sundstrom Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 You have to look at who he played against. Tom Preissing was never matched against top lines and played on a potent power play. Brian Pothier got a similar deal from the Capitals last year for doing the same thing. Preissing is being paid like the 2nd pairing defender he is - that's actually not that bad a deal. But on LA, his +/- should be closer to -20. exactly correct but this was a contract that lou could have given (or improved on slightly). again, there's no telling if he did offer preissing a contract and the guy just said, "i'm not going to NJ." souray or stuart now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msweet Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 You have to look at who he played against. Tom Preissing was never matched against top lines and played on a potent power play. Brian Pothier got a similar deal from the Capitals last year for doing the same thing. Preissing is being paid like the 2nd pairing defender he is - that's actually not that bad a deal. But on LA, his +/- should be closer to -20. Is that Triumph using +/- to make an argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Is that Triumph using +/- to make an argument? no - it's Triumph showing why +/- is useless without context. Preissing's +/- will drop between 40-50 points, and he won't get any worse or better - but his team and situation will. sundstrom - it is a contract Lou could've given, but why would he do that? Preissing just doesn't seem to fill our needs that well. I don't think he's a very good PP QB either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threestars Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 no - it's Triumph showing why +/- is useless without context. Preissing's +/- will drop between 40-50 points, and he won't get any worse or better - but his team and situation will.sundstrom - it is a contract Lou could've given, but why would he do that? Preissing just doesn't seem to fill our needs that well. I don't think he's a very good PP QB either. He is no PP QB whatsoever. I kinda liked him as a stay-at-home defense type. Certainly not an offensive D-man. Also how the hell he got that +/- still remains a mystery to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevil26 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 so UFA still left Forsberg, Souray, Bertuzzi, Shanahan, Handzus, Slava Kozlov, Stuart, Nagy Those are just from TFP's top thirty... but I think it's safe to say that Lou won't sign any injury prone older players... realistically I see Souray, Big Bert, Handzus, Kozlov, and Stuart are our best bets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voros19 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I'd be very happy with Bertuzzi and Stuart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevil26 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I'd be happy with Bertuzzi, Stuart, Souray, Kozlov in any combo with those four Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 (edited) When Souray comes off the board it will probably give us an idea of where Lou is thinking financially. Hes gotta be playing teams against each other now. I would bet hes the next name off the board. Edited July 2, 2007 by ghdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 The correct response is NONE OF THE ABOVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevil26 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 The correct response is NONE OF THE ABOVE. My thinking was like yours yesterday. Because of the ridiculous contracts being thrown around yesterday, Lou didn't make a move. At least that's what I think the reason was anyway. So these players that are left are our only options. Kozlov could be a #1 or #2 center which we NEED. Parise could be put at center for Bertuzzi to play wing... and Souray and Stuart are defenseman that we could really use. I really think Lou has to make a move, real soon. Some team who lost the running for the previously signed Dmen will make Souray a redic. offer... Lou has to step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekes Head Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 For sh!ts and giggles...what Єklund (2.3% accurate) (2.3% accurate) says about the top 20 remaining UFAs: TOP 20 UFA's LEFT AND RUMOURED DESTINATION 1. Dominik Hasek (Detroit, LA) 2. Brendan Shanahan (NY Rangers, Buffalo, Montreal, Detroit) 3. Michael Handzus (Chicago, Montreal, Buffalo, Colorado, San Jose, Toronto) 4. Slava Kozlov (Toronto, Atlanta, Dallas, Buffalo) 5. Sheldon Souray (LA, NJ, Anaheim, San Jose) 6. Bill Guerin (St. Louis, Ottawa, Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver, Islanders) 7. Danny Markov (NJ, Buffalo, Islanders) 8. Dainius Zubrus (Islanders, Montreal, Tampa) 9. Todd Bertuzzi (Calgary, Montreal, Boston) 10. Ladislav Nagy (LA, Toronto, NJ, Edmonton, Wild) 11. Teemu Selanne (Retiring) 12. Mike Peca (Islanders, Penguins, Capitals, Toronto, Montreal) 13. Mike Comrie (Ottawa, Washington) 14. Roman Hamrlik (Edmonton, LA, NJ, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Columbus) 15. Wes Walz ( Wild, Buffalo, Chicago, Montreal) 16. Bryan Smolinski (Vancouver, Florida, Pittsburgh, Washington, Columbus) 17. Ruslan Fedotenko (Detroit, NJ, Calgary) 18. Radek Bonk (Washington, Ottawa) 19. Robert Esche (Tampa, Chicago, Pitt) 20. Brent Sopel (Colorado, San Jose, Atlanta) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 (edited) goddammit RD lol Edited July 2, 2007 by ghdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 unless you're giving stuart or souray 4/20, you're not getting them. i would give it to stuart. souray i'd top at 3 years but i'd give him 4.5/year. bertuzzi on a incentive type deal for short years? ok. handzus is possible if it's 3 years or less and $4M or less (his injury still scares the hell out of me). shanny's will take whatever the rangers give him kozlov - pass nagy - pass forsberg - won't come (although i'd offer him 1 year $5M to see). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 He has Comrie and Bonk possibly going back to Ottawa? This guy is an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 #6 on RD's list isn't an awful idea for a one year deal but i think triumph would have a heart attack out of anger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msweet Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Say No to Fedotenko Bertuzzi, I'm in... short term Souray I'm really in (fills lots of holes) No to all others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 (edited) unless you're giving stuart or souray 4/20, you're not getting them. i would give it to stuart. souray i'd top at 3 years but i'd give him 4.5/year.bertuzzi on a incentive type deal for short years? ok. handzus is possible if it's 3 years or less and $4M or less (his injury still scares the hell out of me). shanny's will take whatever the rangers give him kozlov - pass nagy - pass forsberg - won't come (although i'd offer him 1 year $5M to see). souray is going to get 5/30 - curious why you think he'd drop down that far. I recognize that Rafalski is a more valuable player but NHL GMs are stupid and don't study their history. stuart i'd definitely give 4/20 even though I don't like him, I think the Kool-Aid might work well with him. to me lou's always been concerned with blowing his salary structure out of whack - he still has a very collegiate mindset on how to build a team and he hates the idea of paying less valuable players more money than an established guy on his team - i think he thinks it creates resentment, jealousy, and is not conducive to building a winner. wasn't it lou who said we'd all be better off if NHL salaries were not public? sundstrom, if we got guerin, i think the police would be called several times during devils games - by midseason i'd be committed to an institution. they'd force me to watch tapes of guerin in dallas and boston clockwork orange-style - i'd come back to this board defending his inevitable playoff disappearence. Edited July 2, 2007 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekes Head Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 He just edited his list, seeing as he completely forgot about Stuart. Nice. 1. Dominik Hasek (Detroit, LA) 2. Brendan Shanahan (NY Rangers, Buffalo, Montreal, Detroit) 3. Michael Handzus (Chicago, Montreal, Buffalo, Colorado, San Jose, Toronto) 4. Slava Kozlov (Toronto, Atlanta, Dallas, Buffalo) 5. Sheldon Souray (LA, NJ, Anaheim, San Jose) 6. Brad Stuart (LA, NJ) 7. Bill Guerin (St. Louis, Ottawa, Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver, Islanders) 8. Danny Markov (NJ, Buffalo, Islanders) 9. Dainius Zubrus (Islanders, Montreal, Tampa) 10. Todd Bertuzzi (Calgary, Montreal, Boston) 11. Ladislav Nagy (LA, Toronto, NJ, Edmonton, Wild) 12. Teemu Selanne (Retiring) 12. Mike Peca (Islanders, Penguins, Capitals, Toronto, Montreal) 13. Mike Comrie (Ottawa, Washington) 14. Roman Hamrlik (Edmonton, LA, NJ, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Columbus) 15. Wes Walz ( Wild, Buffalo, Chicago, Montreal) 16. Bryan Smolinski (Vancouver, Florida, Pittsburgh, Washington, Columbus) 17. Ruslan Fedotenko (Detroit, NJ, Calgary) 18. Radek Bonk (Washington, Ottawa) 19. Joey McDonald (Nashville, Tampa, Chicago, Pitt) 20. Brent Sopel (Colorado, San Jose, Atlanta) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threestars Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Esche to Tampa.....OK......cos they don't goalie problems already. Comrie to Ottawa, I can kinda believe. He wants to stay. But if he wants the $$$s he will not be. Bonk to Ottawa....ya, right. He'd last about a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 well at least he doesnt have Sopel coming here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 How much do you guys think Danny Markov would cost? I wouldn't be against signing him if it was somewhat reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC Devs Fan Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 sundstrom, if we got guerin, i think the police would be called several times during devils games - by midseason i'd be committed to an institution. they'd force me to watch tapes of guerin in dallas and boston clockwork orange-style - i'd come back to this board defending his inevitable playoff disappearence. You'd have to win some new board award for your dedication to the team if you got insitutionalized for the good of the team (or the good of the board) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Markov is probably 4 per I would assume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOTCB Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 TOP 20 UFA's LEFT AND RUMOURED DESTINATION1. Dominik Hasek (Detroit, LA) 2. Brendan Shanahan (NY Rangers, Buffalo, Montreal, Detroit) 3. Michael Handzus (Chicago, Montreal, Buffalo, Colorado, San Jose, Toronto) 4. Slava Kozlov (Toronto, Atlanta, Dallas, Buffalo) 5. Sheldon Souray (LA, NJ, Anaheim, San Jose) 6. Bill Guerin (St. Louis, Ottawa, Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver, Islanders) 7. Danny Markov (NJ, Buffalo, Islanders) 8. Dainius Zubrus (Islanders, Montreal, Tampa) 9. Todd Bertuzzi (Calgary, Montreal, Boston) 10. Ladislav Nagy (LA, Toronto, NJ, Edmonton, Wild) 11. Teemu Selanne (Retiring) 12. Mike Peca (Islanders, Penguins, Capitals, Toronto, Montreal) 13. Mike Comrie (Ottawa, Washington) 14. Roman Hamrlik (Edmonton, LA, NJ, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Columbus) 15. Wes Walz ( Wild, Buffalo, Chicago, Montreal) 16. Bryan Smolinski (Vancouver, Florida, Pittsburgh, Washington, Columbus) 17. Ruslan Fedotenko (Detroit, NJ, Calgary) 18. Radek Bonk (Washington, Ottawa) 19. Robert Esche (Tampa, Chicago, Pitt) 20. Brent Sopel (Colorado, San Jose, Atlanta) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekes Head Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 It appears as though he merely took a hat, tossed the names of each team in and shuffled it up. The end result = his rumors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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