CommonDreads Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Doug Weight is starting his head coaching career off with a bang tonight by starting Stephen Gionta on the 2nd line. God speed to the Islanders. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, CommonDreads said: Doug Weight is starting his head coaching career off with a bang tonight by starting Stephen Gionta on the 2nd line. God speed to the Islanders. I don't know why, can't explain, but I may have to watch! Am I watching for success or failure I am not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 33 minutes ago, CommonDreads said: Doug Weight is starting his head coaching career off with a bang tonight by starting Stephen Gionta on the 2nd line. God speed to the Islanders. When did he get back to the NHL?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 13 hours ago, mfitz804 said: When did he get back to the NHL?? -"We missed it!" -"When?" -"Just now!" -"When will it be now?" -"Soon!" -"How soon?!" 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Gionta, as usual no big deal. Played 10+ minutes with all goose eggs. Moving on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglejelly Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, BostonNala370 said: Gionta, as usual no big deal. Played 10+ minutes with all goose eggs. Moving on He is the difference maker. The Devils brought him on board and went to the Finals, now the Islanders bring him back and start a winning streak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Patrick Marleau with 4 goals in one period against the Avs. I know the Avs suck but damn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiquated Colorado Rockie Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Patrick Marleau with 4 goals in one period against the Avs. I know the Avs suck but damn... The super-natural hat trick! On a side note I am enjoying the Avs carnage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Nicomo said: Patrick Marleau with 4 goals in one period against the Avs. I know the Avs suck but damn... Only 11 others have done this. The last was Mario on January 26, 1997 almost 20 years to the day January 23, 2017 Marleau does it and he is 37. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) Interesting about Marleau...his detractors would probably point out that yeah, he'll soon have 500 goals (currently at 497), and has already cracked 500 assists (563) and 1000 points (1060), but needed too many games to get there...basically, he's just a compiler, who averages 28 goals and 32 assists over 82 games for his career. So what? I think there's something to be said for being in the position to compile in the first place. He's now played 1459 regular season games for his career, good for 23rd on the all-time list; if he plays in all of the Sharks' remaining games, he'll move up to 20th at season's end. If he's able to stay healthy for another two years after this one (164 more games), he would move into the Top 5 for most games played. Obviously way too early to know if that could actually happen, and he'll be a UFA to boot this offseason, but it says something that the possibility can even be discussed. Marleau from Day 1 has ALWAYS been a guy who's been able to lace 'em up for most of the Sharks' games (the fewest games he's ever played in a non-shortened season was 74, his rookie season), but perhaps his most amazing achievement is that, from his age 30 season on, out of a current max of 588 games he could have played in, Marleau has appeared in...588 games. Not one game missed in his 30s, when most guys are starting to break down and seeing their many years in the game finally catching up with them. And though his offensive numbers have slowed up a bit over the last two-and-a-half seasons (but still remain respectable), his point-per-game rate (0.765) as a 30+ year old is better than his overall career rate (0.727). No, he's not a great player, but it's a real credit to him that he's been so durable and reliable for 19 NHL seasons. Impressive career. Edited January 24, 2017 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 27 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Interesting about Marleau...his detractors would probably point out that yeah, he'll soon have 500 goals (currently at 497), and has already cracked 500 assists (563) and 1000 points (1060), but needed too many games to get there...basically, he's just a compiler, who averages 28 goals and 32 assists over 82 games for his career. So what? I think there's something to be said for being in the position to compile in the first place. He's now played 1459 regular season games for his career, good for 23rd on the all-time list; if he plays in all of the Sharks' remaining games, he'll move up to 20th at season's end. If he's able to stay healthy for another two years after this one (164 more games), he would move into the Top 5 for most games played. Obviously way too early to know if that could actually happen, and he'll be a UFA to boot this offseason, but it says something that the possibility can even be discussed. Marleau from Day 1 has ALWAYS been a guy who's been able to lace 'em up for most of the Sharks' games (the fewest games he's ever played in a non-shortened season was 74, his rookie season), but perhaps his most amazing achievement is that, from his age 30 season on, out of a current max of 588 games he could have played in, Marleau has appeared in...588 games. Not one game missed in his 30s, when most guys are starting to break down and seeing their many years in the game finally catching up with them. And though his offensive numbers have slowed up a bit over the last two-and-a-half seasons (but still remain respectable), his point-per-game rate (0.765) as a 30+ year old is better than his overall career rate (0.727). No, he's not a great player, but it's a real credit to him that he's been so durable and reliable for 19 NHL seasons. Impressive career. Think he is a HOF'er? Probably unlikely as he was never really dominant in any season, has a lot of games under his belt, never won a major individual award and has never won a cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DevsMan84 said: Think he is a HOF'er? Probably unlikely as he was never really dominant in any season, has a lot of games under his belt, never won a major individual award and has never won a cup. Definitely not...basically, a nice player who was able to be a nice player for most of his career, with some very good years (though he had the occasional down year that probably had some Shark fans saying "WTF?"). But that's it...not detracting from his accomplishments, he's done more than many players could ever dream of, but like you say, he was never a dominant guy...he's kind of the Elias of his team, but Elias was a better player who WAS occasionally dominant, and much more of a candidate for the HHOF than Marleau. And if Marleau ever got in before Dave Andreychuk did, that would be a complete joke. Edited January 24, 2017 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Marleau has been a very effective player for a really long time. And averaging 28 goals and 32 assists per 82 games for his career is a very nice number, I'd take a few guys on my team who could do that. That being said, he'd maybe be a Hall of Fame candidate if it's a weird year where there aren't a couple of eligible guys who are shoe ins. But I'm going to say, probably not. I feel that as a Devils fan, Elias meant a lot more to me and as such I can't judge him without taking that into account. My gut feeling is he's in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I think from a neutral perspective, both Marleau and Elias are borderline-y HOF candidates. However I am leaning towards Elias being in and Marleau being out due to reasons CR1976 gave in his post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I don't know that I'd describe Elias as ever having been dominant. He does have some Cups, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: I don't know that I'd describe Elias as ever having been dominant. He does have some Cups, though. He was for stretches. I would say he was dominant in the 2000-01 season (finished 3rd in league scoring) and in the half-season he played in 05-06 (was on same pace as 2000-01 season). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Right. I guess when I think of "dominant" I think more in terms of big chunks of one's career rather than for one season. Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman..those kind of guys were truly dominant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Right. I guess when I think of "dominant" I think more in terms of big chunks of one's career rather than for one season. Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman..those kind of guys were truly dominant. Well yeah those guys were just flat out dominant lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Right. I guess when I think of "dominant" I think more in terms of big chunks of one's career rather than for one season. Gretzky, Lemieux, Yzerman..those kind of guys were truly dominant. That's such an exclusive class, all of whom played significant chunks of their careers in the Live Puck Era. Elias wasn't year-to-year dominant, but definitely had H-O-F seasons, and overall I think he's borderline (though I probably would put him in). One season that gets overlooked by some is his 2003-04 season, where he somehow netted 38 goals and added 43 assists. The third-highest scoring forward on that team was Jeff Friesen...with 37 points in 81 GP. The only other Devil to score over 20 goals that season was Brian Gionta, with 21. Despite the EGG line coming together late in the season, that year really shows how Lou didn't always do a good job giving Elias more of a supporting cast, or finding the right complementary players. It seemed like Elias had to fight a lot of years to get his offense...almost to the point where you wondered how might have fared elsewhere. 1 hour ago, mfitz804 said: Marleau has been a very effective player for a really long time. And averaging 28 goals and 32 assists per 82 games for his career is a very nice number, I'd take a few guys on my team who could do that. That being said, he'd maybe be a Hall of Fame candidate if it's a weird year where there aren't a couple of eligible guys who are shoe ins. But I'm going to say, probably not. I feel that as a Devils fan, Elias meant a lot more to me and as such I can't judge him without taking that into account. My gut feeling is he's in. Again, I'm not knocking Marleau...he's had a fine career for sure...just not H-O-F worthy. What also would hurt him from a H-O-F standpoint is that he's kind of "guilty by association", as far as those Shark teams go that rarely seem to go deep into the playoffs. Prior to last season (when the Sharks finally broke through and got to the SCF), his teams had only reached the WCF three times, and won just three games in those series combined. It's not all on him of course, but I think some people look at guys like him and Joe Thornton and others on those teams and say "Those guys just don't get over the hump in the big spot." Edited January 24, 2017 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Definitely not...basically, a nice player who was able to be a nice player for most of his career, with some very good years (though he had the occasional down year that probably had some Shark fans saying "WTF?"). But that's it...not detracting from his accomplishments, he's done more than many players could ever dream of, but like you say, he was never a dominant guy...he's kind of the Elias of his team, but Elias was a better player who WAS occasionally dominant, and much more of a candidate for the HHOF than Marleau. And if Marleau ever got in before Dave Andreychuk did, that would be a complete joke. Not a bad comparison. Marleau also had his C taken away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, Nicomo said: Not a bad comparison. Marleau also had his C taken away. I wonder how the fans in San Jose feel about him, compared to how Jersey fans feel about Elias. Elias has two rings and his teams reached four SCFs. Elias is pretty beloved here...I wonder if it's the same for Marleau out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) I remember Jeremy Roenick was very critical of Marleau in his book, basically said he wasn't a hard worker and wasn't a motivator at all. Edited January 24, 2017 by mfitz804 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Roenick never struck me as the most stable guy, but yeah, not much love between those two: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/san-jose-sharks-patrick-marleau-jeremy-roenick-book-jr/ https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/puck-daddy/patrick-marleau-responds-absurd-jeremy-roenick-book-comments-213337637--nhl.html http://www.fearthefin.com/2011/5/9/2161424/jeremy-roenick-a-gutless-gutless-performance-by-patrick-marleau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 Roenick is a blowhard a$$hole. Also a loser on the ice who never won anything. He should keep his big mouth shut. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Roenick is a blowhard a$$hole. Also a loser on the ice who never won anything. He should keep his big mouth shut. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk To be fair, Marleau has never won anything either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.