Daniel Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Thirteen points thus far with an offensive oriented team. Not exactly worth a $5 million cap hit. And doesn't look like he would be making the team much better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamtheprodigy Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Yeah, where's that 50 point season quarterbacking the power play that everyone was talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanity_gallops Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Yeah, where's that 50 point season quarterbacking the power play that everyone was talking about? I don't know who was speculating that, but that's not Martin's game. Rafalski, yes, Martin, no. Martin's a solid position player, not an offensive dynamo. Plus he's behind Letang and Goligoski on the offense-dman chart. If either of them went down with an injury, he'd see more 1st unit time. Martin & Michalek have bolstered the team's defense, but neither one was brought on board in hopes of being an offensive sparkplug. Martin's +9 and helping get the puck out of the zone and in transition, and Michalek has blocked 73 shots in 34 games. Devils don't miss Martin's point production as much as they miss his ability to break out of the d-zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderDogX Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 and yet, still better than Andy Greene. (no offense Mrs. Greene...Crasher) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elias2600 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 His personal stats don't matter when his team is doing well and is a lock for the playoffs. I never really thought he was an offensive defensemen anyway, more of a two-way guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneykoIsGod Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 His personal stats don't matter when his team is doing well and is a lock for the playoffs. I never really thought he was an offensive defensemen anyway, more of a two-way guy. Yep. The guy's greatest strengths never really showed on the stat sheet. He's a damn solid defenseman. $5M per season solid? That's a tough sell, but it looks like the Pens probably aren't losing any sleep over the investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 this thread was done last week, but it does nicely reveal how foolish it is to judge defensemen by points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Martin is definitely the type of player who's abilities don't show up in his stats. He really does have a knack for getting the puck up and out of his own end though. He always seemed to be able to maneuver past any forechecking players to make a breakout pass or to take the puck up ice himself. I always thought he was our best defenseman once Niedermayer and Rafalski left. He sees the ice well and reads the play as it unfolds better than most defenseman in the league. He's one of the top American born defenseman that are playing now imo, but if the question is if he is $5mil good, I'd say no, he's close, but I'd say more like $4mil, maybe $4.5mil, but $5 is a tad high. Maybe if he put up 45-50+pts consistently, then he might be worth it, but not when he only can be counted on for 25-35pts each season. Plus, he's not a very big guy and isn't a physical player, so that's a bit of a mark against him despite the fact that he makes up for that well with his vision and good skating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7AZIvDD5Lw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) I don't know who was speculating that, but that's not Martin's game. Rafalski, yes, Martin, no. Martin's a solid position player, not an offensive dynamo. Plus he's behind Letang and Goligoski on the offense-dman chart. If either of them went down with an injury, he'd see more 1st unit time. Martin & Michalek have bolstered the team's defense, but neither one was brought on board in hopes of being an offensive sparkplug. Martin's +9 and helping get the puck out of the zone and in transition, and Michalek has blocked 73 shots in 34 games. Devils don't miss Martin's point production as much as they miss his ability to break out of the d-zone. +1 If Martin were still here he would be the only defensemen that can get the puck out of our zone. Edited January 9, 2011 by MantaRay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 +1 If Martin were still here he would be the only defensemen that can get the puck out of our zone. $5 million was awful steep though, wasn't it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Martin's a luxury on the Pens but he'd still be invaluable to us. Edited January 9, 2011 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn01 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Speaking of ex Devil defenders....Rafalski has 2 goals and 2 assists this week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 meh, remember when Gomez was gonna put up 100 points for the Rags (at least their fans thought so). We knew how he was, and we too knew who Martin is. Probably was (when not injured) our best at getting the biscuit out of the zone. He eats up lots of minutes & makes few terrible mistakes, often covering for his partners miscues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 $5 million was awful steep though, wasn't it? 10-29-2 with 133 GA? $5 million for quality two-way defenseman like Martin pays for itself with production at forward with him being on the ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 $5 million for quality two-way defenseman like Martin pays for itself with production at forward with him being on the ice. That's an interesting way to look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 That's an interesting way to look at it. hes is right though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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