This is all I was trying to say...

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Yikes.

As soon as the public finger-pointing starts, you know the wheels are coming off in a big way.

For Marty to say that, you know he's frustrated as hell. With the team, the way this series has gone, and with himself.

Edited May 11, 2006 by Colorado Rockies 1976

[redruM]

If White was playing Stall would have been face down on the ice...

thats all i have to say...

[devilsfan26]

If White was playing Stall would have been face down on the ice...

thats all i have to say...

...and then someone else would be wide open in front, the pass would go to him instead of Staal, and the Canes would have a great scoring chance and Marty would be forced to make a spactacular save.

[Pepperkorn]

Yikes.

As soon as the public finger-pointing starts, you know the wheels are coming off in a big way.

For Marty to say that, you know he's frustrated as hell. With the team, the way this series has gone, and with himself.

Yeah -- see this leaves off his additional ... " -- if hey weren't in the box" comment. I was thinking that -- would old Stevens have held on to his respected position and been allowed to push the envelop or would he have just been stationed permanently in the sin bin? Or creating face off after face off icing the puck every 5 secs

Anyhow -- I agree -- I dont think the players would be alineated by this comment after all.. Luko may feel like crap but - oh well. I think he deserves better :noclue:but he ain't all that either

[coldply123]

Fact is our defense and defensemen is/are the worst its been in almost 15yrs.

Marty will be exposed on occasion.

[cjmurph76]

Brodeur is pointing the finger at his teammates waaaaaaay too much this series. Game three is on him, with an assist to an idiotic penalty by Langenbrunner.

[redruM]

...and then someone else would be wide open in front, the pass would go to him instead of Staal, and the Canes would have a great scoring chance and Marty would be forced to make a spactacular save.

Who was open?/ the guy behind Staal and Luch?? how the hell is the puck going to get there???

[Devils731]

Its the guy on the other side of the net. It could have as easily gone there as to Staal.

[Motorcity Devil]

What happened in game 2 was just a lapse in concentration...you can't change what happened. Fact is the season is not over yet, they are still your teammates, and you don't get on them like that, especially after you let in your 50th OT softie as well as 2 awful goals in game 3.

I'm sorry, but the OT goal was not a softie... It's drilled in your head as a goalie / defenseman that the goalie plays the shot, the d-man plays the deak on a break-in. Marty played the shot, and his d-man redirected the puck off the forward's skate when he should have been slamming the guy to the ice. Game 2 should have been 6-2, instead we lost in OT... Don't put that on Marty, that's insulting.

Same with Game 3... He let's in a bunny on the first shot, but there's nothing he can do on #2, and #3...

We shouldn't be talking about the d or the goalie - what about the whopping 4 goals in 3 games we've scored?

[LizDevil30]

I'm sorry, but the OT goal was not a softie... It's drilled in your head as a goalie / defenseman that the goalie plays the shot, the d-man plays the deak on a break-in. Marty played the shot, and his d-man redirected the puck off the forward's skate when he should have been slamming the guy to the ice. Game 2 should have been 6-2, instead we lost in OT... Don't put that on Marty, that's insulting.

Same with Game 3... He let's in a bunny on the first shot, but there's nothing he can do on #2, and #3...

We shouldn't be talking about the d or the goalie - what about the whopping 4 goals in 3 games we've scored?

Thank God, I'm not the only one that sees it this way. Sure I love my boy, but I do watch the games.

[RowdyFan42]

...and then someone else would be wide open in front, the pass would go to him instead of Staal, and the Canes would have a great scoring chance and Marty would be forced to make a spactacular save.

But at least Marty wouldn't have someone trying to run him over while he's making that save.

Marty may have been talking about one specific instance, but in general the opposition has been draping themselves all over him at will. The refs turn a blind eye, and the rest of the team is too afraid of taking a penalty so they leave him to his own devices.

[devilsfan26]

Who was open?/ the guy behind Staal and Luch?? how the hell is the puck going to get there???

I don't know exactly because I don't remember everybody's exact location on the rink at the time, but the point I was trying to make is that Lukowich played the situation correctly, he reacted correctly once the pass was made, except that it was too good of a pass for him to get to Staal fast enough to stop the play. The Canes made a great play and pulling the goalie was a success. There was just nothing he can do about it. If Lukowich or anybody else who was on the rink for that shift could have gotten the puck out of the zone, this wouldn't have even happened, so that's what the problem was--the defensive zone turnover.

It is also highly possible that if Lukowich took Staal out of the play, whoever was behind them might have actually moved to a position where they wouldn't be in his way so that the pass can get to him and he can take the shot. Players don't just stand still, pass the puck around, and shoot it. Chances are he isn't stupid, if he saw that nobody was paying attention to him he would have found some open ice and gotten ready for a pass.

[devilsfan26]

I'm sorry, but the OT goal was not a softie... It's drilled in your head as a goalie / defenseman that the goalie plays the shot, the d-man plays the deak on a break-in. Marty played the shot, and his d-man redirected the puck off the forward's skate when he should have been slamming the guy to the ice. Game 2 should have been 6-2, instead we lost in OT... Don't put that on Marty, that's insulting.

Paul Martin knew what he was doing there. He was right in trying to knock the puck away. It was an unlucky bounce off the forward's skate and into the net. The guy was skating towards the net with the puck. If Martin didn't dive to knock it away, it would have been a breakaway. He was too far away from him to play the body, and really, how often do you see Paul Martin "slam" someone to the ice? The only thing he could do to try to stop the play was to dive and take a jab at the puck. Unfortunately, the forward was extremely lucky and the puck bounced off his skate and into the net. If the puck didn't go off the guy's skate, we'd all be saying, "Wow what a brilliant play by Paul, he might have saved the day for us!" What would you have done if you were the defenseman in that situation?

Edited May 11, 2006 by devilsfan26

[Eztarget]

"If we had Scotty Stevens or Ken Daneyko (Staal) probably would've been on the ground," Brodeur said after the team's morning skate at Continental Airlines Arena.

And they would be constantly in the box for obstruction they way these playoffs are being called.

[LizDevil30]

And if the guy gets the breakaway and Marty makes the big "clutch" save, we'd all be thrilled. What if? The worst question in the world.

[devilsfan26]

And if the guy gets the breakaway and Marty makes the big "clutch" save, we'd all be thrilled. What if? The worst question in the world.

Yea but the point is that he would have had a higher chance of scoring if Martin just let him have the breakaway than if he dove and got his stick on the puck...it just happened that he did get his stick on the puck, and because luck just was not in our favor, the puck still found a way to the back of the net.

[Jerrydevil]

What if? The worst question in the world.

That's about all we've got to talk about in this series. And if the fans have feelings of regret, especially in regard to Game 2, imagine how the players feel? This has got to be killing them. If (there's that word again!) the Devils don't blow Game 2, last night's loss isn't so bad.

That being said, Carolina is playing better. But I'd like our chances to turn it around IF (there's that word AGAIN! ) it was 1-2 instead of 0-3.

[LizDevil30]

Yea but the point is that he would have had a higher chance of scoring if Martin just let him have the breakaway than if he dove and got his stick on the puck...it just happened that he did get his stick on the puck, and because luck just was not in our favor, the puck still found a way to the back of the net.

Marty is awesome on breakaways. Have you forgotten his shootout record already?

[brodeurgirl30]

Wow

Let me first say that IF Marty said it exactly like that then I am disappointed in him. Regardless of how frustrated he is, he is a professional and should act like one at all times. I agree w/ his statement but it should be something that is addressed at practices not w/ the media.

However, I do not know where redruM got the quote, I do not know what the question from the interviewer was, I do not know anything about the context of the conversation. In addition, everyone here has talked about how the media hates the Devils so how do any of us know exactly what, how, Marty said anything?

I just find it funny when we have a thread that asks if Marty is clutch and one that asks who the best goalie is and everyone raves about Marty and a day later a lot are at "fvck Marty" stage.

If what I have said pisses you off in any way then go back and read the first paragraph.

[devilsfan26]

That's about all we've got to talk about in this series. And if the fans have feelings of regret, especially in regard to Game 2, imagine how the players feel? This has got to be killing them. If (there's that word again!) the Devils don't blow Game 2, last night's loss isn't so bad.

That being said, Carolina is playing better. But I'd like our chances to turn it around IF (there's that word AGAIN! ) it was 1-2 instead of 0-3.

It's a shame. It very easily could have been 1-2 instead. It could have even been 2-1 in favor of us if it weren't for the Canes first two goals last night, which were pretty stupid goals. The Canes are playing better, but I wouldn't say they are totally dominating. They are up 3-0, but Games 2 and 3 were very close. The Canes have been getting lucky, and the Devils have had some glaring mistakes. 3-0 appears a lot more uneven than this series has been.

Marty is awesome on breakaways. Have you forgotten his shootout record already?

That's true, but Marty has never given up a goal when the defenseman knocked the puck wide.

[njdevils783]

Look at it from Brodeurs point of view, he has bailed this team out allot more then they have bailed him out, especially this season. He's gotta feel like he can never have a bad game because the team in front of him just cant get anything done anymore. He used to share some of that responsibility with Stevens and Daneyko, now its just him.

[Jerrydevil]

Look at it from Brodeurs point of view, he has bailed this team out allot more then they have bailed him out, especially this season. He's gotta feel like he can never have a bad game because the team in front of him just cant get anything done anymore. He used to share some of that responsibility with Stevens and Daneyko, now its just him.

I think that is selling our defensemen too short. During the Devils' hot streak, the defensemen did a great job clearing rebounds. The whole team has played well defensively since February, except for that one stretch that included the Pittsburgh debacle. Unfortunately, things have become unglued in three playoff games and it has sort of skewed what actually happened in games past IMO.

I can't help but go back to Game 2. That loss has just made people nuts, me included.

Edited May 11, 2006 by Jerrydevil

[redruM]

And they would be constantly in the box for obstruction they way these playoffs are being called.

EZ I know this is hard for fluyer fans to understand... being first round drop outs and all... BUT there was 10 seconds left in the game WHO CARES ABOUT THE PENALTY AT THAT POINT!!!

[msweet]

I can't help but go back to Game 2. That loss has just made people nuts, me included.

The reason we look back at that is that sports are kind of funny.... let's say we lose to Carolina in a normal 6 or 7 games series, with games decided in normal fashion... it's no big deal. We'll mull over the highs and lows, the bad players and good oens and move on from there.

A loss like that is franchise altering.... not only do you lose the series, it effects your franchise for years to come... (remember "The catch" when the 49ers beat the Cowboys... that ended Tom Landry's dynasty)

We are seeing the beginning of the altering now.

The way we lost that lead, then the natural result was to lose the game and then the series, will change the Devils forever.

Sometimes for the better, but most of the time for the worse. Only time will tell.

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EZ I know this is hard for fluyer fans to understand... being first round drop outs and all... BUT there was 10 seconds left in the game WHO CARES ABOUT THE PENALTY AT THAT POINT!!!

That is exactly the point.. they send someone to the net and you have to foul him... that's there best play with 6 attackers and nothing to lose.

Edited May 11, 2006 by msweet

[NJDevs4978]

Ugh I love Marty but quite frankly this is garbage coming from him, especially given this has been his worst playoff series ever.

First of all Martin's busting his ass trying to do his job. He didn't deserve to be immasculated in public though Marty's quote was benign it was still critical. And if you're gonna kill Martin for touching the puck there you HAVE to make that save on Cullen's shot in Game 3; that was a similar angle (if not worse) than the shot Martin was trying to block.

Second of all you wanna kill Lukowich for not slamming Staal to the ice fine, he's played like crap as a Devil anyway - but you CANNOT SAY 'if Stevens and Dano were around' UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. That's the kind of defeatist thinking that destroyed this team in the late '90's; 'If we had Claude, if we had this guy and that guy'. Even in '00 and '01 they couldn't get past it, they had to have Claude come back in '00 to help them win it. It was only in '03 that they finally outgrew not having Claude and Holik, Sykora, Arnott etc around.

This team should be above that kind of nonsense, down the stretch they were as good as any team in the league without Stevens, Nieds, Dano, etc; certainly as good as any team currently in the playoffs though Buffalo could argue that point. I thought they were above this, the fact that they aren't - to me is 10000 times more dissapointing than any sweep could be.

Edited May 11, 2006 by Hasan4978