thefiestygoat Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 zajac didn't come out of nowhere. he was a 1st round pick and was groomed for his role. he was entirely on schedule. cormier making the team next year is off the radar. I think what DP26 meant was it was a surprise he made it to the NHL without really playing in the AHL for any length of time. (I think he had like 2 games after his final college season ended). Albeit I wasn't into following prospects back then as much as I am now, but were a lot of people really expecting Zajac to make the team coming into camp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I think what DP26 meant was it was a surprise he made it to the NHL without really playing in the AHL for any length of time. (I think he had like 2 games after his final college season ended). Albeit I wasn't into following prospects back then as much as I am now, but were a lot of people really expecting Zajac to make the team coming into camp? Exactly what I meant. I didn't follow the prospects as much myself back then but what I was going for was that he went straight to NJ. Maybe Travis going to UND opposed to the OHL or QMJHL had something to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have Another Donut Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 1. Parise Zajac Langs 2. Elias X Gio 3. Rolston Zubs Clarkson 4. Cormier Pelley Halischuk flip flop Clarkson and Halischuk as needed make a trade for 2nd line center-even a 2 year stop gap as the Marty window is closing. with his hockey smarts/better skills Halischuk eventually graduates to the third line as he gets more comfortable/gains confidence at the NHL level. Time to go with the kids. dump the dead wood/ -Jay, Madden, Rupp, PL3 etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilinLA Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 i am not going to let this thread turn into a mottau-greene debate. if it happens, i'm just going to make a new thread. I totally agree that its a moot debate.....but of course you have to this point with your usual arrogance. OK everyone BASK IN THE GLORY of TRIUMPH's knowledge and breakdown!!!!! Humility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I think you have a little more space in that you're overpaying Zajac. The only way he makes that is if he gets sheeted. And you really can't put a big enough sheet out there to get him (within the realm of sanity), so I don't know if anyone will make the effort other than those who are looking to irk Lou. I'm *guessing* Zajac wouldn't sign that kind of sheet, but who knows. It's possible he could get an average south of $3M. Maybe probable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American_Psycho Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I totally agree that its a moot debate.....but of course you have to this point with your usual arrogance.OK everyone BASK IN THE GLORY of TRIUMPH's knowledge and breakdown!!!!! Humility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) I think you have a little more space in that you're overpaying Zajac. The only way he makes that is if he gets sheeted. And you really can't put a big enough sheet out there to get him (within the realm of sanity), so I don't know if anyone will make the effort other than those who are looking to irk Lou. I'm *guessing* Zajac wouldn't sign that kind of sheet, but who knows.It's possible he could get an average south of $3M. Maybe probable. arbitration hears two words - 'jordan staal' - and the 4 million is zajac's. now maybe he takes something like 3.7 from lou on a long term deal, but south of $3M? he's leaving a ton of money on the table doing that. and let's not forget that with the nhl's revenue plan that the players already had a significant amount of their paychecks withheld this year. Edited May 3, 2009 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) Projected 2008-09 Goal Scoring On Bare Bones Team: (This isn't scientific - it's psuedo-scientific. please do not get on me for specific numbers. i used shooting percentages and shots on goal per game and it was quick and dirty.) Players G Parise 41 TZajac 22 Lngbnr 21 PElias 25 Zubrus 15 BRlstn 25 Brgfrs 16 Pndlfo 09 Clrksn 15 Lblond 02 Pelley 05 Hlschk 06 ------------ Martin 07 JOduya 07 CWhite 02 Mottau 02 Slvdor 03 Greene 05 -------------- TOTAL: 228 Now as we know, the Devils scored 238 goals last season, so that's a 10 goal dropoff and isn't factoring in injuries which probably takes off around 10 goals total. The loss of goals comes from 4 main sources - the loss of Gionta and a downturn in Parise, Elias, and Langenbrunner's goal scoring. Edited May 3, 2009 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) Team The First: First Round Loss Reunion Tour Re-sign John Madden - 2 years/4 million Re-sign Brendan Shanahan - 1 year/1.6 million Forwards: Parise-Zajac-Langenbrunner Elias-Zubrus-Rolston Pandolfo-Madden-Shanahan Bergfors-Pelley-Clarkson ex: PL Edited May 3, 2009 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneykoIsGod Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 The more I think about it, the more I think re-signing Madden might be an inevitability. It doesn't look like there is a better option out there, especially if we can lock him up for a $2M cap hit. Ideally, we'd find someone new. But realistically, this might be the path we have to travel. Two things scare me about bringing Madden back. 1) Any time Madden and Pandolfo are on the same roster, they'll be paired together, and that is simply a wasted shift in today's NHL. 2) Another year with Madden means another year with Zubrus centering our second line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Is this what you want to happen, or are you just going through possible scenarios? I think it's very imprtant to get Bergfors top 6 minutes and play with some talent. You think he will get enough minutes and/or blossom on the 4th? From what I hear, Bergfors has a nasty wrist shot. Remember all those weak ass top of the circle Gionta shots; maybe Bergfors could bury a few of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils26 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Tri, do you really think we could lock up Madden for 2m/y? I just can't see him taking less than Pandolfo. If Lou tells him 2M or nothing, I wouldn't be surprised to see him walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) Is this what you want to happen, or are you just going through possible scenarios? possible scenarios. i don't think anything i want to happen is going to happen. I think it's very imprtant to get Bergfors top 6 minutes and play with some talent. You think he will get enough minutes and/or blossom on the 4th? From what I hear, Bergfors has a nasty wrist shot. Remember all those weak ass top of the circle Gionta shots; maybe Bergfors could bury a few of those. bergfors' shooting percentage in the minors isn't great. but how can he get top 6 minutes? you've got elias, rolston, langenbrunner, and parise ahead of him. the only way he does is if zubrus slides down to the third line - something which i will explore a little later. otherwise, i think there's just too much talent in front of him. Edited May 3, 2009 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallidevils Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 The more I think about it, the more I think re-signing Madden might be an inevitability. It doesn't look like there is a better option out there, especially if we can lock him up for a $2M cap hit. Ideally, we'd find someone new. But realistically, this might be the path we have to travel.Two things scare me about bringing Madden back. 1) Any time Madden and Pandolfo are on the same roster, they'll be paired together, and that is simply a wasted shift in today's NHL. 2) Another year with Madden means another year with Zubrus centering our second line. If we can lock up Madden for $2m, then sure. But I don't see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I have a few ideas of my own. Its kind of long but it's not much different than yours/others i've seen and probably not enough to start another thread. Do you mind if I post it in here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) If we can lock up Madden for $2m, then sure. But I don't see that happening. there are a ton of centers like john madden available: sami pahlsson, manny malhotra, mike peca, todd marchant, dominic moore, stephane yelle, ian laperriere, blair betts. john madden had 7 goals this season. if he wants more than 2m, fine, we'll just sign peca or pahlsson or marchant. these guys are going to be first to get the pay cuts. pride 26: absolutely. that goes for anyone, so long as it's reasonable and well-thought out. Edited May 3, 2009 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sokar Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 just wondering could lou trade zurbus if he put 1st and 2nd round pick and a 1st round pick next year. you think someone would take that offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Without any UFA's. Parise (3.125) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I have a few ideas of my own. Its kind of long but it's not much different than yours/others i've seen and probably not enough to start another thread. Do you mind if I post it in here? either way i would say is fine. as i said previously, i don't mind if every poster put out ideas for next year in their own thread - as long as it makes sense and is somewhat reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 dp26 - solid thoughts. ohlund is on my radar too (not sure about 5 years for him though). for accuracy sake, halischuk's cap number is .875. w/o any UFAs, lou won't dump pando for so a guy from lowell can take his spot - especially if there is cap room left. i don't know that i'm ready to sign on for a full year of shanahan - maybe, but i don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Given the dearth of FA centers, wouldn't it be in the team's interest to have Elias or Rolston at center? I mean, it's not ideal but it might be the team's best option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Given the dearth of FA centers, wouldn't it be in the team's interest to have Elias or Rolston at center? I mean, it's not ideal but it might be the team's best option. i think it will likely come to that with one of them centering the other on the 2nd line. i'm hoping not because i don't fancy either as a good center, but we'll have to see what pieces lou fills in with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 i think it will likely come to that with one of them centering the other on the 2nd line. i'm hoping not because i don't fancy either as a good center, but we'll have to see what pieces lou fills in with. My thoughts as well. Part of the reason I want to go with a D through UFA is Cammy is the only applicable 2nd line center and a bunch of teams are going to get into a bidding war over him. There are about 5 solid defensemen who could crack our first pair though. Then you look at a trade; we don't have the assets for a 2nd line center. Who are you going to get and more importantly, who are you giving up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Then you look at a trade; we don't have the assets for a 2nd line center. Who are you going to get and more importantly, who are you giving up? this is not necessarily true. i have one in mind that i think would work - calgary's craig conroy. last year on his contract, 1.5MM cap hit - i would deal a 2nd + above average prospect for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 this is not necessarily true. i have one in mind that i think would work - calgary's craig conroy. last year on his contract, 1.5MM cap hit - i would deal a 2nd + above average prospect for him. I can't get too excited about Conroy pretty old, 12 goals each of the last 2 seasons. Is he really that much better than Rolston? OTOH, he had 36 assists and is very cheap. How is he on faceoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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