ATLL765 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) They have one less win, two less losses and one less games so you won't admit that that they are better than the Devils at this point in time?? How does that make them better? They lost tonight so now they have one more loss than we do unless you don't count OT losses as losses, which is bs. You could argue that we're no better than the Rangers, but I'm not sure how you can argue that they're clearly better than we are. They've allowed 5 more goals than we have and have only scored 4 more than us, so they even have a worse goal differential. They also have one less ROW than we do, which means we have pretty much every tiebreaker over them. Edited November 18, 2014 by ATLL765 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louismydad Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 How does that make them better? They lost tonight so now they have one more loss than we do unless you don't count OT losses as losses, which is bs. You could argue that we're no better than the Rangers, but I'm not sure how you can argue that they're clearly better than we are. They've allowed 5 more goals than we have and have only scored 4 more than us, so they even have a worse goal differential. They also have one less ROW than we do, which means we have pretty much every tiebreaker over them. I would argue that we are more sound defensively and possession but they have more speed/talent up front and a slight edge in the crease(although he hasn't been playing like it) overall we are pretty close to the same caliber team as the rags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I would argue that we are more sound defensively and possession but they have more speed/talent up front and a slight edge in the crease(although he hasn't been playing like it) overall we are pretty close to the same caliber team as the rags Take this current team and the rangers team in 5 years tho... All their core players will still be there and producing, they are way more balanced than we are at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louismydad Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Take this current team and the rangers team in 5 years tho... All their core players will still be there and producing, they are way more balanced than we are at the moment. St. Louis will be gone, IMO he's their best player besides the queen. Speaking of the queen, do you really think he's going to be playing at his level in 5 years? I really doubt it. Yes they have forward youth but their d corp is average at best and non of their prospects are going to be elit players(most likely) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Take this current team and the rangers team in 5 years tho... All their core players will still be there and producing, they are way more balanced than we are at the moment.Idk about that. No St. Louis, no depth at center, no Staal, no Girardi, old Lundqvist. There window is the next couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Lundegaard Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 If you're trying to argue that the devils have a better team right now. OR have a brighter future than the rangers, with this roster and farm system, then you haven't kept up with this devils team in the past 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Lundegaard Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Hagelin, mcdonaugh, kreider, stepan, brassard, nash, zuccarello. I hate every single one of them. But anyone of those fowards would be on our top line, at the least a top 6 foward. Mcdonaugh is an elite dman whether we want to accept it or not. Even if you assume they won't sign girardi or staal. And for some unknown reason you assume lundqvist is going to decline, which there's no basis behind. They're still better than us now. And unfortunately, barring a blockbuster move, we're not getting over the edge with ried boucher, stephan matteau and jacob josefson. Experts don't rank our farm system as one of the worst in the league because they hate the devils, they do it because we have ZILCH in the pipeline in terms of top talent. Edited November 18, 2014 by Jerry Lundegaard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 The Rangers are pretty okay at forward though Nash should begin to decline soon he's still quite good now - Stepan, Kreider and Duclair look like a good forward corps, plus JT Miller, possibly. Their issue is defense where McDonagh is a rock but Girardi is an anchor and Staal potentially a 2nd anchor if they sign him long term too. They have some good picks floating around but we'll see how those turn out. Lundqvist should begin to decline soon as well. It is a win now team but it's not lost if it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Hagelin, mcdonaugh, kreider, stepan, brassard, nash, zuccarello. I hate every single one of them. But anyone of those fowards would be on our top line, at the least a top 6 foward. Mcdonaugh is an elite dman whether we want to accept it or not. Even if you assume they won't sign girardi or staal. And for some unknown reason you assume lundqvist is going to decline, which there's no basis behind. They're still better than us now. And unfortunately, barring a blockbuster move, we're not getting over the edge with ried boucher, stephan matteau and jacob josefson. Experts don't rank our farm system as one of the worst in the league because they hate the devils, they do it because we have ZILCH in the pipeline in terms of top talent. Zuccarello is UFA this season, Brassard is signed to a pretty rotten deal, and Hagelin, while a nice player, is not really what Stanley Cups are built on. Hagelin is not a top 6 forward on this team, and Brassard probably shouldn't be either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) If you're trying to argue that the devils have a better team right now. OR have a brighter future than the rangers, with this roster and farm system, then you haven't kept up with this devils team in the past 3 years.What? All i said is after five years the rangers will have their own issues. Like I said they are win now. Edited November 18, 2014 by Zubie#8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Lundegaard Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Zuccarello is UFA this season, Brassard is signed to a pretty rotten deal, and Hagelin, while a nice player, is not really what Stanley Cups are built on. Hagelin is not a top 6 forward on this team, and Brassard probably shouldn't be either. Absolutely they would be. I take hagelin and definitely brassard over Brunner and havlat 100 times out of 100. No reason they cant resign zuccs in the off season again and Brassards deal looks a hell of a lot better than the deal we have with clowe, zubrus, ruutu or zajac. Saying brassard wouldn't be a top 2 center here is ludicrous. I'll take brassard or stepan over zajac right now. I know we hate to accept facts like this, but the rangers have a much better team than we do. And they don't just have a win now team. They have a win now or continue to build a solid core and win down the road team. They're not the blackhawks or the kings. But the point of all this is to point out what terrible shape our team is in, with relation to our rival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Lundegaard Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 What? All i said is after five years the rangers will have their own issues. Like I said they are win now. Any team is going to have significant decisions and challenges 5 years down the road dude. Theyre set up a million times better 5 years down the road then we are. We have 1 youthful forward who is probably a lock to be here in 5 yrs. Henrique. Zajac will be in his middle 30s, and he isn't exactly providing now in a time of his career that should be his prime. Other than that its only wishful thinking. And that goes for all of these unproven young defensemen as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Absolutely they would be. I take hagelin and definitely brassard over Brunner and havlat 100 times out of 100. No reason they cant resign zuccs in the off season again and Brassards deal looks a hell of a lot better than the deal we have with clowe, zubrus, ruutu or zajac. Saying brassard wouldn't be a top 2 center here is ludicrous. I'll take brassard or stepan over zajac right now. I know we hate to accept facts like this, but the rangers have a much better team than we do. And they don't just have a win now team. They have a win now or continue to build a solid core and win down the road team. They're not the blackhawks or the kings. But the point of all this is to point out what terrible shape our team is in, with relation to our rival. If you'd rather have Brassard over Zajac, I don't know what to tell you because that's just plain nuts. I looked up stats for each player since Brassard entered the league in 2011-2012 Since then Brassard had 35 goals and 87 points in 145 games, has started more than 65% of his shifts in the o-zone and was HEAVILY sheltered in terms of quality of competition. Zajac faced top competition, only started about 55% of his shifts in the o-zone and had 30 goals and 81 points in 161 games. Stepan is probably a better offensive player than Zajac as he put up 52 goals and 155 points in 217 games, but started more than 60% of his shifts in the o-zone. He's faced tougher competition than Brassard, but hasn't faced the kind of competition that Zajac has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 plus what we've seen is that LOTS of players want to play in NY. They have a bunch of good young forwards / prospects and they can attract a lot more UFA than we do and they have unlimited money to pull stunts with the contracts. i mean it pains me to say this but i'd be a homer saying i think our team is better and will be better in the future "based on our core players of the moment". Same with MTL is pains me too but they have a better team than us too, its been awhile since we werent clearly on top of my 2 rival teams. What? All i said is after five years the rangers will have their own issues. Like I said they are win now. and we're not? were the most win now team in the league right now, mostly cause most of our core will be tv broadcasters or wtv in a few years. We've been patching holes to "survive" for the last few years and we don't have much to rejoice about any prospects coming up to save the day like most team have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Hagelin, mcdonaugh, kreider, stepan, brassard, nash, zuccarello. I hate every single one of them. But anyone of those fowards would be on our top line, at the least a top 6 foward. Mcdonaugh is an elite dman whether we want to accept it or not. Even if you assume they won't sign girardi or staal. And for some unknown reason you assume lundqvist is going to decline, which there's no basis behind. They're still better than us now. And unfortunately, barring a blockbuster move, we're not getting over the edge with ried boucher, stephan matteau and jacob josefson. Experts don't rank our farm system as one of the worst in the league because they hate the devils, they do it because we have ZILCH in the pipeline in terms of top talent. Lundqvists save percentage's the past several seasons 11-12 .930 12-13 .926 13-14 .920 14-15 so far .910 Looks like a decline to me. He is still a top goalie but he is not the dominant force he used to be. 11-12 was there best year to win the cup with Lundvist playing at a level he may never reach again. Still they probably wouldn't have taken LA that season either Edited November 18, 2014 by '7' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Absolutely they would be. I take hagelin and definitely brassard over Brunner and havlat 100 times out of 100. No reason they cant resign zuccs in the off season again and Brassards deal looks a hell of a lot better than the deal we have with clowe, zubrus, ruutu or zajac. Saying brassard wouldn't be a top 2 center here is ludicrous. I'll take brassard or stepan over zajac right now. I know we hate to accept facts like this, but the rangers have a much better team than we do. And they don't just have a win now team. They have a win now or continue to build a solid core and win down the road team. They're not the blackhawks or the kings. But the point of all this is to point out what terrible shape our team is in, with relation to our rival. Brunner is a healthy scratch with 1 forward on the team injured. In what world is he a top 6 forward on this team? Hagelin is overall better than Havlat, but they have different skill sets - if Carl Hagelin is on your power play there is a problem, because he's garbage on the power play. Great even strength player though, and a good player to have. Brassard's deal is for 5 years - I don't think it's better than Zajac's deal, and yes it's obviously better than Clowe's deal - not sure about the other two. 5 years is a long time to be in business with a guy who doesn't produce a ton of offense and not much else either. As usual, a guy who is down on the Devils obsesses about the Rangers - this is pretty standard. Rangers have a nice team going forward, but you give Zuccarello a long term deal and you're looking at a fair amount of money tied up in players that aren't that good, plus a declining Lundqvist. Their team will not get any cheaper next year with Staal and Zuccarello UFA and Stepan and Hagelin RFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 for a fan base that supposedly hates the rangers so badly they certainly do obsess over them quite often.. who cares about the rangers or their players why dont we worry about our own team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louismydad Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Lundqvists save percentage's the past several seasons 11-12 .930 12-13 .926 13-14 .920 14-15 so far .910 Looks like a decline to me. He is still a top goalie but he is not the dominant force he used to be. 11-12 was there best year to win the cup with Lundvist playing at a level he may never reach again. Still they probably wouldn't have taken LA that season either well quick played out if his mind that year, even he can't replicate what he did in those playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 for a fan base that supposedly hates the rangers so badly they certainly do obsess over them quite often.. who cares about the rangers or their players why dont we worry about our own team This completely. The last 2 Devils games I went to, I heard more anti-Rangers chants than I heard pro-Devils ones and both games we weren't even playing the friggin Rangers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 This completely. The last 2 Devils games I went to, I heard more anti-Rangers chants than I heard pro-Devils ones and both games we weren't even playing the friggin Rangers! im down for the one rangers suck chant per game.. but not 1 per period its a bit obsessive and actually embarressing or pathetic even that our fans have to obsess over the rangers so much..their fans actually probably love it that ours are the way they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 im down for the one rangers suck chant per game.. but not 1 per period its a bit obsessive and actually embarressing or pathetic even that our fans have to obsess over the rangers so much..their fans actually probably love it that ours are the way they are. At this point I will take 1 Rangers suck chant per period (even though I would rather have that chant gone completely). I heard it the last game at least 3 times per period and I heard "Let's go Devils" just twice the entire game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 So is it Grabner > Hagelin > Brunner??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 So is it Grabner > Hagelin > Brunner??? For me, that would be the proper order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted November 18, 2014 Author Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) I think the takeaway from this conversation about the Rangers is that they fvcking blow. At least that's what I took from it. I generally take that from any conversation involving the Rangers though, so maybe it's just me... Edited November 18, 2014 by MadDog2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I think the takeaway from this conversation about the Rangers is that they fvcking blow. At least that's what I took from it. I generally take that from any conversation involving the Rangers though, so maybe it's just me... but what i took from the conversation is that they currently have a better team then ours.. so if they blow what does that mean for us lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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