DJ Eco Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) Maybe Satans Hockey is right. Maybe Richter got more respect because he was not just an American, but an American Olympian. Shouldn't matter, though. If you can't tip your cap to your opponent after the battle is done, it says a lot. Perhaps we should abolish the handshake line at the end of every playoff series as well? That's why they're on the ice and we're in the stands. Our "opponent" are Rainjizzzz fans and more often than not, they're a bunch of high-horse disrespectful SOBs in our building who don't see more than 3-4 hockey games live a year. The players on the ice should have nothing but respect for each other though, they're all athletes. They're not some 16 year old calling girls in Devils jerseys "Snookie" or telling us our state is trash. And in that capacity, I'd quietly reflect and respect a longstanding Rangers player's career at the end of it, but I wouldn't give the d-bags (more often than not) next to me the satisfaction of us respecting their franchise, because it would never ever be reciprocated. That's a rivalry! Edited October 3, 2014 by DJ Eco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 That's why they're on the ice and we're in the stands. Our "opponent" are Rainjizzzz fans and more often than not, they're a bunch of high-horse disrespectful SOBs in our building who don't see more than 3-4 hockey games live a year. The players on the ice should have nothing but respect for each other though, they're all athletes. They're not some 16 year old calling girls in Devils jerseys "Snookie" or telling us our state is trash. And in that capacity, I'd quietly reflect and respect a longstanding Rangers player's career at the end of it, but I wouldn't give the d-bags (more often than not) next to me the satisfaction of us respecting their franchise, because it would never ever be reciprocated. That's a rivalry! That part always cracks me up with Rags fans. The reason is more likely than not the Rags fans in the stands at the Rock live in NJ as well, but grew up rooting for the Rags either because a) their family are life-long Rags fans, b) they have "New York" in their name or c) they have been brainwashed by MSG enough over the years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Buck should have walked him at yankee stadium, LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) Here's some class for you: fvck the Rangers, their mongoloid fans, Lundqvist, Richter, Messier, and anyone else Ranger fans worship. I have no time for 'class' when it comes to anything regarding that piece of sh!t franchise, and I could care less what anyone says or thinks about it, or me. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Edited October 3, 2014 by MadDog2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Here's some class for you: fvck the Rangers, their mongoloid fans, Lundqvist, Richter, Messier, and anyone else Ranger fans worship. I have no time for 'class' when it comes to anything regarding that piece of sh!t franchise, and I could care less what anyone says or thinks about it, or me. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. Ok now tell us how you really feel.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Ok now tell us how you really feel....I have no respect for organizations that don't respect ours. Period. If I inherited a large enough sum to buy an NHL team, I'd buy the Rags and move them out to Nassau Coliseum if for no other reason then to just sh!t on their fans' heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRASHER Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 The times they are a changing. Could use Crasher and his Tardis. You NEVER go back on your own timeline....bad things happen #YesIWatchTooMuchDrWhoNow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brown Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 The whole thing (as well with Rivera last year) has been beyond silly. This could only happen in baseball and even further only to the Yankees. Since every other team all year has been showering Jeter with gifts that he could easily afford normally, people would have been complaining if the Red Sox didn't give him something. It's dumb and only helps his, Majestic's (or whoever is the major apparel brand for MLB) and Steiner's wallets. You do realize it started with Chipper Jones, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 You do realize it started with Chipper Jones, right? Chipper jones never got nearly the same level send off as Rivera and now jeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Chipper jones never got nearly the same level send off as Rivera and now jeter Chipper Jones was hardly one of (if not the) greatest ever to play his position (Rivera) nor was he an icon the stature of Jeter. Chipper got the same gift treatment from other clubs, it just didnt get the media attention b/c it was fvcking Chipper Jones. It wasn't done for Posada or Pettite (nor should it have). I don't even necessarily "agree" with it for Jeter, but its completely understandable why it was. Had Jeter played for the Mariners his whole career no one would care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Chipper Jones was hardly one of (if not the) greatest ever to play his position (Rivera) nor was he an icon the stature of Jeter. Chipper got the same gift treatment from other clubs, it just didnt get the media attention b/c it was fvcking Chipper Jones. It wasn't done for Posada or Pettite (nor should it have). I don't even necessarily "agree" with it for Jeter, but its completely understandable why it was. Had Jeter played for the Mariners his whole career no one would care. Exactly. So we agree lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Exactly. So we agree lol Not wholly. Its completely understandable why Jeter got the attention he did. He was the cornerstone (whether others had better #s or not) of the most recognizable club in all of baseball. People care about Jeter because of this, plus add to it that neither him nor Rivera did not get tainted by any sort of scandal. Personally, I recognize that Jeter's #s are comparable to Craig Biggio's, but doing it in a Yankee uniform always carries more weight to it and the fact they won so many titles with him playing a key role also upgrades his stature. I don't see any sort of room for argument against Rivera's attention. He was the best closer in the history of the game. These two guys especially never changed teams and they were almost always productive right up until the end. Obviously, because it was with the Yankees it means a lot more and to a lot more people because of the size of the fanbase, but its the same way for a Cowboys QB, a top player on Real Madrid, a Notre Dame QB, etc provided they're successful. There are some teams/organizations that have a lot of weight behind the brand. Obviously, playing for the Astros or Mariners, or even the Braves isn't the same. Complaining about it isn't going to change it. And to compare it to the Devils or really anyone in hockey is almost silly. The Devils are not a popular team and the rivalries mean something more in hockey still. I don't remember how Gretzky decided to retire, but if he retired today and announced he was playing his final season, I'd not be surprised to see Gretzky get similar attention simply because he's the guy who transcended the sport. Same thing with Michael Jordan. Baseball is up its own ass though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie McKraut Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 It doens't surprise me when multi-multi millionaires of all regions, loyalties, crafts, and creeds take a moment or two to stimulate each others' gonads. I hope it doesn't happen with the Devils, if a parellel circumstance ever arises, but I wouldn't be shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 It doens't surprise me when multi-multi millionaires of all regions, loyalties, crafts, and creeds take a moment or two to stimulate each others' gonads. I hope it doesn't happen with the Devils, if a parellel circumstance ever arises, but I wouldn't be shocked. It will not happen in hockey in the same way. It would take a guy of Gretzky's stature for it to happen, someone who arguably became bigger than the sport and even in that respect I imagine it still wouldnt happen because of how the rivalries are treated. Even if Gretzky played for the Leafs or Habs his entire career, I wouldnt expect it. We're comparing it to baseball, which is still the most ridiculous sport in the country in how it holds a grip on the national pasttime BS when its been surpassed by the NFL and fewer and fewer people care about the baseball regular season. Baseball has an elitist mentality about itself that none of the other sports (aside from the NFL) have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brown Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) Chipper Jones was hardly one of (if not the) greatest ever to play his position (Rivera) nor was he an icon the stature of Jeter. Chipper got the same gift treatment from other clubs, it just didnt get the media attention b/c it was fvcking Chipper Jones. It wasn't done for Posada or Pettite (nor should it have). I don't even necessarily "agree" with it for Jeter, but its completely understandable why it was. Had Jeter played for the Mariners his whole career no one would care. Chipper is probably a top 10 3rd baseman in MLB history. He absolutely was one of the greatest at his position. BTW, just to clarify, I think these retirement tours are silly as well. I just don't think it's fair to criticize the Yankees when they had no involvement in it. Jeter, Rivera, nor the Yankees didn't ask for this. Edited October 6, 2014 by Mike Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Chipper is probably a top 10 3rd baseman in MLB history. He absolutely was one of the greatest at his position. BTW, just to clarify, I think these retirement tours are silly as well. I just don't think it's fair to criticize the Yankees when they had no involvement in it. Jeter, Rivera, nor the Yankees didn't ask for this. I don't have a problem with guys like Jeter and Rivera doing this, but let's face it, neither one is a dummy...they know full well what they mean to Yankee fans (and to the sport in general, spending the entirety of their long and very successful careers with one of the most visible and best-known franchises ever). They knew they have a level of respect around the league that would mean they'd get some special treatment, even from the teams that Jeter and Rivera helped to defeat. They asked for it on some level, and it's not like the Yankees were terribly upset about the extra tickets they wound up selling as Jeter's last home games were being played. Like I said, I don't have a problem with either player announcing that they were playing their final season...the alternative would be the press asking them constantly about their futures (and the NY press can beat something like that to death as well as anyone), and fans feeling a little slighted that they wouldn't have been able to say goodbye (though there clearly would've been a Derek Jeter Day or a Mariano Rivera Day in 2015 under such circumstances). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 You NEVER go back on your own timeline....bad things happen Unless you're Austin Powers, and then you spend that time telling yourself how DAM good looking you are!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matteau#32 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I think the main thing is Derek Jeter is just overrated as an all-time great. If you want to buy into the legend, and the R2spect, the "clutchness" and the "plays the game the right way stuff"...well go for it. He won championships and got to play his career for NY because they had unlimited funds to build great teams and paid him whatever he wanted, but as for his total value...well the legend trumps his actual contributions. His all-time WAR ranks way down the list. As Keith Olbermann noted, it's a touch better than Scott Rolen. Adrian Beltre has been a better player throughout his entire career than Jeter has. You didn't see anyone even notice when Scott Rolen retired. Exactly. I was watching some of the last game at Yankee Stadium and when they showed Tino, Bernie and the rest of his former teammates I said, "They are all thinking, 'You don't have any of this without us'". Jeter is NOT an immortal like many want to believe and if he was truly a great leader he would have got people to lay of ARod when he first went to the Yanks. Jeter was a great player yes, but the whole farewell tour was ridiculous. I also completely agree with the originial poster. I would hate to see the Rangers do something like that for Brodeur or an Islander. Closest thing the Rangers did was Lemieux's last game at MSG prior to his first retirement in 97. I was at the game, with about 40 seconds left (think Rangers were up 3-0), Pens put Lemieux on the ice after a whistle. Rangers put out Gretzky and Messier and there was a standing ovation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matteau#32 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Couldn't disagree more. There are moments BIGGER than a stupid rivalry. If a truly great was honored by the Devils in a farewell tour, I'd give them a great send off. Hockey players rarely do farewell tours though. Teemu did it, but didn't get the fanfare Jeter did. Baseball is different though. The Devils barely do that with players who have come back after signing elsewhere and I've always hated that. I'd be happy with honoring players when they come back who were important to the team, i.e. Parise, Niedermayer, Gionta, etc. It's sad, and it shows Lou doesn't concern himself with the history of the game and how it important it is to the game and fans. It is contradictory to everything else Lou talks about in terms of respect and doing things the right way. They've been on the wrong side of this for years. Completely different scenario with honoring your own former players on their return. Sad thing about the Teemu comparison is he is a MUCH better hockey player than Jeter was a baseball player. Jeter retiring is not bigger than the rivalry. The rivalry was there before him and will continue after him. Chipper is probably a top 10 3rd baseman in MLB history. He absolutely was one of the greatest at his position. BTW, just to clarify, I think these retirement tours are silly as well. I just don't think it's fair to criticize the Yankees when they had no involvement in it. Jeter, Rivera, nor the Yankees didn't ask for this. Yes, they did. To think otherwise is being naive. Yes, Chipper was one of the greatest 3b of all-time and a much better player than Jeter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Just a funny btw the fans at WWE Raw last night in Brooklyn were chanting Derek Jeter during one of the stupid pointless matches lol Edited October 7, 2014 by Satans Hockey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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