hystyk28 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 For this current squad it absolutely does. No question about it. Adding Crosby adds SO MUCH more offensive production from him and his wingers. This team would have 30-40 goals more. Right, because guys all find playing with Crosby easy. Interested in seeing how Sid lobotomizes this forward group so they can finish. The forwards are GIGO no matter what single player you add to the roster. This place really does get selective memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Right, because guys all find playing with Crosby easy. Interested in seeing how Sid lobotomizes this forward group so they can finish. The forwards are GIGO no matter what single player you add to the roster. This place really does get selective memory.You are very very wrong to say not one player dead or alive makes this team a playoff team. Crosby does and many others do as well. I shouldnt even have to explain why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hystyk28 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 You are very very wrong to say not one player dead or alive makes this team a playoff team. Crosby does and many others do as well. I shouldnt even have to explain why. You obviously don't understand the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 You obviously don't understand the game.Ugh, look in the mirror and say that . Goodnight sir. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 There isn't a single player dead or alive that makes this team a playoff team. This is plain wrong. The Devils could very well finish this season a few games above NHL .500. You have arguably one of the top five goalies in the league and a defense that should get better next year. Adding a center that will conservatively put up 70 points -- with pretty much nothing in production lost by whoever he's replacing -- does make this a good bet to be a playoff team. I'll also add that he people that just respond saying "you don't know anything about hockey" generally don't know what they're talking about. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Right that is 2 players. I'll take my shot with the 4, one of which is a great NHL'er. One that looks to have a ton of upside and 2 very good picks. What if he refused to report because of the Devils style? I take the 4 players and have a decent shot of a skilled top 6 again. Lol, what other fictional scenarios can we come up with that could possibly happen, that we can use to justify the trade? McDavid is worth more than just about any asset in the league. The whole point in drafting is to get players. Trading an almost certain generational talent for what could be two really good players is ludicrous. You obviously don't understand the game. lol, this is so douchey. Plus, you attack him, but have provided almost no substance in any of your posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Most years 92 points is the threshold for the playoffs - this is not the case this year but most years it is. NJ is on pace for 82 points this year. Is McDavid a 5 wins/season player? Not in his rookie year, probably not, but one has to imagine that the Devils would immediately start adding pieces around him, so they'd be in the playoff race at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 And what do you know, Craig Custance wrote an article where he asked a couple of GMs what it would take to trade the number 1 pick this year assuming there's no Lindros type situation. (Behind paywall unfortunately). http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/craig-custance/post?id=5286&ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_Custance_TradeMcDavidPick A few snippets. “It would have to be built around a young stud,” he answered, naming a couple superstar players in the league who would qualify, guys up for major awards right now. “But how many GMs are in position to expose themselves to being wrong?” On Monday, following the first day of the NHL general managers meeting, this same question was posed to Winnipeg Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff, another GM whose team is fighting for a playoff spot. If the Jets don’t make it, they’ll likely fall into one of those final lottery positions, the kind that have a less than one percent chance of earning the No. 1 pick. But if lightning strikes, what would it take him to trade out of it? “Probably a new general manager,” Cheveldayoff said, laughing. “When special players like that come around, they certainly can make an impact.” Really, there’s one GM most qualified to answer that question. Buffalo Sabres GM Tim Murray currently runs the franchise most likely to win the draft lottery, and barring a late-season charge, will have a 20 percent chance of landing the McDavid pick when the NHL hosts its draft lottery. To a guy like Cheveldayoff, the price to trade McDavid is more of a thought exercise. To a guy like Murray, it may be a question he actually faces. “It would be impossible -- almost impossible for me to move it,” Murray said on Monday afternoon. “I can’t give you names, right?” But I guess these guys don't know anything about hockey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 You obviously don't understand the game.Yeah... You might wanna check yourself on that one, given the argument you just decisively lost. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roomtemp Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 If they got McDavid and traded Merrill or Larsson for a really good young forward this team would barely make it or miss and next year definitely make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 And what do you know, Craig Custance wrote an article where he asked a couple of GMs what it would take to trade the number 1 pick this year assuming there's no Lindros type situation. (Behind paywall unfortunately). http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/craig-custance/post?id=5286&ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_Custance_TradeMcDavidPick A few snippets. But I guess these guys don't know anything about hockey. Excellent find Daniel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Not only would we be getting a generational hockey player in McDavid but for a small market team such as ours he'd be great for marketing. He'd be great for anyone's marketing regardless of market. But the Devils are not a small market team. We're located in one of the most densely populated metropolitan areas in the world, the #1 television market, and have a top 10 in the league TV deal with MSG (7th in the league, but dont get the ratings or attendance). The 7th best TV deal is not small market (same deal as the the Isles, but a better TV deal than the Flyers). The problem is we're sandwiched in with Rangers and Flyers fans, teams with longer histories than ours despite our more recent success. There's only so much hockey that an area can take (unless Canada), but the Devils are not a small market. If the team plays well, attendance and ratings go up because then casuals care. We're affected more b/c of the other local fanbases. The Devils can "afford" weaker attendance b/c the TV deal offsets it to an extent + playing in one of the busiest arenas in the country doesn't hurt. McDavid makes any team in the league that much richer in every respect. As for the 7th pick: Strome, Zacha, Marner, Barzal, Kyle Connor, or Crouse (order of preference). If we got any of those, we'd be getting very good potential. If we win the lottery, there is almost no circumstance (unless he pulled a Lindros) where I even consider trading the pick away if I have a chance to take Connor McDavid unless it was an overpay of epic proportions. 2 firsts, a bonafide superstar forward, and probably another 2nd tier guy at the minimum. Edited March 17, 2015 by ghdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsu1852 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Correct me if Im wrong but isnt there a good chance we can get in the top 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) Correct me if Im wrong but isnt there a good chance we can get in the top 5? Only if we finish in the bottom five in the league. Winning the lottery would give us the #1 pick. We would have the 7th pick if the season ended today and neither we, nor a team above us wins the lottery. Us drafting at #5 or below, sans lottery win, is very unlikely as the team with the #5 pick right now is Carolina, who is 9 points behind us. 6th is possible if Columbus can string a winning streak together. Edited March 17, 2015 by Neb00rs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsu1852 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Only if we finish in the bottom five in the league. Winning the lottery would give us the #1 pick. We would have the 7th pick if the season ended today and neither we, nor a team above us wins the lottery. Us drafting at #5 or below, sans lottery win, is very unlikely as the team with the #5 pick right now is Carolina, who is 9 points behind us. 6th is possible if Columbus can string a winning streak together. I know this sounds dumb, but I thought the bottom 14 teams had a chance for the #1 or am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I know this sounds dumb, but I thought the bottom 14 teams had a chance for the #1 or am I wrong? Yes, but in the 7th position, our odds are only 6.5%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsu1852 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Okay thanks for the info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 If NJ got McDavid and Schneider has a similar year NJ would make the playoffs for sure IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Yes, but in the 7th position, our odds are only 6.5%. Well, at least there's a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) He'd be great for anyone's marketing regardless of market. But the Devils are not a small market team. We're located in one of the most densely populated metropolitan areas in the world, the #1 television market, and have a top 10 in the league TV deal with MSG (7th in the league, but dont get the ratings or attendance). The 7th best TV deal is not small market (same deal as the the Isles, but a better TV deal than the Flyers). The problem is we're sandwiched in with Rangers and Flyers fans, teams with longer histories than ours despite our more recent success. There's only so much hockey that an area can take (unless Canada), but the Devils are not a small market. If the team plays well, attendance and ratings go up because then casuals care. We're affected more b/c of the other local fanbases. The Devils can "afford" weaker attendance b/c the TV deal offsets it to an extent + playing in one of the busiest arenas in the country doesn't hurt. McDavid makes any team in the league that much richer in every respect. As for the 7th pick: Strome, Zacha, Marner, Barzal, Kyle Connor, or Crouse (order of preference). If we got any of those, we'd be getting very good potential. If we win the lottery, there is almost no circumstance (unless he pulled a Lindros) where I even consider trading the pick away if I have a chance to take Connor McDavid unless it was an overpay of epic proportions. 2 firsts, a bonafide superstar forward, and probably another 2nd tier guy at the minimum. I agree and disagree. The market itself might be big but as you said we are greatly overpowered by Rags and Flyers fans. Next season the Isles will be in Brooklyn and they are a good team that is fun to watch. So while we are in a big market we are still a small market team in that our fan base is basically the size of a small market team. On top of that we are defensively focused and boring to watch. I've been through 2 relocation scares since I've been watching this team. McDavid would help any team he goes to financially but for a team that struggles with ticket sales and viewership he would help more. A team like Toronto or the Rags will make their billions regardless. A team like Arizona or NJ would benefit more. The TV deal is nice but what happens when that expires and we're still low on ticket sales? Another relocation threat. And by that time the Isles will be much more established as a good team. We will be the odd ones out in the metro area. That's why I sound like a broken record when I say Lou needs to kill the defensive minded game and ice a team that people will pay to go see. Well, at least there's a chance. Does anyone remember what our odds of winning were when we won the lottery in 2011? Edited March 18, 2015 by Jerzey Devil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 3.6% chance when the Devils won the lottery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hystyk28 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 And what do you know, Craig Custance wrote an article where he asked a couple of GMs what it would take to trade the number 1 pick this year assuming there's no Lindros type situation. (Behind paywall unfortunately). http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/craig-custance/post?id=5286&ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_Custance_TradeMcDavidPick A few snippets. But I guess these guys don't know anything about hockey. Yes, because what was asked is exactly what we were talking about. The initial proposal was JVR, this years TOR first, next years TOR first, and Nylander. Go ask those GM's about that. Also, each team has their own needs. THIS team has zero offensive assets. One player isn't turning around this team. I don't care who it is. The style of play would also diminish their current offensive talent no matter who comes here. Also, look how long it took for the Isles to build around Tavares. There is zilch in the system, I look forward to looking at the same posts for the next 5 years blaming Lou, Conte, and how we still have no forwards. How are the Devils going to acquire any real offensive talent? How? Don't just complain, come up with a proposed solution. Take a real long look at the current lineup and Albany. Think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Yes, because what was asked is exactly what we were talking about. The initial proposal was JVR, this years TOR first, next years TOR first, and Nylander. Go ask those GM's about that. Also, each team has their own needs. THIS team has zero offensive assets. One player isn't turning around this team. I don't care who it is. The style of play would also diminish their current offensive talent no matter who comes here. Also, look how long it took for the Isles to build around Tavares. There is zilch in the system, I look forward to looking at the same posts for the next 5 years blaming Lou, Conte, and how we still have no forwards. How are the Devils going to acquire any real offensive talent? How? Don't just complain, come up with a proposed solution. Take a real long look at the current lineup and Albany. Think about it. You don't seem to understand how these sorts of superstar players function. They make everyone on the ice with them way better. Sure, Reid Boucher doesn't look that great now, but put him on Crosby's wing and he probably scores 25 goals. Likewise if you put Chris Kunitz on the Devils he probably scores 20 goals a year. The Islanders had several problems during the Tavares era, the largest of which was goaltending. They had the lowest 5 on 5 save percentage out of the 30 teams since Tavares arrived. That's a difficult hurdle to clear and they seem to have finally done it this year. The Devils don't have that problem at all. McDavid would land on a team with a top 5 goalie and a solid D. Sure, the offensive pieces around him wouldn't be great, but NJ would not be a bottom of the league offense with a healthy McDavid in his prime - he just makes a top line and power play too good. Edited March 18, 2015 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) whats terrible is that there's no control on our future on the attack. It's clear its gonna have to come from trades or from the market. I think our drafting as been terrible enough and for long enough that we can safely discard the chance of a saviour through the draft or at least its gonna take awhile. then trades... that means you take a step back somehow sending something away. and on the market well we'd have to overpay for sure and then it doesnt even mean players would want to come here. so we're not in a situation like other teams where we just have to be patient and get it together with the pieces we have... were in a position where were clearly missing top assets and god knows how we'll get them and if we'll get them and if its gonna be enough. Severson and Schneider are the 2 players on this team that i could see as "face of the franchise" who would be worth displaying next to Crosby/Malkin, Quick/Doughty/kopitar, Duchene/landeskog/Mackinnon, Toews/Keith/Kane etc etc etc you need those guys to win and most of the time those guys are homegrown... The only team who managed to get tons of top players through UFA is minny and it's not because of the way the team was ran or wtv, was mostly cause it was in Minny and players wanted to go home. Edited March 18, 2015 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Does anyone remember what our odds of winning were when we won the lottery in 2011? I think actually a little lower than what they likely will be this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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