NJD67 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Top class goalie needed.The 2 at the moment are not up to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils01 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 We appreciate your professional input. We were not aware. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButlerBulldog Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, NJD67 said: Top class goalie needed.The 2 at the moment are not up to it Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of options with respect to available free-agents, and making a trade that might use up the Devils’ remaining cap room doesn’t make sense, as any goalie acquired would likely be only a lateral move from Vanecek and Schmid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ButlerBulldog said: Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of options with respect to available free-agents, and making a trade that might use up the Devils’ remaining cap room doesn’t make sense, as any goalie acquired would likely be only a lateral move from Vanecek and Schmid. I think the move at this point is to start giving Daws some games, for the exact reasons you just stated. The fans who clamor for a “better” goalie usually can’t name one or are able to state what they’re willing to give up. And I’m not knocking those fans…at this point I’d be all for an upgrade too, but there’s not a lot of good goalies available at the moment. I’d even explore a lateral move, but how much would Fitz want to give up for that? Edited December 22, 2023 by Colorado Rockies 1976 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButlerBulldog Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: I think the move at this point is to start giving Daws some games, for the exact reasons you just stated. The fans who clamor for a “better” goalie usually can’t name one or are able to state what they’re willing to give up. And I’m not knocking those fans…at this point I’d be all for an upgrade too, but there’s not a lot of good goalies available at the moment. I’d even explore a lateral move at this point, but how much would Fitz want to give up for that? I wonder if we’ll start hearing bigger names as the trade deadline approaches, but like you said, what would Fitz have to give up to get one of them? As much as the Devils’ need to address their goaltending issues, it’s not worth trading a big piece of the team’s future (e.g., Nemec) to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, ButlerBulldog said: I wonder if we’ll start hearing bigger names as the trade deadline approaches, but like you said, what would Fitz have to give up to get one of them? As much as the Devils’ need to address their goaltending issues, it’s not worth trading a big piece of the team’s future (e.g., Nemec) to do it. Luke and Nemec will remain untouchable for the foreseeable future. Also, no one who’s THAT good who would actually be available that would demand such a price tag. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 wtf kind of thread is this? Haven’t we been discussing this for a couple months now in every other thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButlerBulldog Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 minute ago, 2ELIAS6 said: wtf kind of thread is this? Haven’t we been discussing this for a couple months now in every other thread? I’m not sure, but it caught our attention and has taken on a life of its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 We need a goalie? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, ButlerBulldog said: Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of options with respect to available free-agents, and making a trade that might use up the Devils’ remaining cap room doesn’t make sense, as any goalie acquired would likely be only a lateral move from Vanecek and Schmid. Gibson is an upgrade and if Vitek heads the other way, we can make it work, but we might have to trade Mercer or Holtz. Tough call. And if we get Gibson, we can forget about re-signing Toffoli. We probably weren't going to be able to re-sign him anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Hate to even say it, but Mercer for Askarov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Jimmy Leeds said: Hate to even say it, but Mercer for Askarov I don't know, I think we need a veteran if we can get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Jake Allen supposedly being discussed https://newjerseyhockeynow.com/2023/12/22/devils-internally-discussing-goaltender-jake-allen-as-trade-target/?fbclid=IwAR1NJODFZflQv-0L9v2MpiF69IeFfSmBILOqNtqqoeYkTFne7oIil_GEDjc_aem_AQ2LbeuxFyWq9jFpZFPcI9IHmwrerDrIS-dsvT8Wt7EZkwmyeM2MOfruU8ZwIkMN-z4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Jake Allen supposedly being discussed https://newjerseyhockeynow.com/2023/12/22/devils-internally-discussing-goaltender-jake-allen-as-trade-target/?fbclid=IwAR1NJODFZflQv-0L9v2MpiF69IeFfSmBILOqNtqqoeYkTFne7oIil_GEDjc_aem_AQ2LbeuxFyWq9jFpZFPcI9IHmwrerDrIS-dsvT8Wt7EZkwmyeM2MOfruU8ZwIkMN-z4 He’s only signed through next season. As far as a “what the hell?” kind of move goes, it’s not too bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 I honestly think the coach needs to be replaced, getting us a goalie is nice and all but how do they plan to fix the rest of the team? The whole goddamn thing is a fvcking dumpster fire right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just now, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: He’s only signed through next season. As far as a “what the hell?” kind of move goes, it’s not too bad. Yep. The Wild are playing better, but I wonder if Marc-Andre Fleury would waive his no-trade to go to a playoff team if they fall back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, 2ELIAS6 said: I honestly think the coach needs to be replaced, getting us a goalie is nice and all but how do they plan to fix the rest of the team? The whole goddamn thing is a fvcking dumpster fire right now The coach is definitely a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Jerrydevil said: I don't know, I think we need a veteran if we can get one. Yeah, I get it..............but still........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButlerBulldog Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Jerrydevil said: Gibson is an upgrade and if Vitek heads the other way, we can make it work, but we might have to trade Mercer or Holtz. Tough call. And if we get Gibson, we can forget about re-signing Toffoli. We probably weren't going to be able to re-sign him anyway. Gibson played extremely well against the Devils, but I’m not convinced he can play to that level all the time. That said, if the Devils were to acquire him, I’d much rather give up Mercer than Holtz because, as much as I like Dawson, I’d rather keep the player who provides steady production game-to-game than the one who’s either hot or cold. 1 hour ago, 2ELIAS6 said: I honestly think the coach needs to be replaced, getting us a goalie is nice and all but how do they plan to fix the rest of the team? The whole goddamn thing is a fvcking dumpster fire right now 1 hour ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: The coach is definitely a problem. Lindy is definitely holding the team back from playing to its potential, but I don’t think Fitz will make a move while the Devils still have a shot at the postseason. Besides, as others have pointed out, it would likely take the group at least twenty games to adjust to the new coach. The Devils don’t have that kind of time if they want to make run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oglethorpe13 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 They should take a day to go watch any other hockey team, and make note of how much more sense it makes to not have both defensemen behind the goal line at the same time. And vitek can take note that it's easier to stop pucks when you face the play instead of turning your back, flopping, and hoping for the best. Don't get me started on passing up the middle of the ice when pressured.... If they can't move on from lindy, at the very least get rid of the goalie coach. Idk how he still has a job, even without taking this season into consideration 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smelly Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 5 hours ago, ButlerBulldog said: Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of options with respect to available free-agents, and making a trade that might use up the Devils’ remaining cap room doesn’t make sense, as any goalie acquired would likely be only a lateral move from Vanecek and Schmid. It would not be a lateral move at all. VV and AS have been so bad that anyone slightly under league average would be a marked improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButlerBulldog Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 29 minutes ago, smelly said: It would not be a lateral move at all. VV and AS have been so bad that anyone slightly under league average would be a marked improvement. You’re forgetting that a slightly-below-average goaltender would likely perform worse on the Devils, who also have one of the league’s worst defenses and whose forwards are often careless with the puck, leading to turnovers and odd-man rushes resulting in further scoring opportunities for opponents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aitchmack Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 I think we need a goalie coach as much as we need a goalie. Rogalski hasn't received anywhere near the criticism he deserves. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Ottawa Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 What about crazy deal of Samsonov for VV? Change of scenery fix for both? Or terrible idea? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smelly Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, ButlerBulldog said: You’re forgetting that a slightly-below-average goaltender would likely perform worse on the Devils, who also have one of the league’s worst defenses and whose forwards are often careless with the puck, leading to turnovers and odd-man rushes resulting in further scoring opportunities for opponents. But that's already baked into the hypothetical. The relevant comparison is not how well the new addition plays with the Devils vs. how he played with the old team, but rather how he performs with the Devils as compared to VV/AS. And the latter is almost certain to be net positive, even if the first is not. Edited December 23, 2023 by smelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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