Elias26 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Link DEVS RIDDLED BY CAP By MARK (N)Єverson September 25, 2006 -- Nothing else quite matters in Devils camp until Lou Lamoriello gets his cap sorted out. If he doesn't win an unlikely victory, allowing him to cross off the $7.1 million Alexander Mogilny-Vladimir Malakhov cap liability crippling him, he'll have to gut his team. Soon. Already, there is spontaneous consideration in Jersey's "limited-trade contract" contingent of which destinations would be acceptable if Lamoriello loses his case. "If the league does it for one team, it will have to do if for everybody," Flyer GM Bobby Clarke said of the expected Devils request to be forgiven $3.5 million in cap liability because of Mogilny's chronic hip ailment. The major issue of precedent stands as another likely problem for the Devils' case. If they are granted LTI cap relief for Mogilny, it will effectively make any long-term incapacity an exception to the rule that says the second and subsequent years of contracts signed by over-35s count against the cap, "whether or wherever," they play. Other teams declined signing over-35s to multiyear deals, believing the CBA means what it says. They suggest the second season on those contracts could be the winning difference in offers, and shouldn't then be forgiven, changing the rules after the fact. "That's why I didn't sign [Martin] Rucinsky," Rangers GM Clen Sather told The Post. * David Clarkson and Zach Parise had power-play goals as the Devils scored a 3-1 exhibition victory over the Capitals last night in Hershey, Pa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Boy, you can just feel the crying from Devil-haters Sather, Clarke and (N)Єverson. WHEN is the NHL going to decide on Mogilny already?! It's as if they're intentionally dragging their feet so Lou has to do something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 (edited) The league isn't dragging their feet. Lou hasn't even requested the LTI exemption. As for the other whiners, really now, I can see not signing a 35+ player for more than one year because you fear the player may lose effectiveness. But not signing a 35+ player because you presume he is going to get injured? In Mogilny's case it was easy to predict, but lets say Joe Sakic signed a 3 year deal and gets hit by a zamboni forcing him to quit hockey. That salary money shouldn't be sitting against the cap. Edited September 25, 2006 by Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Lou must be a sadist, laughing at all of us worrying our heads off what he's going to do with the cap I don't know what he's waiting for in regards to not asking for the LTI, the Devils' season starts in approximately eleven days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 maybe he just has forgotten that he is over the cap he IS getting kinda old so it's not out of the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 hes' probably waiting for one of us to come up with an idea and post it so he can use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Wait to the last minute...yay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC Devs Fan Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 In Mogilny's case it was easy to predict, but lets say Joe Sakic signed a 3 year deal and gets hit by a zamboni forcing him to quit hockey. That salary money shouldn't be sitting against the cap. I agree... but if you sign Sakic after he gets hit by the Zamboni (like we did) then buyer beware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 But if Sakic is cleared to play, then he's cleared to play. I don't think there should be a difference, it's pseudo discrimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poisler Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 hes' probably waiting for one of us to come up with an idea and post it so he can use it. Maybe Lou should hire Tony Soprano to "take care" of Vlad and AlMo. In all seriousness, what happens is a player dies? I know it's a morbid thought, but does their salary count towards the cap? I tend to doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Devils have requested LTIR per NY Post: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...8883&spln=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC Devs Fan Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 But if Sakic is cleared to play, then he's cleared to play. I don't think there should be a difference, it's pseudo discrimination. Again. I agree. My point was that AlMo had a history of this type of problem while playing in Toronto (if I'm not mistaken) so that it flared up to the point that he can't play anymore isn't really new news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffg254 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Contrary to all these reports, I think that the applicable terminology from the CBA, namely 50.5 (d)(i)(b)(5), is rather ambigious. It states that all player salary bonuses earned in a season by a player who in the second or later year of a contract that was signed when they were over 35 shall count toward cap even if that player is NOT on the Club's Active Roster, Injured Reserve....Meaning, that IF the player IS ON the injured reserve, there wont be a cap hit - that should take care of mogs. Also, the "whether, or where" language actually states "whether, or where the player is playing." Well, playing is UNdefined - and could only mean that a player is being sit or that a player is not actually being played or used - ala Darren Langdon. It may not have been meant to entail a player who is refusing to report to camp or for that matter refuse to play. If a player is refusing to play, I do not see how the league can justify taxing the devils for a player who is refusing to play or even report to camp. I think a valid argument exists that the intention here was to protect a PLAYER from moves by a team to disown him when he got old, not to punish a team for a player who refuses to participate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueNJ97 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Devils have requested LTIR per NY Post:http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...8883&spln=1 Well, now at least we'll find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Am I missing something here? The rotoworld link is to the same NY Post article above. I didn't see in that article that Lou has applied for the LTI for Mogilny. (We know that he has to do it, no confirmation that he has yet.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 sorry rock...i just got the roto link on a google alert and when i looked at it, i saw the post link, but figured it was a different article. in the end, we all know that the devils aren't going to forfeit games or show up with none of these guys signed. lou already knows what he's doing and just because these dumbass "writers" don't know doesn't mean that lou's sitting aroung doing nothing. lou tells the press absolutely NOTHING of substance until he absolutely must. He's got McG's 2.2 on the way to Lowell. He's got Weimer and Matvichuk onto LTIR. Mogilny will be sure to join them. Even if the league wants to pull the minor league crap, there's nothing in the CBA to back them up. There's even talk that Madden will start the season on the IR because of his surgery. it stinks that we're all speculating and all we have to go on are the words of know-nothing journalists. i've chosen to simply forget about it and just wait for opening night when I expect all the relevant guys to be playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 but the ltir isn't really cap releif, is it? it just says that you can replace the salary of the player. so, mogilny would still be counted against the cap, but his salary can be replaced by gionta... or am I misunderstanding this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueNJ97 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 but the ltir isn't really cap releif, is it? it just says that you can replace the salary of the player. so, mogilny would still be counted against the cap, but his salary can be replaced by gionta... or am I misunderstanding this? You aren't misunderstanding it. That is correct. It is my understanding that NJ was actually over the cap last year. But they were allowed to go over it because of LTIE. The thing is that before you go over the cap for the LTIE, you have to be legitimately under the cap in some way. You cannot be over it first. My guess is, all of the LTIE, even the ones NJ has been given already (Wiemer, Matvichuck) don't actually hit until October 1st (I think that's it, under the CBA, although I'd have to double-check). McGillis going to the minors wouldn't hit until then, either, because he has a 1-way contract. But that would get them under the cap, legitimately. Then you can go over it. That's when you'll see the announcements of the contracts, I'd guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 sorry rock...i just got the roto link on a google alert and when i looked at it, i saw the post link, but figured it was a different article. in the end, we all know that the devils aren't going to forfeit games or show up with none of these guys signed. lou already knows what he's doing and just because these dumbass "writers" don't know doesn't mean that lou's sitting aroung doing nothing. lou tells the press absolutely NOTHING of substance until he absolutely must. He's got McG's 2.2 on the way to Lowell. He's got Weimer and Matvichuk onto LTIR. Mogilny will be sure to join them. Even if the league wants to pull the minor league crap, there's nothing in the CBA to back them up. There's even talk that Madden will start the season on the IR because of his surgery. it stinks that we're all speculating and all we have to go on are the words of know-nothing journalists. i've chosen to simply forget about it and just wait for opening night when I expect all the relevant guys to be playing. It's not the fact that it's the same article, it's that rotoworld deduced that Lou already filed LTI from that NY Post article! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threestars Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 You aren't misunderstanding it. That is correct. It is my understanding that NJ was actually over the cap last year. But they were allowed to go over it because of LTIE.The thing is that before you go over the cap for the LTIE, you have to be legitimately under the cap in some way. You cannot be over it first. My guess is, all of the LTIE, even the ones NJ has been given already (Wiemer, Matvichuck) don't actually hit until October 1st (I think that's it, under the CBA, although I'd have to double-check). McGillis going to the minors wouldn't hit until then, either, because he has a 1-way contract. But that would get them under the cap, legitimately. Then you can go over it. That's when you'll see the announcements of the contracts, I'd guess. That is what I had deduced too...everything will happen very quickly on opening night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Another article with nothing new to say, just a couple quotes from Dumb & Dumber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadevils Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Really tired about worrying about these cap numbers. I'm ready to worry about the real numbers mainly W's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 (edited) When, exactly do the Devils have to have the cap situation resolved - Opening Night of the NHL season (Oct. 4) or their Opening Night (Oct. 6)? If it's the former, we have nine days and counting. I'm not sure of all the numbers so someone correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm right we seem to be a little over $41 million not even counting Mogilny, Matvichuk, Wiemer or the unsigned FA's. Brodeur - $5.2 million Backup (Clemm/Doyle) - $450k Rafalski - $4.2 million White - $3 million Martin - ? Lukowich - $1 million Hale - ? Oduya - $450k Lachance - $450k Elias - $6 million Gomez - $5 million Gionta - ? Madden - $2.9 million Langenbrunner - $2.8 million Brylin - $1.3 million Pandolfo - $1 million Marshall - $760k Parise - $750k Janssen - $450k Rasmussen - $450k Zajac - $450k Rupp - $450k *Malakhov - $3.6 million Edited September 25, 2006 by Hasan4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 NHLPA is off regarding cap hits. eg Madden over 3 million, but they have Pando at 850,000. Might be a place to check the salaries of the ones you are unsure off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 I don't really trust any sites in regards to the cap numbers I'm just going off of memory based on what seems to be the most accepted cap figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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