Z-Man Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 EJ Hradek is on the SportsZone down here in Nashville, calling in from New York. He said the Madden deal is now official, and from what he's heard, it's a 5 year deal for $20 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils744 Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 EJ Hradek is on the SportsZone down here in Nashville, calling in from New York. He said the Madden deal is now official, and from what he's heard, it's a 5 year deal for $20 million. way too much, definately expect some trades for the sake of dumping salarys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-Man Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=89587 TSN reporting the same contract figures that Hradek just stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammyk Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 I guess he got Peca money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockeye Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Given this contract, any guess as to what Gomez will get via arbitration? I still say Gomer is gone, especially now that Maddog has signed for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammyk Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Well ya know, if it turns out that Stevens doesn't come back, then that's $7M right there. *hides from PK* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Given this contract, any guess as to what Gomez will get via arbitration? I still say Gomer is gone, especially now that Maddog has signed for this. It could be Madden that is gone though. It sounds like there will be many Devils trades coming up in the future with salary as the main driver. -Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 If Madden really got that, god bless him and his family . I just cannot believe the Devils paid more than market value. That speaks volumes about what they think of him. I'd have given him a little over $3 million per as a max. They obviously value him a great deal. Also, with them qualifying all these other players (Friesen, Kozlov, Hrdina), they're probably setting up for a trade. Lamoriello even hinted at that possibility in the paper. When you factor in that they have to sign Rafalski, Brylin, Gomez, Stevenson and Niedermayer that's a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockeye Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 If we keep Nieds, he's going to get a significant increase, and Gomer is going to get one through arbitration. I don't see how we can afford to give all three of them that much more, even if Stevens is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockeye Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Given this contract, any guess as to what Gomez will get via arbitration? I still say Gomer is gone, especially now that Maddog has signed for this. It could be Madden that is gone though. It sounds like there will be many Devils trades coming up in the future with salary as the main driver. -Scott I don't think we would have inked him to a 5-year deal if he was the one to be traded..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Given this contract, any guess as to what Gomez will get via arbitration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockeye Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Madden and Gomez are both centers, and I just think Madden is their guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 If it is four million, Stevens is almost surely not coming back. The Devils are not going to trade John Madden. He just signed a five year deal, this isn't fantasy hockey. They could deal him at the deadline at the EARLIEST. I thought it would be in the 3.5-4 million range, so I'm not too surprised. Gomez is staying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 4 million is ridiculous for Madden, especially coming off a so-so season and a bad playoff, plus I just found out he was 31 and not 29. As of now Madden= post injury Peca, but there is no way in hell Madden deserves pre injury Peca money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJayDevil Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Given this contract, any guess as to what Gomez will get via arbitration? I still say Gomer is gone, especially now that Maddog has signed for this. Yeah of course YOU say that, or is that the words of your "inside source"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockeye Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Given this contract, any guess as to what Gomez will get via arbitration? I still say Gomer is gone, especially now that Maddog has signed for this. Yeah of course YOU say that, or is that the words of your "inside source"? I thought I made it clear last time that "I" am not one of those guys that loosely just tries to make claims about possibilities and see if one of them comes true. It sounded like most others understood and agreed with that, but apparenty "You" have some type of a problem with me. I think the problem is that you're just an immature kid, which is fine, so I won't respond to anything else you post that is aimed at my direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionHockey Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Are you wishing Gomez's departure? Why would the Devils let a 24 year old 70 point center walk? He isn't going to get Niedermayer money. He will definately be paid less than Elias, so whats the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyBlueFish203 Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 4 million per season is overpayment for Madden. If Draper signed for 2.8 million per season, Madden should've signed around 3 million per season. One on one he's better than Draper, but this is not an individual sport. Oh well, whatever works for Lou. But I have an honest question now. If Madden gets 4 million and if Nieds will get 7 million or more, how much money is left over for Gomez? And Gomez can take the Devils to arbitration. The Devils might chose to qualify him, then trade him or work out some other trades to reduce the payroll involving Friesen. It's not easy to trade a 3 million + earning player, but a guy like Gomez is an attractive commodity on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 madden is worth 4 mill a year he plays his ass off every game how dare you question his contract. remember in 03 when he was a legitimate conn smythe contender? he is the devils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Draper has 18 playoff goals in 148 games. He has 108 goals in 724 games. He is 33 years old. Madden has 85 goals in 400 games. He has 13 goals in 80 playoff games. He is 31 years old. If they keep Draper in the 4th line role he used to occupy, 2.8 million is overpayment. If they put Madden in the 19 minute a game, check the top stars role, and he scores 20 goals, he's worth the 4 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyBlueFish203 Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Draper is a 3rd line checking center who forms the best penalty killing duo in the league with Kirk Maltby. His job on the team is not to score goals but to prevent them. He is famous for shutting down big time players along with Maltby. He, along with Maltby always plays the most minutes in the playoffs. He's great. If Maltby makes 2 million and McCarty makes 2.25, Draper's 2.8 is justified. Coming from someone who has seen him play for the Winged Wheel for over 10 years, he is not someone whose value is measured with money. If more of my boys played like he does every night, we wouldn't be sitting at 3 Championships since 1997. I think Madden is better than Draper, but I've said that before. It's not a competition but a mere comparison because of the current state of the NHL. The Flyers overpaid for Primeau and the Devils overpaid for Madden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 (edited) You don't overpay for players like Draper, Madden, and Primeau. It's why they're already resigned. And with Primeau's playoff, he deserves that kind of pay. I forgot he had such a moribund regular season. I knew Draper was the penalty killer but I thought the checking line job usually fell to Sergei Fedorov under Scotty Bowman, much like Holik drew the assignment under Robinson, only to see Madden get the Selke Trophy (for being part of the penalty kill and 2nd checking line). I could very easily be wrong. Edited July 1, 2004 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 That's not their roles now though Tri. They both play in the same role now. Why does one guy get $1.2 million more than the other? I still say he got a little too much. But compared to what the Leafs are doing, it's not bad. At least Madden is in his prime. He always plays hard. I'd be curious to see what Conroy gets on the open market. He's just as good as those guys and might be better offensively. The real problem is this. Who forced the Leafs to overpay for Belfour? Was there going to be another team giving him $11 million-a-year ??? When you see that, it just serves as further proof that even when there's supposed to be all this "economic change," management is paying for these guys. Makes Bettman look like a jackass. He's preaching an unrealistic $31 million cap and teams are already avoiding it and going about business. So, how is that the player's fault Gary? Are they holding a gun to these teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 So Primeau's underpaid at $4.5 million because he had ONE great playoffs after being a bust for much of his career? While Madden's overpaid at $4 million because he had an off year? Typical what have you done for me lately thinking, makes me sick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 (edited) Here are player compensations off nhlpa.com. Draper and Modry were not listed yet. Compensation: 2004/05 $1,100,000.00- Pandolfo Compensation: 2004/05 $3,866,445.31- Madden Compensation: 2004/05 $8,000,000.00- Belfour Compensation: 2004/05 $3,750,000.00- Roberts Compensation: 2004/05 $3,000,000.00- Nieuwendyk Compensation: 2004/05 $1,400,000.00- Berg Compensation: 2004/05 $4,500,000.00- Primeau The first five guys in this list are all proven and have played key roles. But Aki Berg at $1.4 million??? One comment on Primeau. This is a guy who changed his game to suit the Flyers' need. He used to play more of a scoring role. I'm going to look up Keith's compensation for next year and see if it is exactly $4.5. added Edited July 2, 2004 by Derek21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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