Amberite Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 I can't help but feel for MacLean though. This guy has waited SO long for this, and not only did everything go wrong, but he will be remembered as the coach who ended a 14 year playoff run. And the saddest thing is that it will be remembered as solely his fault, where in reality he got very little support from the players, and some horrendous luck to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 this, and it takes forever for a defenseman to develop. if we have to wait 6 years for the guy to become a 3 wins a year player, that's too long. the hole is so deep that we might end up with that player anyway, since it's not like a lot of our players won't be gone at the deadline. I actually agree with this. As much as everybody is pining for Larrson, the Devils have some defense prospects coming up soon in Merrill, Urbom, Burlon who all look to have a significant degree of promise to each of themselves. Devils likely arent going to finish out of the Top 8 or so anyway and there's some good forward prospects in the Top 15 range, guys like Ambroz, Landeskog, Armia, Nugent-Hopkins, Rask, a few others, as well as some second-tier defensive guys with some raw skills that need some polish in Musil, etc. I'd rather the Devils play some competitive hockey, because this has been painful to watch to lately and Jacques knows his sh!t. It's amazing how many people were crapping on him the end of last year, and if anything, we found it Jacques wasnt the problem, not by a longshot. My guess, is in the offseason Lou will look to right a wrong and maybe bring in a Therrien or Haviland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 At least the Devils aren't boring. Welcome back, Billy Martin ... er I mean Jacques. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyFan42 Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Langenbrunner is probably getting traded once the freeze is lifted. I can't see these two co-existing. I don't disagree, but Lou couldn't even get anyone to take Rolston for free. What makes you think he can pull off a trade for Langenbrunner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Now we'll see whether it was the coach or the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 (edited) I can't help but feel for MacLean though. This guy has waited SO long for this, and not only did everything go wrong, but he will be remembered as the coach who ended a 14 year playoff run. And the saddest thing is that it will be remembered as solely his fault, where in reality he got very little support from the players, and some horrendous luck to boot. I don't feel bad for him. He did this to himself by donning a Rangers uniform the end of his career. Edited December 23, 2010 by coldply123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 JL is no cureall. He's a bandaid that they were already paying for. but to say that he should never have gotten the boot last year is folly. he was just as much to blame as langenbrunner and his brood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberite Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 He took the single most talented teams we've had post-lockout and drove them to the worst start in franchise history. He gets no pity from me. I'll agree that it was the most talented team post-lockout ON PAPER, but as we've seen, a lot of our players have taken serious steps back / had age catch up with them. It's really not as one-sided as you imply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 he was just as much to blame as langenbrunner and his brood. That's one of the reasons why this move is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devs4LordStanley Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 I can go tonight with a kick in my wheel =D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 I don't disagree, but Lou couldn't even get anyone to take Rolston for free. What makes you think he can pull off a trade for Langenbrunner? A lot of playoff bound teams could use him. Jamie is still excellent on the PK and provided he's got some talented linemates, he'd fit just fine. He's just not the offensive and scoring forward he used to be. He should be able to bring back a 2nd rounder and I'll take it. Teams like the Kings, Avalanche, even the Bruins and a few others could use him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 (edited) From TG... "Lamoriello intended to stick by MacLean but said "the last four or five games" changed mind. Devils lost last three games by combined 15-3" "Lemaire will coach the Devils for the rest of this season and not beyond. " Edited December 23, 2010 by Satans Hockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 TG has tweeted that Lemaire won't coach the team beyond this season. So which former Devils coach will take over next year? Sutter, Robinson, or could it even be Kevin Constantine? Inquiring minds want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 As terrible as this season has been I do feel bad for MacLean, can't be fun losing your first Head Coaching job in the NHL two days before Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 There's some rumors out there that Vanderbeek told Lou that any replacement had to come internally, and he wasn't going to continue to pay off coaches from the payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv4Life Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 I wish this was done about 10 games ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 TG has tweeted that Lemaire won't coach the team beyond this season. So which former Devils coach will take over next year? Sutter, Robinson, or could it even be Kevin Constantine? Inquiring minds want to know. Hitchock, Hartley, Therrien, Haviland are just a few popping out. It's possible Lou won't be here to decide anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 (edited) I think this is what a meeting with Lou is like these days (NSFW): Edited December 23, 2010 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Hitchock, Hartley, Therrien, Haviland are just a few popping out. It's possible Lou won't be here to decide anyway. All those guys have never coached the team before. Hence, they are out of contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 This whole disaster is embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 There's some rumors out there that Vanderbeek told Lou that any replacement had to come internally, and he wasn't going to continue to pay off coaches from the payroll. this is likely just as true as the statement that lemaire made the most sense for where this team is right now. also - gotta give props to Chere who sort of called this two weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devs1965 Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 I hope Lou's meeting with the players is going something like "the only reason I'm firing the coach is because I tried to get rid of you sacks of sh!t and nobody wanted you". Same here that would be what needs to be said. Example Rolston! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberite Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 You're really saying we have bottom-two talent on the ice in the NHL? At some point, you have to blame the system in place. I didn't say that MacLean wasn't at fault. I wanted him fired as much as anyone else. What I'm saying is that while he's at fault, he isn't the only one. He doesn't deserve a sparkling record, but he certainly doesn't deserve what he got this year. The players failed him as much as he failed them. At the end of the day though, this year will fall squarely on his head, and that's why I feel bad for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 All those guys have never coached the team before. Hence, they are out of contention. if i had to guess - muller b/c he's got NJ ties. then again, that could just be more maclean. also, muller might have a deal with the habs to officially succeed martin in the next year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 (edited) You're really saying we have bottom-two talent on the ice in the NHL? At some point, you have to blame the system in place. Not necessarily bottom two talent, but weak links in the chain that make the whole thing fall apart. Skating two or three AHL defenseman on any given night, bad chemistry, one good, but underoverperforming pure center, just to name a few. Edited December 23, 2010 by Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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