omar (or players that are still UFA) supposed to wait? Something had to give soon, especially if there are moves still to be made though I'm not sure any will be of the splashy variety.

I think they both compromised a little, Ollie and Boras came off the fourth year and Omar added another couple million per year to his initial offer. It's hard to say what teams did and didn't offer to Ollie, all we know is that there were no reported offers of any kind that got leaked.

The argument Met management would make to you or me about your second paragraph is: same lineup, same rotation, and a much better bullpen from last year's 89-win team. And Jerry for a full season instead of having Willie ruin half a season.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Pitchers and catchers report next Saturday iirc...how long was Omar (or players that are still UFA) supposed to wait? Something had to give soon, especially if there are moves still to be made though I'm not sure any will be of the splashy variety.

I think they both compromised a little, Ollie and Boras came off the fourth year and Omar added another couple million per year to his initial offer. It's hard to say what teams did and didn't offer to Ollie, all we know is that there were no reported offers of any kind that got leaked.

The argument Met management would make to you or me about your second paragraph is: same lineup, same rotation, and a much better bullpen from last year's 89-win team. And Jerry for a full season instead of having Willie ruin half a season.

If Oliver came to camp a week or two late it probably wouldn't have been the end of the world. There's still quite a few UFAs out there that are higher profile than Ollie, so if he had to wait, so be it. I'm not sure how much cheaper Omar could have gone though. If there was any real interest in Ollie from other teams we would have heard SOMETHING...reporters seem to be glued to the free-agent scene more than ever, waiting for something to spill.

And here's the argument we would likely present to the Mets (I think we're pretty much in the same camp regarding this team):

Do you really think Delgado will repeat what he did last season?

Outside of Santana, who else in the rotation is a sure thing?

Do you expect a LF tandem of Tatis and Murphy to be productive? Can Tatis really match last year's production?

Did we already see the best of Ryan Church last season, before he got hurt? Does he even want to be here?

Do you really want to count on needing production from Luis Castillo?

Willie not being around for half a season is definitely a bonus. Everyone except racial crusader Omar knew that at the beginning of last year.

There's just too many damn question marks, and too much reliance on players either matching or exceeding what they did last season. Joe and Evan have mentioned that they heard that the Mets *might* have interest in Orlando Hudson. Dare to dream...

[nmigliore]

If Oliver came to camp a week or two late it probably wouldn't have been the end of the world. There's still quite a few UFAs out there that are higher profile than Ollie, so if he had to wait, so be it. I'm not sure how much cheaper Omar could have gone though. If there was any real interest in Ollie from other teams we would have heard SOMETHING...reporters seem to be glued to the free-agent scene more than ever, waiting for something to spill.

And here's the argument we would likely present to the Mets (I think we're pretty much in the same camp regarding this team):

Do you really think Delgado will repeat what he did last season? he'll be fine but not as much production as last year

Outside of Santana, who else in the rotation is a sure thing? Nobody.. honestly.. Maine is a big question mark.. Will Pelf' have good success again? Can Ollie finally find his control and stop being that inconsistent #3/#4? How much will Redding or Garcia do at the back end? Too many questions..

Do you expect a LF tandem of Tatis and Murphy to be productive? Can Tatis really match last year's production? Tatis = not likely although hes done solid in winter ball, Murphy = possibly, but i see his average dropping from .313 over a full season for sure.

Did we already see the best of Ryan Church last season, before he got hurt? Does he even want to be here?As hasan pointed out awhile ago he'll probably be in between of what he was at the beginning of '08 and end of '08.. which IMO, is CERTAINLY NOT enough from our corner outfielders..

Do you really want to count on needing production from Luis Castillo? Have to. This team is not trading or cutting him.. at least not until we see what he can do 1/3 thru the season or so..

Willie not being around for half a season is definitely a bonus. Everyone except racial crusader Omar knew that at the beginning of last year.

There's just too many damn question marks, and too much reliance on players either matching or exceeding what they did last season. Joe and Evan have mentioned that they heard that the Mets *might* have interest in Orlando Hudson. Dare to dream... lol they have no special sources, they just watched MLB Network's Hot Stove last night in which Hudson said hes had talks with Yanks, Mets, Nats, and Dodgers.. The only likely suitor there is the Nats, possibly the Dodgers.. But the Mets wont get involved because they cant move Luis and the Yanks are committed to Cano

[Triumph]

ugh it is incredibly annoying when people post in another person's quote. not only is it impossible to read, it's impossible to quote.

pelfrey and maine are solid pitchers. no they're not 'sure things', but no pitcher is a sure thing. with perez in there you've got the makings of a solid rotation. put another way, do you really take the phillies rotation over the mets? hamels, great - then moyer who can break down any minute, brett myers who's halfway decent, and a lot of dross? throw in some regression by that bullpen, the downgrade from burrell to ibanez, ryan howard's steadily declining output - philadelphia's not looking that great. and they only beat out the mets by one game.

of course the mets still need an outfielder. but i suspect they're not going to address that.

Edited February 3, 2009 by Triumph

[nmigliore]

ugh it is incredibly annoying when people post in another person's quote. not only is it impossible to read, it's impossible to quote.

pelfrey and maine are solid pitchers. no they're not 'sure things', but no pitcher is a sure thing. with perez in there you've got the makings of a solid rotation. put another way, do you really take the phillies rotation over the mets? hamels, great - then moyer who can break down any minute, brett myers who's halfway decent, and a lot of dross? throw in some regression by that bullpen, the downgrade from burrell to ibanez, ryan howard's steadily declining output - philadelphia's not looking too hot.

lol impossible to read? my replies are in bold and clearly readable, and it easier to do that way.. I dont see a reason to quote it anyway since you are replying to CR's post (i think?), but whatever..

I never said this rotation is as uncertain as Philly's (neither did CR i believe).. I'd say we have a better rotation for sure, but our offense is a question.. CR brings up all the questions about the offense.. and Burrell to Ibanez is not a downgrade (maybe in 2 years you can say that when hes broken down):

Pat Burrell 2008: .250/.367/.507/.875 , 33 HR , 86 RBI .. 34.6 VORP

Raul Ibanez 2008: .293/.358/.479/.837 , 23 HR , 110 RBI .. 38.6 VORP

^ So basically Pat had a slightly better OBP.. the higher slugging numbers, OPS are due to being in a such a hitter's park (never watch much AL baseball, but i dont think Seattle is as big a hitter's park as Philly, is it?).. To me that just looks like Pat taking advantage of being in a hitters park.. So how is Raul a downgrade? Is it his age; do you think he wont put up solid numbers (which would not make much sense considering the dude has been extremely consistent for awhile now)? They both are crap fielders.. If anything its a small but solid upgrade IMO, but of course the contract was just plain stupid.

As for Howard, I'm not sure where he is going to be honest.. Ill comment on that after next season

(edit: wow just watched the SNY presser of Ollie.. Omar pretty much said hes not going to make any more moves.. i wouldnt say its 100%, but its up there)

Edited February 3, 2009 by nmigliore

[NJDevs4978]

And here's the argument we would likely present to the Mets (I think we're pretty much in the same camp regarding this team):

Do you really think Delgado will repeat what he did last season?

Outside of Santana, who else in the rotation is a sure thing?

Do you expect a LF tandem of Tatis and Murphy to be productive? Can Tatis really match last year's production?

Did we already see the best of Ryan Church last season, before he got hurt? Does he even want to be here?

Do you really want to count on needing production from Luis Castillo?

I actually agree with much of what lol posted, but I'll add that my main concern with this team is purely psychological. We're clearly not good enough to run away with this division the way we did in '06, so how will this team react to another September pennant race? With the exact same core and no significant everyday additions, why should I believe they'll do any better in the clutch than they have the last two (really three) years?

To touch on the pitching specifically for a second though...I would count on Pelfrey if it wasn't for the innings thing, he way exceeded his career high last year and usually there's some kind of downturn when that happens. I actually do think Maine will bounce back and he was pitching hurt a lot of last year. Ollie - I'd think his numbers'll be more in line with his season last year than two or five years ago but what happens if he stops responding to Warthen?

And also you have to be a little bit concerned with the WBC and all the Mets that are participating. Wright, Reyes, Delgado, Beltran, Santana, K-Rod, Putz and that's just off the top of my head.

Edited February 3, 2009 by Hasan4978

[Triumph]

lol impossible to read? my replies are in bold and clearly readable, and it easier to do that way.. I dont see a reason to quote it anyway since you are replying to CR's post (i think?), but whatever..

read it again and compare it to this post. it's a mess.

I never said this rotation is as uncertain as Philly's (neither did CR i believe).. I'd say we have a better rotation for sure, but our offense is a question.. CR brings up all the questions about the offense.. and Burrell to Ibanez is not a downgrade (maybe in 2 years you can say that when hes broken down):

Pat Burrell 2008: .250/.367/.507/.875 , 33 HR , 86 RBI .. 34.6 VORP

Raul Ibanez 2008: .293/.358/.479/.837 , 23 HR , 110 RBI .. 38.6 VORP

^ So basically Pat had a slightly better OBP.. the higher slugging numbers, OPS are due to being in a such a hitter's park (never watch much AL baseball, but i dont think Seattle is as big a hitter's park as Philly, is it?).. To me that just looks like Pat taking advantage of being in a hitters park.. So how is Raul a downgrade? Is it his age; do you think he wont put up solid numbers (which would not make much sense considering the dude has been extremely consistent for awhile now)? They both are crap fielders.. If anything its a small but solid upgrade IMO, but of course the contract was just plain stupid.

raul is a downgrade because of age and because he is another left-handed hitter in a lineup full of them. ryan howard is so terrible against left-handed pitching that he shouldn't even play against them, ever, because he's a brutal fielder as well - having ibanez in the middle of the lineup just means more situational lefties against howard in close and late situations, or an inefficient lineup construction.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

ugh it is incredibly annoying when people post in another person's quote. not only is it impossible to read, it's impossible to quote.

pelfrey and maine are solid pitchers. no they're not 'sure things', but no pitcher is a sure thing. with perez in there you've got the makings of a solid rotation. put another way, do you really take the phillies rotation over the mets? hamels, great - then moyer who can break down any minute, brett myers who's halfway decent, and a lot of dross? throw in some regression by that bullpen, the downgrade from burrell to ibanez, ryan howard's steadily declining output - philadelphia's not looking that great. and they only beat out the mets by one game.

of course the mets still need an outfielder. but i suspect they're not going to address that.

Pelfrey's got exactly 2/3rds of a solid season under his belt. I can't anoint him as "solid" just yet. Ditto Maine, who's coming off an injury. One thing Omar has at least done has improved the depth of starting pitchers, so when someone goes down (as someone likely will), they won't have to call up guys like Jose Lima and Brian Lawrence. And yeah, it looks like the Mets are going to stay put in the outfield, although there's upgrades out there (Abreu, Dunn) available at a reasonable cost.

I thought you were nuts when you referred to "ryan howard's steadily declining output" but when I took a look at his stats you're right, in that his BA, OB%, and SLG% have all been on the decline for three straight years. He still hits HRs and drives in runs (lots of 'em), but it seems like he's either hitting HRs or doubles or not hitting at all.

[nmigliore]

raul is a downgrade because of age

His contract is risky and pretty stupid considering how the OF market turned out, but, he has hit very consistently over his career: at least a .280 batting average dating back to his KC days in 2001.

raul is a downgrade because of age and because he is another left-handed hitter in a lineup full of them. ryan howard is so terrible against left-handed pitching that he shouldn't even play against them, ever, because he's a brutal fielder as well - having ibanez in the middle of the lineup just means more situational lefties against howard in close and late situations, or an inefficient lineup construction.

true about a stack of lefty hitters i guess, but Ibanez hit .305 avg (.368 obp) vs LHP last year (which was higher than his avg/obp vs RHP, believe it or not). And the whole thing with Howard has always been like that with lefty specialists coming in in big spots and getting him out.. If you are trying to say its a simple job if a lefty comes in to face Howard and Ibanez (needing 2 outs), but it still wont be easy to get them out; Of course, again, Howard sucks vs LHP but Ibanez was not bothered by lefty/righty splits last year

And also you have to be a little bit concerned with the WBC and all the Mets that are participating. Wright, Reyes, Delgado, Beltran, Santana, K-Rod, Putz and that's just off the top of my head.

Yeah i dont like that either.. they really should keep Santana out of it at least...

Edited February 3, 2009 by nmigliore

[Triumph]

His contract is risky and pretty stupid considering how the OF market turned out, but, he has hit very consistently over his career: at least a .280 batting average dating back to his KC days in 2001.

True, but again, he's old. You never know when that season is coming when his skills simply decline.

true about a stack of lefty hitters i guess, but Ibanez hit .305 avg (.368 obp) vs LHP last year (which was higher than his avg/obp vs RHP, believe it or not). And the whole thing with Howard has always been like that with lefty specialists coming in in big spots and getting him out.. If you are trying to say its a simple job if a lefty comes in to face Howard and Ibanez (needing 2 outs), but it still wont be easy to get them out; Of course, again, Howard sucks vs LHP but Ibanez was not bothered by lefty/righty splits last year.

Over the course of his career, Ibanez has a 733 OPS against left-handers and an 849 OPS against right-handers. In 2007, he had a 650 OPS against left-handed pitching, so I'm hesitant to call 2008 a new-found ability to his lefties. Even so, having a guy like Burrell around was nice because Burrell absolutely rakes against lefties with a 950 OPS. Basically, of course a left-handed specialist is going to come in against Howard, but at least with some lineup constructions, he couldn't stay in for an entire inning. Now managers won't hesitate to leave in a lefty against the middle of Philadelphia's lineup.

The Phillies should try to find a platoon guy for Ryan Howard but we know they won't do that. You Mets fans should be PRAYING that the Phillies sign him to a long-term extension - this guy's got Mo Vaughn's career flameout written all over him.

[nmigliore]

True, but again, he's old. You never know when that season is coming when his skills simply decline.

Yeah thats certainly true but at least for them there has been no indication of decline (yet), and even if his average and obp does go down like Andruw Jones' did (it wasn't high but it dropped .40 points from 2006 to 2007), he'll still find a way to whack out 20+ HRs/70+ RBI in that ballpark.. I dont think he'll just hit a complete wall in 2009 and bat below .250, but again even if he does, I still expect him to be pretty productive in that ballpark for a couple of years (2 year deal for Ibanez in that park is a great move, but I think 3 is certainly pushing it and taking a risk, even though its only a 1 year difference he might not be able to hit sh!t by his 3rd year).

The Phillies should try to find a platoon guy for Ryan Howard but we know they won't do that. You Mets fans should be PRAYING that the Phillies sign him to a long-term extension - this guy's got Mo Vaughn's career flameout written all over him.

Oliver Perez ate this guy up, as he did with the whole Philly lineup (i think the ERA was 0.35 vs PHI in 3 starts this year LOL). I think the Phils will stick with Howard as long as he is able to maintain a respectable .240-.250 average because he has so much power, and in that ballpark its almost too easy for him.. Its kinda funny, Howard was destined for a .220-.230 avg until he went on a rampage in September (.352 avg) which brought his avg up to .251 on the year. And I actually think this guy will be WORSE than Vaughn; Vaughn struck out 153 times per year, while Howard meanwhile is averaging 196 K's per year, ouch.. Vaughn also had a great batting average for the most of his career until 2002-2003. Howard has only hit over .300 once in his first 5 seasons, its not likely to ever get there again, or at least on a consistent basis like Vaughn's did from 1994-1998

Edited February 3, 2009 by nmigliore

[metallidevils]

So, anyone else think this season is going to be a disaster?

[nmigliore]

So, anyone else think this season is going to be a disaster?

If you think an 85-90 win team is a disaster.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

If you think an 85-90 win team is a disaster.

It won't be about the win total. It will be about this team's ability to win meaningful games in September and get into the playoffs. If they win 86 games and find their way in, we'll all be ecstatic about it, even though technically they'll be three games worse than last year's team.

What worries me is that I don't think this group is good enough to win without other teams sliding back. Maybe this team has a shot at the division or wild card if 88 wins is enough to get it done, but if the Phillies or some wild card contender can get to 90+ I don't think this group can match that. So basically:

Team wins 87 or so and gets in: we're all happy.

Team wins 87 or so and falls short: we're all pissed and we'll all feel Omar didn't do enough to improve the team. As of this moment I'm leaning toward the latter.

Edited February 4, 2009 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[nmigliore]

It won't be about the win total. It will be about this team's ability to win meaningful games in September and get into the playoffs. If they win 86 games and find their way in, we'll all be ecstatic about it, even though technically they'll be three games worse than last year's team.

What worries me is that I don't think this group is good enough to win without other teams sliding back. Maybe this team has a shot at the division or wild card if 88 wins is enough to get it done, but if the Phillies or some wild card contender can get to 90+ I don't think this group can match that. So basically:

Team wins 87 or so and gets in: we're all happy.

Team wins 87 or so and falls short: we're all pissed and we'll all feel Omar didn't do enough to improve the team. As of this moment I'm leaning toward the latter.

This team in the playoffs should be fine.. Philly won the WS using a rotation that was of lesser quality than ours currently.. Of course they got some help by having the big dog Cubs eliminated in the NLDS and teams like the Angels or Redsox never made it to the WS, not to take anything away from the Rays but i gotta believe the fall classic would've been different if it was Angels/Phils or Sox/Phils. But anyway, hopefully the offense does its job; we finished 2nd in the NL in scoring runs last year IIRC, i'd expect us to slide down from that though unless Delgado has 2008 all over again, but the offense still should be quality enough..

There is always the trade deadline too.. i gotta believe Omar wont be so hesitant this time around if there is a position he needs to fill.. we all saw what happened when he didn't address the bullpen at the deadline (i know CR you will say there was nothing available, but I know Jon Rauch was traded, and I would've been fine with acquiring him at the least to help out this bullpen).. Not acquiring a corner OF didn't hurt that bad since Tatis thrived and Murphy was terrific (although Church really wasn't too good), but again maybe if they added a bat they would've made it the playoffs.. if this team needs a piece at the deadline they NEED to get it, no if's and's or but's this year.

btw this team still needs another LHP for the bullpen; is Joe Beimel still available? If so i dont see why the Mets shouldn't sign him and strengthen this bullpen even more. Its not like they would be saving that 2-4 million for a batter.

Edited February 4, 2009 by nmigliore

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

nmig, we went through the Rauch scenario last season. Suffice it to say he stunk up the joint after the deal (6.56 ERA, 6 HRs in 23.1 IP of work with Arizona), so he probably wouldn't have helped much...if anything, he would have fit right in!

This is a big season for Omar. Clearly the team has been better since his arrival, but they've stagnated. The Mets can't afford to miss the playoffs (or, heaven forbid, collapse) for a third straight season. If there's a weakness that's holding this team back come the trade deadline, and Omar wants to prove that he's the genius he seems to think he is, then he'll need to find a way to get his team over the hump. For some reason Omar seems to confuse winning a weak 2006 NL East with winning a championship. He comes off as thinking he's achieved much more than he really has.

[nmigliore]

nmig, we went through the Rauch scenario last season. Suffice it to say he stunk up the joint after the deal (6.56 ERA, 6 HRs in 23.1 IP of work with Arizona), so he probably wouldn't have helped much...if anything, he would have fit right in!

This is a big season for Omar. Clearly the team has been better since his arrival, but they've stagnated. The Mets can't afford to miss the playoffs (or, heaven forbid, collapse) for a third straight season. If there's a weakness that's holding this team back come the trade deadline, and Omar wants to prove that he's the genius he seems to think he is, then he'll need to find a way to get his team over the hump. For some reason Omar seems to confuse winning a weak 2006 NL East with winning a championship. He comes off as thinking he's achieved much more than he really has.

fair enough. how about arthur rhodes?

he only pitched in 13 innings for the marlins but finished with a 0.68 ERA, 0 HRs (with seattle he pitched in 22 innings with a 2.86 ERA, 0 HRs).. im sure if the mets brought him he would have helped this bullpen enough to push it into the playoffs; we could've used those 13 innings of great bullpen pitching from a lefty, seriously.. hell, swap in rhodes instead of schoeneweis in that last game and who knows what might've happened.

not sure about other relievers that were traded, the only 2 off of my head were rauch and rhodes. i thought rauch did better in arizona, i guess not, he seemed to own the mets everytime he pitched vs them for washington (that and he was having a great year; 2.98 ERA in 48 IP for washington before being dealt to arizona)

edit: just looking over rauch's numbers.. he walked only 7 in that time frame, yet he walked 9 in less than half that time frame.. 5 HRs with washington, 6 with arizona.. 16 ER with washington, 17 with arizona.. the only thing he seemed to keep up was his strikeouts.. very strange, he couldn't have gotten tired, could he?

Edited February 4, 2009 by nmigliore

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

fair enough. how about arthur rhodes?

he only pitched in 13 innings for the marlins but finished with a 0.68 ERA, 0 HRs (with seattle he pitched in 22 innings with a 2.86 ERA, 0 HRs).. im sure if the mets brought him he would have helped this bullpen enough to push it into the playoffs; we could've used those 13 innings of great bullpen pitching from a lefty, seriously.. hell, swap in rhodes instead of schoeneweis in that last game and who knows what might've happened.

not sure about other relievers that were traded, the only 2 off of my head were rauch and rhodes. i thought rauch did better in arizona, i guess not, he seemed to own the mets everytime he pitched vs them for washington (that and he was having a great year; 2.98 ERA in 48 IP for washington before being dealt to arizona)

That's just it, with Rauch. Guy wasn't pitching with any pressure in Washington. Get some of these guys in playoff races and they wilt.

With Rhodes, who knows? 13 innings isn't much, and yeah, the Mets could've used thirteen good innings from ANYBODY, but why dwell on what happened last year? What happened happened. Do you want to relive it? I sure don't!

I remember that the Phils got Scott Eyre as a "why not?" kind of acquisition, and he wound up doing well for them (as did every reliever who put on a Phillies uniform, or so it seemed). The Yankees brought in Damaso Marte (part of the Nady deal)...he didn't do much for them. Those are a couple more.

[nmigliore]

That's just it, with Rauch. Guy wasn't pitching with any pressure in Washington. Get some of these guys in playoff races and they wilt.

With Rhodes, who knows? 13 innings isn't much, and yeah, the Mets could've used thirteen good innings from ANYBODY, but why dwell on what happened last year? What happened happened. Do you want to relive it? I sure don't!

I remember that the Phils got Scott Eyre as a "why not?" kind of acquisition, and he wound up doing well for them (as did every reliever who put on a Phillies uniform, or so it seemed). The Yankees brought in Damaso Marte (part of the Nady deal)...he didn't do much for them. Those are a couple more.

Nah I'm not trying to dwell on it, I'm just saying there were some arms out there he could've gotten to help out the bullpen at the deadline

Eyre was never given much a chance by the Cubs last year; he had 3 bad outings (2 in June, 1 awful one in July): http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=3708 .. they seemed to just throw him aside pretty fast; in fact he pitched in more innings with Philly than he did with Chicago.

I also noticed he didn't pitch until mid-May.. that just shows you how careless Chicago was with him, unless he was injured

Edited February 4, 2009 by nmigliore

[Devils Pride 26]

Omar is assuming way too much out of this roster and that's what is disapointing to me. We all know what happens when you assume.

[nmigliore]

Sheets might need surgery.. looks like the Ollie signing was smart by Omar after all.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Sheets might need surgery.. looks like the Ollie signing was smart by Omar after all.

This is why I wanted no part of that guy, even if he's good when healthy. The guy's made of teflon.