bruins4777 Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 that talk in that other thread about stevens really made me wonder...who do you guys think is the better player........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Stevens. But Brodeur closed the gap and allowed the Devils to play their system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 It doesn't matter. Without either of them the Devils don't win three cups! The sum of the parts made the individual parts better, in other words A TEAM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 you can't really compare a position player to a goaltender. Stevens was a great all around defensman at one point but I thought he could've put up more points between 1995 and now, that probably prevents him from being legendary like Bourque or Bobby Orr. It's like with Leetch, the fact that he didn't showcase his game in the playoffs for so long and was stuck on so many bad Ranger teams will hurt him. Brodeur is the greatest puckhandling goalie of all times and a great positional player. He's one of the reasons NJ always keeps the shots low, Brodeur makes it easier on himself by handling to puck so well. They even want to change the rules because of this! good glove hand, durable... But as a pure puckstopper....above average. good, not great. in the playoffs, in OT, I'd take Mike Richter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Good, not great in the playoffs? While Brodeur doesn't have a Conn Smythe and his overtime record is atrocious, he kept the Devils in a lot of games. You can't compare Stevens and Brodeur, it's like comparing a pitcher to a batter. You can compare Stevens to other defensemen and Brodeur to other goalies: Stevens, Larry Robinson, and Eddie Shore are considered the three greatest defensive defensemen of all time. Brodeur will never be considered greater than Roy, and probably not Hasek either, not to mention goalies past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefiestygoat Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I can't really find a way to compare a position player and goalie. Simple fact is that without both of them we don't win 3 cups! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Good, not great in the playoffs? While Brodeur doesn't have a Conn Smythe and his overtime record is atrocious, he kept the Devils in a lot of games.You can't compare Stevens and Brodeur, it's like comparing a pitcher to a batter. You can compare Stevens to other defensemen and Brodeur to other goalies: Stevens, Larry Robinson, and Eddie Shore are considered the three greatest defensive defensemen of all time. Brodeur will never be considered greater than Roy, and probably not Hasek either, not to mention goalies past. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> poorly written, I didn't mean he was not great in the playoffs. not counting ot games, his playoff record is great. just as a pure puckstopper he is good. add in his revolutionary stickhandling and he's great. not on the level of Roy and Hasek though when it comes to making saves, or dominating the way they dominated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Apples and Oranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Man Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 If I was forced to take one or the other I would take Brodeur even if they were the same age. You can't compare them as has been suggested by others in this thread. Devils can win the cup without Stevens but not without Brodeur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwindog Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 The relationship between the two is part of what makes them both so great. Their priorities are in complete sinc - that coupled with their great natural talent makes them who they are. Based on pure natural talent Brodeur has more. Based on hockey sense and hard work Stevens has the edge. Stevens can call up focus Brodeur is more losey goosey mentally. But both bring what they have on a consitant basis and are thus equally valuable to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwindog Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 (edited) If I was forced to take one or the other I would take Brodeur even if they were the same age. You can't compare them as has been suggested by others in this thread. Devils can win the cup without Stevens but not without Brodeur. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I disagree... While it may be going out on a limb I really think that it wasn't merely working with the Devils staff that got Brodeurs work ethic and priorities alligned -- but that he also had the example of Stevens putting the team philosophy into action in a personalized way. Stevens illustrates how you aren't sacrificing - you're succeeding. This gave Marty a huge advantage -- it gave him the ability to TRUST a system (not merely individuals spouting it) which is just absolutely key. I personally feel that it's very difficult to know if Brodeur is the same player without Stevens. Without the mindset I think Brodeur is just another mad skillz goalie who loses focus too easily. Edited June 29, 2005 by Darwindog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msweet Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I read this thread and realize more than ever how much we need hockey to start again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I read this thread and realize more than ever how much we need hockey to start again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Me too MS- my head shaking muscles have not been getting enough of a workout without having stuff like this to read daily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Devils can win the cup without Stevens but not without Brodeur. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you talking now or in the past? This is one those nebulous statements that no one will ever know the answer. However, I don't think the Devils could have won those cups WITHOUT Stevens. In the near future we will see if the Devils can win the cup without Stevens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diablo Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I think the better question is who would be the centerpiece of your new franchise and that has an easy answer, Marty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwindog Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 I think the better question is who would be the centerpiece of your new franchise and that has an easy answer, Marty. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> when the answer is Marty the question is NOT the better one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwindog Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 (edited) Devils can win the cup without Stevens but not without Brodeur. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you talking now or in the past? This is one those nebulous statements that no one will ever know the answer. However, I don't think the Devils could have won those cups WITHOUT Stevens. In the near future we will see if the Devils can win the cup without Stevens. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And that's not even true because he's left his imprint on the team now... that (to me of course) is akin to saying without Lemaire would the Devils be the team they are today - he's been gone for ages but he left an indellable thumb print. anyone gonna bite? Edited June 29, 2005 by Darwindog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Man Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 This is easy to reply because both players are of a different age. So let's assume they are the same for this exercise. IMO Devils don't win any cup without Marty. PK we did see Marty play without Stevens it was the last season of hockey 2003/2004 and he played well IMO. I am not knocking the talent of Stevens in his better days but IMO Marty brings more to the team. If we speak of today then Stevens can be left at home fog for sure, just the age difference and Stevens slow down leaves him at home. Marty is what he is regardless of who made him PK it's unfair to use Lamaire in comparison because he was a coach the brought a system not a player. His system prevails today in one form or another. But I agree with Rock no one will ever know. So my answer is simple: Today....... Marty Yesterday...........Marty before 95 maybe Stevens not sure. They both have something in common besides Hockey, however. Rock knows what I am referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwindog Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 (edited) ok -- you got me Ice I actually wasn't serious about the Lemaire comparison... IMO your opinion is valid all the way around. Edited June 29, 2005 by Darwindog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 They both have something in common besides Hockey, however. Rock knows what I am referring to. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes they are both from Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Man Posted June 29, 2005 Share Posted June 29, 2005 Hey Rock, ha ha ha good one. You know that's not what I was talking about but it's good enough for a laugh. What I was talking about wasn't funny. Let's move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 I've moved on a long time ago. Apparently some people haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Man Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 Can't move on from that stuff Rock. It's always there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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