DevsMan84 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Is today the deadline for the NHL to decide? Nope, Wednesday according to TG on his blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moustic Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 each idiot has an auto name here. I want mine ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsChamps3x Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Atleast neids is gone, we wont have a gliding contest anymore.... my bet kovi is signed by friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 based on kypryos twitter - first 10 years = $90MM, last 5 years = $10MM. Hopefully that's good enough. oh - and dumping zajac for kovalchuk is like 1 step forward, two steps back - it simply makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overtime98 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 oh - and dumping zajac for kovalchuk is like 1 step forward, two steps back - it simply makes no sense. thank you. Agreed 100 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 based on kypryos twitter - first 10 years = $90MM, last 5 years = $10MM. Hopefully that's good enough. oh - and dumping zajac for kovalchuk is like 1 step forward, two steps back - it simply makes no sense. We come together cause opposites attract.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 based on kypryos twitter - first 10 years = $90MM, last 5 years = $10MM. Hopefully that's good enough. oh - and dumping zajac for kovalchuk is like 1 step forward, two steps back - it simply makes no sense. bleh, if it were 15 million it unquestionably would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattyelias Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 bleh, if it were 15 million it unquestionably would be Tri, $10M over that 5 is more than double the percentage over the back third over hossa's deal. If the league rejects this, than what the hell are the signposts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoArmySports Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 oh - and dumping zajac for kovalchuk is like 1 step forward, two steps back - it simply makes no sense. WTF IS LOU THINKIG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 I would be astonished and furious if we got rid of Zajac. He is our best center, and is young. A crucial part of the team for years to come... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Tri, $10M over that 5 is more than double the percentage over the back third over hossa's deal. If the league rejects this, than what the hell are the signposts? the league has more power now. yes, i imagine that everything the league said was wrong has been addressed, but has it been addressed sufficiently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattyelias Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 the league has more power now. yes, i imagine that everything the league said was wrong has been addressed, but has it been addressed sufficiently? True but this puts the league in a very precarious spot. Makes things even more confusing since this is within the keith and lecavalier percentages that suppsedly aren't problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 (edited) True but this puts the league in a very precarious spot. Makes things even more confusing since this is within the keith and lecavalier percentages that suppsedly aren't problematic. the keith and lecavalier deals don't take a player until 42, however. keith's deal ends when he is 39, lecavalier's when he is 40. i don't want the league to be in a precarious spot. Edited August 30, 2010 by Triumph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyd91 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 (edited) I think this is hossas contract. So if they are paying out 7.5M over the last 5 years 55.3 is @ 88% of salary in first 7 years 2009-10 -- $7.9 million 2010-11 -- $7.9 million 2011-12 -- $7.9 million 2012-13 -- $7.9 million 2013-14 -- $7.9 million 2014-15 -- $7.9 million 2015-16 -- $7.9 million Last 5 years 7.5M 2016-17 -- $4 million 2017-18 -- $1 million 2018-19 -- $1 million 2019-20 -- $750,000 2020-21 -- $750,000 12% being paid out the last 5 years So if kovy's contract is the first 10 years = $90MM, last 5 years = $10MM That is roughly 90% of salary in the first 10 years 70% in the first 7 years. 10% being paid out the last 5 years. its too early for me to crunch the exact #'s but it's close but still more inflated than the hosa contract. Edited August 30, 2010 by jonnyd91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevsfn95 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Tri, $10M over that 5 is more than double the percentage over the back third over hossa's deal. If the league rejects this, than what the hell are the signposts? It's over 3x the percentage of the original. It's over Hossa's final 33% by 3.7% and just below Luongo's final 33% by 0.9%. If anything, the contract will have to fall under 'investigation.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theamazingtiny Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 They have til tomorrow to accept or reject right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 It's over 3x the percentage of the original. It's over Hossa's final 33% by 3.7% and just below Luongo's final 33% by 0.9%. If anything, the contract will have to fall under 'investigation.' luongo's deal goes until he's 43 though. that helps our case a bit. still think if they spread 2.5 million over the last 5 years, it looks a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevsfn95 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 luongo's deal goes until he's 43 though. that helps our case a bit. still think if they spread 2.5 million over the last 5 years, it looks a lot better. Final 1/3 of each contract Hossa goes: 1-1-1-1 = $4M Luongo goes: 3.382-1.618-1-1 = $7M Kovalchuk possible: 2.5-2.5-2-1.5-1.5 = $10M More money over the same % of term followed by an increased salary puts it above both, just when looking at those 2 factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyP. Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 They have til tomorrow to accept or reject right? Yep - Tuesday is Day 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyP. Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Yep - Tuesday is Day 5 Actually the Deadline is Wednesday at 5pm as per Tom Gulitti Here's his quote on the deadline: Wednesday at 5 p.m. the latest. Days end at 5 p.m. in NHL world. Although they submitted the contract before 5 p.m. on Friday, the start of the count of days started at that time. Just like, though the Devils got he rejection letter on the evening of Tuesday, July 20, the count of five days for the NHLPA to file the grievance didn’t start until 5 p.m. the next day. (Because they got the letter after 5 p.m. on July 20) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewarkDevil5 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 I was always under the impression that they had 5 days to reject it and if they didn't do so in that window it would be considered approved and go into effect. I didn't think it was necessary that they actually give approval, just that they don't reject it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattyelias Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 I think this is hossas contract. So if they are paying out 7.5M over the last 5 years 55.3 is @ 88% of salary in first 7 years 2009-10 -- $7.9 million 2010-11 -- $7.9 million 2011-12 -- $7.9 million 2012-13 -- $7.9 million 2013-14 -- $7.9 million 2014-15 -- $7.9 million 2015-16 -- $7.9 million Last 5 years 7.5M 2016-17 -- $4 million 2017-18 -- $1 million 2018-19 -- $1 million 2019-20 -- $750,000 2020-21 -- $750,000 12% being paid out the last 5 years So if kovy's contract is the first 10 years = $90MM, last 5 years = $10MM That is roughly 90% of salary in the first 10 years 70% in the first 7 years. 10% being paid out the last 5 years. its too early for me to crunch the exact #'s but it's close but still more inflated than the hosa contract. Last 4 years of Hossa's deal = the last 5 years of Kovalchuk deal percentagewise (ie. 33% of total contract length). Kovy deal reportedly has 10% of total value in that time and Hossa deal is around 5.5% If these numbers are correct, the Kovalchuk contract is actually less front-loaded and less 'circumvential' so to speak. I was always under the impression that they had 5 days to reject it and if they didn't do so in that window it would be considered approved and go into effect. I didn't think it was necessary that they actually give approval, just that they don't reject it. That would be pretty passive-aggressive of the league. Actually wouldn't surprise me if that's what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravityFat Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 lol wednesday 5pm the interwebs would lock, so WTF happened? then the league would say on Thursday; well we didn't object. hahahah that would be the douche move I would expect from Buttman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section 110 Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 (edited) Final 1/3 of each contract Hossa goes: 1-1-1-1 = $4M Luongo goes: 3.382-1.618-1-1 = $7M Kovalchuk possible: 2.5-2.5-2-1.5-1.5 = $10M More money over the same % of term followed by an increased salary puts it above both, just when looking at those 2 factors. Here's the full analysis of new Kovy deal tail against Hossa, Luongo, Pronger, and Savard tails(all the deals that the NHL was investigating) Percentage of salary in last third of deal - this is where the deals all start to tail off: New Kovalchuk deal - 10% Hossa - 6.31% Luongo - 10.94% Pronger - 6.9% Savard - 5.5% Old Kovy deal - 3.4% For Pronger and Savard I used the final 1/3 of their salary in year 5, which is the beginning of the last third of their deals. If the NHL rejects the new Kovy deal, then they almost HAVE to reject all but the Luongo deal as well. Especially if the new Kovy deal does not have a NTC or NMC. Edited August 30, 2010 by section 110 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattyelias Posted August 30, 2010 Share Posted August 30, 2010 Here's the full analysis of new Kovy deal against Hossa, Luongo, Pronger, and Savard (all the deals that the NHL was investigating) Percentage of salary in last third of deal - this is where the deals all start to tail off: New Kovalchuk deal - 10% Hossa - 6.31% Luongo - 10.94% Pronger - 6.9% Savard - 5.5% Old Kovy deal - 3.4% For Pronger and Savard I used the final 1/3 of their salary in year 5, which is the beginning of the last third of their deals. If the NHL rejects the new Kovy deal, then they almost HAVE to reject all but the Luongo deal as well. Especially if the new Kovy deal does not have a NTC or NMC. Wouldn't the key be that the Kovy contract needs a NMC during those low salary years so that the league can't claim they just intend to bury him in the minors or loan him to avoid the cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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