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#21 ATLL765

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:09 AM

So, if we sign Brunner, is it a guaranteed we see a trade at some point? Or does it just mean that Lil Gio is going back to the AHL and never returning?


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:20 AM

The Gionta hate is only half because of his skill level. The other half is because he may end up wasting a roster spot that would be better used on someone good.

 

I also don't think signing Brunner definitely means there will be a trade. Who do you think is tradable of our offense?


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:23 AM

We should trade lil gio to MTL for a pick!!!  (doubt it, tho)


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 12:22 PM

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 01:23 PM

I really think they're trying to turn Jacob Josefson into another Sergei Brylin - he's been asked to do a little of everything in these exhibition games so far.  I think he's smart enough to make it work.

 

Trouble is without Loktionov signed through next year, the Devils really can't go dealing him away without risking being without depth at center next season.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 01:32 PM

I really think they're trying to turn Jacob Josefson into another Sergei Brylin - he's been asked to do a little of everything in these exhibition games so far.  I think he's smart enough to make it work.

 

Trouble is without Loktionov signed through next year, the Devils really can't go dealing him away without risking being without depth at center next season.

 

i agree. the boogie man in the room is gionta. if they do the right thing, it's a non-issue - he's in albany and carter/barch are your scratches. but again, there were those 2 months and a catchy nickname by Sherry Ross.

 

while i appreciate carter's versatility, if they decide to deal him for a 4th, as a solution, i'd accept it.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 01:38 PM

Last year I felt over and over again like Lou did not give DeBoer anywhere near the tools he needed to succeed. Maybe it was the financial issues/internal cap, or some other factors, but wow, this year Lou's given his full vote of confidence in DeBoer. He's equipping him with a really good group of soldiers and I'm excited.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 01:45 PM

Last year I felt over and over again like Lou did not give DeBoer anywhere near the tools he needed to succeed. Maybe it was the financial issues/internal cap, or some other factors, but wow, this year Lou's given his full vote of confidence in DeBoer. He's equipping him with a really good group of soldiers and I'm excited.

To be fair to Lou, no-one knew what the cap would look like after the new CBA and we were in financial peril. But yeah, Lou seems to really trust Deboer and he should...he's a fantastic coach

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 01:47 PM

How much cap room is left, if any?


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 02:36 PM

How much cap room is left, if any?

Like $1.3-1.4M I think. I would imagine that the roster is basically set at this point. Just a matter of who's getting what spot. If any movement is happening now, it'll have to involve shipping out a roster player.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:12 PM

I see Carter getting more burn than Olesz, at least early on. He's an ideal 4th liner, willing to drop the gloves, able to kill penalties, a little bit of a rat. Olesz may have more tools, but for the role either one is going to get, Carter's worth more to the team.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:21 PM

This looks like it'll be a 15 minutes/line roll them out kind of team. I don't see a standout 1st line, nor do I see a set of players destined for the traditional 3rd or 4th line duties. This is going to be four 2nd lines rolling out one after the other. I like that idea. It'll be very difficult to defend against and at the same time most all of the players are at least reasonably defensively responsible enough to take care of other team's first and second lines.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:35 PM

I see Carter getting more burn than Olesz, at least early on. He's an ideal 4th liner, willing to drop the gloves, able to kill penalties, a little bit of a rat. Olesz may have more tools, but for the role either one is going to get, Carter's worth more to the team.

 

Olesz has better numbers over his career, and the Devils have been using Olesz on the PK a lot in the preseason.  I don't think they'll go this route, but they definitely could.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:40 PM

There's basically no way they can keep little Gio at this point.  He might as well start packing now, he's the 14th-15th best forward on the roster as constituted and the easiest contract to shed.  Trading Carter would be an asinine solution, he's one of the eleven forwards I pretty much have as guaranteed to make the roster (Elias-Zajac-Jagr, Clowe-Henrique-Ryder, Olesz-Zubrus-Brunner and Carter/Bernier). The other three spots are between Josefson, Loiktionov, Tedenby, Barch and Little Gio.  Barch is almost certainly staying since Lou/Pete are obsessed with having at least one 'goon'.  At least one of Josefson/Loiktionov have to stay.  

 

Tedenby probably goes on IR as a short-term salve until one of the geriatric forwards gets nicked up.  Shed him (temporarily) and Little Gio and voila there's your fourteen forwards for the time being.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 03:54 PM

There's basically no way they can keep little Gio at this point.  He might as well start packing now, he's the 14th-15th best forward on the roster as constituted and the easiest contract to shed.  Trading Carter would be an asinine solution, he's one of the eleven forwards I pretty much have as guaranteed to make the roster (Elias-Zajac-Jagr, Clowe-Henrique-Ryder, Olesz-Zubrus-Brunner and Carter/Bernier). The other three spots are between Josefson, Loiktionov, Tedenby, Barch and Little Gio.  Barch is almost certainly staying since Lou/Pete are obsessed with having at least one 'goon'.  At least one of Josefson/Loiktionov have to stay.  

 

Tedenby probably goes on IR as a short-term salve until one of the geriatric forwards gets nicked up.  Shed him (temporarily) and Little Gio and voila there's your fourteen forwards for the time being.

 

I'll be rather upset if Loktionov is considered as anything but a permanent roster player at this point. I like Carter as a 13th forward with Barch as 14th at this point. As much as Josefson has done very well in the pre-season, I can't see giving a full-time roster spot to someone who has yet to be anything resembling healthy for a full season in his career. If he got waived and wound up doing phenomenally well somewhere else, ah well... and so it goes. With an older more injury prone contingent already existing within the roster, Josefson's fragile birdlike bone-structure is a potential liability we just can't afford.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:04 PM

I really don't see anything permanent about Loiktionov considering he had a 10-15 game spurt and then petered out to the point where he was a scratch a couple of times late in the season.  And I don't really see him as a 'third/fourth line center' type fit anyway.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:11 PM

I really don't see anything permanent about Loiktionov considering he had a 10-15 game spurt and then petered out to the point where he was a scratch a couple of times late in the season.  And I don't really see him as a 'third/fourth line center' type fit anyway.

 

The whole team petered out later in the season. To me, the talent level he shows is too high to not keep in the lineup.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:14 PM

Losing Josefson or Loktionov is a problem because the Devils don't have any centers behind this of note.  In the minors, it's Pelley, Sestito, and Darcy Zajac.  That problem isn't limited to just Albany either - it's Pietila, Kujawinski, and hopes and dreams behind them on the organizational depth chart.  

 

Giving up on Loktionov would be one of the worst personnel moves this team can make.  Waiving Josefson would also be up there as sheer idiocy.


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:28 PM

Any chance they were in a way displaying his abilities by pairing him with Elias and Brunner in the Isles game? He looked good there. Maybe get an AHL type center as a stopgap for injury sake and then sign a center in the offseason...just a hypothetical.

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:29 PM

Losing Josefson or Loktionov is a problem because the Devils don't have any centers behind this of note.  In the minors, it's Pelley, Sestito, and Darcy Zajac.  That problem isn't limited to just Albany either - it's Pietila, Kujawinski, and hopes and dreams behind them on the organizational depth chart.  

 

Giving up on Loktionov would be one of the worst personnel moves this team can make.  Waiving Josefson would also be up there as sheer idiocy.

 

But the numbers game is dictating that we can't keep them both as centers on the team without getting rid of veterans that Lou and Petey like a great deal. If I had to pick one of the two, I'd pick Loktionov over Josefson because he's got a better scoring touch and is way more creative with the puck in general. My question to you is: why are we so concerned over our center depth? As I see it right now, we've got Zajac signed for 8 years as a center and Henrique locked up for another 6 years who can play center. If we choose the right one of either Loktionov or Josefson as the 3rd center to lock up long term, we'd have 3 centers locked up for the better part of the next decade. We could afford to lose one or the other of them, realistically at this point.


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