RowdyFan42 Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawacitizen...da-ac11dfe49c67 NHL owners pondering new league: source Broadcast News Friday, August 27, 2004 OTTAWA - National Hockey League team owners are now seriously considering forming a new league. A team owner, who was speaking on condition that his identity was not divulged, says it might come as early as January. Under the structure of the NHL, it has the ability to shutdown and begin in a new way, if extended negotiations with the players' union fail to reach a deal. According to the owner, this possibility has become greater following fruitless attempts to reach a deal during contract bargainning with the players' association this week in Ottawa. Ironically, the players have been considering the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 I doubt this would happen, but everyone can see the NHL has grown too big and needs a complete overhaul. What exactly would the owners have in mind? new teams in new areas? or just breaking apart the current league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 It would probably be most of hte same thing, just I don't believe they would have to negogiate a new CBa, rather just start a new league. The chances are about one in a million this happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Ya, I would think it would mean dissolving the NHL and starting a new league with a CBA that the owners like and any player who wants to play in it can under the owners rules. -Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 I like it!!! Why not do it? The problem is that this has to be a lock-out, not a strike. You can't bring in replacement players. Start a new league, complete with a salary cap and all the rest AND LET THE PLAYERS DECIDE WHERE THEY WANT TO PLAY. You can play in this new league, you can play in Sweden, you can play in Switzerland. Screw the CBA negotiations... give me some hockey. I don't care if it is called the NHL, the WHL (world hockey league - national never did make much sense given that there has always been 2 nations) the CSUHL (completely screwed up hockey league), NSL(No-scoring league).... I don't care. So long as they are competing for the Stanley Cup... go for it. Of course, this means we'd have to redisperse players and get totally new teams, but meh.... give me Lou trying to build a team for a Stanley Cup and I'm there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 I like it!!! Why not do it?The problem is that this has to be a lock-out, not a strike. You can't bring in replacement players. Start a new league, complete with a salary cap and all the rest AND LET THE PLAYERS DECIDE WHERE THEY WANT TO PLAY. You can play in this new league, you can play in Sweden, you can play in Switzerland. Screw the CBA negotiations... give me some hockey. I don't care if it is called the NHL, the WHL (world hockey league - national never did make much sense given that there has always been 2 nations) the CSUHL (completely screwed up hockey league), NSL(No-scoring league).... I don't care. So long as they are competing for the Stanley Cup... go for it. Of course, this means we'd have to redisperse players and get totally new teams, but meh.... give me Lou trying to build a team for a Stanley Cup and I'm there. My bet is Brodeur, Madden, Brylin, Pandolfo, Rheumea all wind up on the same team under Lou... It would be interesting to see which groups sign where... Just think about it: Kariya/Selanne team hunting could happen with a lot of people... But Id bet a reconizable core winds up signing to the same team... I mean Madden was a well sought after free agent who didnt bother entertaining ideas; just used it to determine his price according to his agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 i agree don, close up shop and start a new. i think we are passed the point of trying to put a bandaid on a severed arm. if both sides are going to be so stubborn about everything let a new league arise (not the silly WHA). the owners are the ones with the money and the name recognition im sure they could pull it off.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 With a new league, we would have new teams. Do we get a new name and logo? New Jersey Jets? New Jersey Warriors? DM will have change the colour scheme.... and the url for that matter.... We'll all have to get all new gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 LOL... they can't be serious. They would have zero credibility left. And I would not watch. These idiots forget that the players are what make the product interesting. Without the talent, nobody will watch or attend these games for the prices they charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msweet Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Me guesses that the law suits would just be endless... Union busting, unfair competition, breach of contract, anti-trust... just to name a few. Remember, it always gets ugliest before the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 I just see this another salvo in the rhetoric war. Yesterday, the players said out for one year, today the owners answered new league. Instead of wasting time and energy over this, why don't they spend it coming up with a new deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msweet Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Lock them in a room, no A/C, no food, no showers. No bathroom after 6 hours. me thinks a solution will happen in one day. This works everytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Me guesses that the law suits would just be endless...Union busting, unfair competition, breach of contract, anti-trust... just to name a few. Remember, it always gets ugliest before the end. Union busting... We aren't breaking the union; the union can decide not to join the new leaugue... it happens all the time when contracts are given to different companies... Unfair Competition... There are other sources of competition internationally; as demonstrated by the players.... Breach of Contract... The agreement expired; the whole reason for this mess... Anti-trust On the international level there are several leagues that players can join... They aren't clean cut; but Im sure the legal hurdles could be jumped... its also a good hand to lay down to make the players union blink. The new leauge will definetely have a cap; prolly 31million... if they negotiate a salary cap; they can prolly boost that by 10million so both sides seem to give in... The problem is the union went public with the "NEVER ACCEPT A SALARY CAP"... The owners left the door open by never using that term... they use "COST CERTAINTY"; so when the players give in; the system will resemble a salary cap; but wont be called that... they will prolly wind up giving in to one of the 6 plans; or variation of such... but not until January or next September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 LOL... they can't be serious. They would have zero credibility left. And I would not watch. These idiots forget that the players are what make the product interesting. Without the talent, nobody will watch or attend these games for the prices they charge. I think the talent WOULD be there. Because the players have a choice. Play on a NNHL (New National Hockey League) team that has a cap of $45M, or play in the WHA with a $10M cap, or play on a Swedish team where they would make, oh, $1M tops. The issue is how to get a cap in place. The owners want one. The players say they won't play with one. So fine. Owners decide to disolve the league. Works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msweet Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Me guesses that the law suits would just be endless...Union busting, unfair competition, breach of contract, anti-trust... just to name a few. Remember, it always gets ugliest before the end. Union busting... We aren't breaking the union; the union can decide not to join the new leaugue... it happens all the time when contracts are given to different companies... Unfair Competition... There are other sources of competition internationally; as demonstrated by the players.... Breach of Contract... The agreement expired; the whole reason for this mess... Anti-trust On the international level there are several leagues that players can join... They aren't clean cut; but Im sure the legal hurdles could be jumped... its also a good hand to lay down to make the players union blink. The new leauge will definetely have a cap; prolly 31million... if they negotiate a salary cap; they can prolly boost that by 10million so both sides seem to give in... The problem is the union went public with the "NEVER ACCEPT A SALARY CAP"... The owners left the door open by never using that term... they use "COST CERTAINTY"; so when the players give in; the system will resemble a salary cap; but wont be called that... they will prolly wind up giving in to one of the 6 plans; or variation of such... but not until January or next September. agreed that the law suits could all probaly be won, but that would essentially tie up any new league from operating for years. ..and that's why a new league with a new union is not a real threat... and the owners know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 I think the talent WOULD be there. Because the players have a choice. Play on a NNHL (New National Hockey League) team that has a cap of $45M, or play in the WHA with a $10M cap, or play on a Swedish team where they would make, oh, $1M tops. The issue is how to get a cap in place. The owners want one. The players say they won't play with one. So fine. Owners decide to disolve the league. Works for me. They're not going to cross the union for some stupid second rate league. Because that's what it would be. The NHL is in a tough spot now and nobody seems to care on either side. Doesn't that worry you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 I think the talent WOULD be there. Because the players have a choice. Play on a NNHL (New National Hockey League) team that has a cap of $45M, or play in the WHA with a $10M cap, or play on a Swedish team where they would make, oh, $1M tops. The issue is how to get a cap in place. The owners want one. The players say they won't play with one. So fine. Owners decide to disolve the league. Works for me. They're not going to cross the union for some stupid second rate league. Because that's what it would be. The NHL is in a tough spot now and nobody seems to care on either side. Doesn't that worry you? they will cross for a stupid second rate league if they're is no first rate league to play in.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Man what a stupid 6 months for Stevens to pick to have PCS jackass... now I'll NEVER see him play again. YES I WAS still holding out hope he'd return... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Man what a stupid 6 months for Stevens to pick to have PCS jackass... now I'll NEVER see him play again. YES I WAS still holding out hope he'd return... He can play for the Halifax IceBreakers!! We'll welcome him with open arms!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 And I'd have an excuse to go to Nova Scotia!! I keep making those stupid sweet oatcakes you guys make up there! I can't stop eating them even and say it's like oatmeal in solid form THEY'RE COOKIES DAMMIT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 (edited) HEY! He could go to Germany and play with Mike! Boy Donna would blow a gasket at the prospect of that it was just an idea! EDIT: SAMMIED AGAIN!! Edited August 27, 2004 by Pepperkorn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamode Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I don't think this would work. More bullsh!t in a different league. I do agree that the NHL needs an overhaul though and one way to start besides ass-whipping the pansy players with a salary cap is to get rid of some of the teams. The sport is going on a downward spiral quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 NHL, the WHL (world hockey league - national never did make much sense given that there has always been 2 nations) For the first 7 years of the league there were only Canadian teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 (edited) NHL, the WHL (world hockey league - national never did make much sense given that there has always been 2 nations) For the first 7 years of the league there were only Canadian teams. Aye. I just did a search and confirmed that... original NHL teams were the Canadiens, Wanderers, Senators and Arenas. No wonder yer the trivia champ. So "national" in National Hockey League is Canada. Learn somethin' new every day. Edited August 28, 2004 by Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 NHL, the WHL (world hockey league - national never did make much sense given that there has always been 2 nations) For the first 7 years of the league there were only Canadian teams. Aye. I just did a search and confirmed that... original NHL teams were the Canadiens, Wanderers, Senators and Arenas. Know wonder yer the trivia champ. So "national" in National Hockey League is Canada. Learn somethin' new every day. what about the national league in baseball then? of NBA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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