You'll never win with Schneider

[redruM]

Seems to me that Corey is just not 100%, at this point we have to run with Kinkaid, but I honesty think You'll Never Win with Kinkaid

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

6 hours ago, CommonDreads said:

If you have an Athletic sub, Cat Silverman did a great piece of Schneider's struggles and what he's actually doing technically wrong in the net right now. Also mentions there should be hope the Vezina candidate we used to see can still return:

https://theathletic.com/284084/2018/03/22/behind-the-save-its-poor-timing-for-a-cory-schneider-slump-but-expect-a-bounce-back-soon-enough/

Ironically I'd be more worried about him long-term if he'd been consistently meh-ish for the whole season...he was pretty solid before just completely falling off a cliff.  It's this latest sample that's so NOT Cory that has me hopeful that he can eventually get back on track (even if it's not this season).  I'm hopeful that we'll look back on this a year from now and say "Can you believe how bad he was for a while last year?  Thank god he got it figured out!" 

['7']

The Sharks and Penguins games are two perfect examples of why Kinkaid will always be better than his numbers and will win more than he should over the course of his career.

Devils come out flat in San Jose but Cory absolutely takes a blowtorch to the game, loses it, can't make a save. Just a frightened turtle in net. When Hall scored and we got it to 1-1 he had a chance to stabilize things. He threw up all over himself. Enter Kinkaid. The game was already over but he lets in a few to make it uglier on the scoreboard. Doesn't do his stats any good

Today MASSIVE game. Devils again asleep at the onset. Kinkaid is absolutely brilliant. The only goal he lets in was not his fault and he keeps this game 1-0 through the 1st and early 2nd when Cory would've had it 3 or 4-0 Penguins. At 3-1 everybody knows the Penguins will mount a charge. Both goals weren't the weakest I've seen, but they were stoppable and should be stopped. But he is a backup after all. However, at 3-3 with the season on the brink the door was absolutely shut. Who knows if we were getting that 2nd point but come hell or high water Kinkaid was dragging this team to overtime. Schneider loses this in regulation

That's what sets them apart. Kinkaid finds a way to get wins and points. Cory finds a way to blow wins and points.

Edited March 24, 2018 by '7'

[aclc79]

 

17 minutes ago, '7' said:

The Sharks and Penguins games are two perfect examples of why Kinkaid will always be better than his numbers and will win more than he should over the course of his career.

Devils come out flat in San Jose but Cory absolutely takes a blowtorch to the game, loses it, can't make a save. Just a frightened turtle in net. When Hall scored and we got it to 1-1 he had a chance to stabilize things. He threw up all over himself. Enter Kinkaid. The game was already over but he lets in a few to make it uglier on the scoreboard. Doesn't do his stats any good

Today MASSIVE game. Devils again asleep at the onset. Kinkaid is absolutely brilliant. The only goal he lets in was not his fault and he keeps this game 1-0 through the 1st and early 2nd when Cory would've had it 3 or 4-0 Penguins. At 3-1 everybody knows the Penguins will mount a charge. Both goals weren't the weakest I've seen, but they were stoppable and should be stopped. But he is a backup after all. However, at 3-3 with the season on the brink the door was absolutely shut. Who knows if we were getting that 2nd point but come hell or high water Kinkaid was dragging this team to overtime. Schneider loses this in regulation

That's what sets them apart. Kinkaid finds a way to get wins and points. Cory finds a way to blow wins and points.

I could not have said it any better.

[NJDevs4978]

2 hours ago, '7' said:

The Sharks and Penguins games are two perfect examples of why Kinkaid will always be better than his numbers and will win more than he should over the course of his career.

Devils come out flat in San Jose but Cory absolutely takes a blowtorch to the game, loses it, can't make a save. Just a frightened turtle in net. When Hall scored and we got it to 1-1 he had a chance to stabilize things. He threw up all over himself. Enter Kinkaid. The game was already over but he lets in a few to make it uglier on the scoreboard. Doesn't do his stats any good

Today MASSIVE game. Devils again asleep at the onset. Kinkaid is absolutely brilliant. The only goal he lets in was not his fault and he keeps this game 1-0 through the 1st and early 2nd when Cory would've had it 3 or 4-0 Penguins. At 3-1 everybody knows the Penguins will mount a charge. Both goals weren't the weakest I've seen, but they were stoppable and should be stopped. But he is a backup after all. However, at 3-3 with the season on the brink the door was absolutely shut. Who knows if we were getting that 2nd point but come hell or high water Kinkaid was dragging this team to overtime. Schneider loses this in regulation

That's what sets them apart. Kinkaid finds a way to get wins and points. Cory finds a way to blow wins and points.

Yeah basically if it was KK in the Florida game a few weeks back, he'd have given up a crap goal to start with then shut the door down the stretch whereas with Cory he played well until giving up the killer goal late.  Maybe Keith's just hot on a fluky streak but it's always been the same **** with Cory as a Devil finding ways to either give up the worst goals or the worst timed goals.  Honestly I don't think they win any of these four games if they didn't switch goalies.  Give credit to Hynes for doing what he needed to do once things got tight.

Edited March 24, 2018 by NJDevs4978

[Steven M.]

lol if Cory gives up the two goals Keith gave up in the third he is getting fvcking torched on this board. Absolutely no doubt about it.

at this point I really don't give a fvck who starts as long as they win so, hey, whatever works.

[aclc79]

3 hours ago, Steven M. said:

lol if Cory gives up the two goals Keith gave up in the third he is getting fvcking torched on this board. Absolutely no doubt about it.

at this point I really don't give a fvck who starts as long as they win so, hey, whatever works.

And it's all about team chemistry.  They seem to play with more passion and effort for KK.

[NJDevs4978]

4 hours ago, Steven M. said:

lol if Cory gives up the two goals Keith gave up in the third he is getting fvcking torched on this board. Absolutely no doubt about it.

at this point I really don't give a fvck who starts as long as they win so, hey, whatever works.

Probably because of game situation and Cory's lost the benefit of doubt in general, but both goals looked screened tbh...goal two was definitely a laser through traffic (think Sykora scored a similar goal on Marty in one of the SCF games in 2003) and goal three seemed like Lovejoy was the screen after screwing up the play to start with.

Edited March 24, 2018 by NJDevs4978

[TomsRiverDevil]

So, if Schneider plays tough and then gives up a back-breaker, but Kinkaid gives up something weak but closes the door, maybe we should should start Cory at the beginning of games and switch to Kinkaid to close it out! 

Edited March 24, 2018 by TomsRiverDevil

[mfitz804]

1 hour ago, TomsRiverDevil said:

So, if Schneider plays tough and then gives up a back-breaker, but Kinkaid gives up something weak but closes the door, maybe we should should start Cory at the beginning of games and switch to Kinkaid to close it out! 

Cory for 2 minutes, KK for 58. 

[Chimaira_Devil_#9]

Cory has always seemed like a player who does not deal well with additional competition and pressure. Where as Keith seems to thrive when there is some doubt and a threat to his place. 

Cory's best work here has been when he is assured the number one spot. When he was fighting it out with Marty he was prone to sh!tting the bed at times in key situations which is why Marty kept getting back in when he had no business doing so.  Then when he was handed the keys he was fantastic. 

The situation we have had this year has actually benefited Keith rather than Cory. Cory has been losing confidence all year and Keith has been waiting in the wings ready to prove himself. When Keith actually found himself as the number one without a challenge his play seemed to drop off. Then when lack was brought in he started to pick it up again. 

Not sure these two are the best tandem really.

[NJDevs4978]

Problem with that is Cory's short-circuiting started in late December/January before KK was ever a real threat, heck it was just several weeks ago where we were fantasizing about DFA'ing KK for Lack.  That could have been injury-related, but ever since the third period goal against the Panthers in his first game back things have spiraled out of control for Cory since getting healthy.

['7']

You really can't overstate what just happened. After turning aside 40 of 43 in Pitt. he comes back the next night against a rested Tampa club and turns aside 35 of 36 for the W. Back to back wins over Tampa and the Penguins. These are the NHL heavyweights not the garbage Coyotes and Sens and Rags and whoever else the Panthers are fed every night.

And we didn't score for him tonight. We got him two goals. And he made sure to shut the door at 1. Which Cory never does.

This is what clutch goaltending looks like. Thank you Keith for having a spine.

Edited March 25, 2018 by '7'

[Daniel]

Wonder if Shero could fleece Garth Snow in a Schneider trade. 

[Nicomo]

2 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Wonder if Shero could fleece Garth Snow in a Schneider trade. 

To bad the Oilers don’t need a goalie we could probably get McDavid one-for-one

[aclc79]

Any other takers?

[Daniel]

I mean, there’s a decent shot that the Isles are going to have two picks in the top ten.  So maybe Schneider and our first for one of the Isles’ first rounders if there’s someone the Devils really like that wouldn’t be available at wherever they end up picking. 

And let’s not forget that it would clear cap space if the Devils want to add a big name whether by free agency (Carlson or Tavares) or by trade and extend (OEL).

[aclc79]

But does CS have the value he once had?

[Daniel]

1 minute ago, aclc79 said:

But does CS have the value he once had?

All in the eye of the beholder and how desperate a team is for goaltending.  The Isles are certainly desperate for goaltending.  They’ve got Sorokin, but you don’t know what those KHL goalies actually are until they’re here.  

[mfitz804]

13 minutes ago, aclc79 said:

But does CS have the value he once had?

I think a team with a need for a goalie might take a shot on him, he’s young enough and was pretty good not that long ago. Someone will think he can turn it around.

But the easy answer is no, he doesn’t have the value he once had. Nobody is giving you the 9th overall pick in the draft for him today. 

[Daniel]

1 minute ago, mfitz804 said:

I think a team with a need for a goalie might take a shot on him, he’s young enough and was pretty good not that long ago. Someone will think he can turn it around.

But the easy answer is no, he doesn’t have the value he once had. Nobody is giving you the 9th overall pick in the draft for him today. 

But they might give you 9th overall for 16th overall and Schneider.

[NJDevs4978]

2 minutes ago, Daniel said:

But they might give you 9th overall for 16th overall and Schneider.

Is that really robbery though?  The difference between 9 and 16 is usually pretty minimal in a draft.  And I doubt Cory even gets that, going up seven spots in the first round is at least second round pick value and you're not getting a second round pick back for him coming off two poor seasons in a row with his cap number.

[Daniel]

3 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Is that really robbery though?  The difference between 9 and 16 is usually pretty minimal in a draft.  And I doubt Cory even gets that, going up seven spots in the first round is at least second round pick value and you're not getting a second round pick back for him coming off two poor seasons in a row with his cap number.

In most situations it doesn’t make sense, but here, the Isles will probably have two top ten picks, one of them might be top three.  You think our goaltending has been shaky, theirs has been putrid.  Then you add in the fact that Garth Snow is the other GM, who will do bizarre things.  

Much of what you can do with the Isles though depends on whether they re-sign Tavares.

[aclc79]

8 minutes ago, Daniel said:

In most situations it doesn’t make sense, but here, the Isles will probably have two top ten picks, one of them might be top three.  You think our goaltending has been shaky, theirs has been putrid.  Then you add in the fact that Garth Snow is the other GM, who will do bizarre things.  

Much of what you can do with the Isles though depends on whether they re-sign Tavares.

I think we can depend on Snow to do just that, slam dunk!

[NJDevs4978]

8 minutes ago, Daniel said:

In most situations it doesn’t make sense, but here, the Isles will probably have two top ten picks, one of them might be top three.  You think our goaltending has been shaky, theirs has been putrid.  Then you add in the fact that Garth Snow is the other GM, who will do bizarre things.  

Much of what you can do with the Isles though depends on whether they re-sign Tavares.

Well yeah they won't resign Tavares by the draft (or lose him) so unless he's definitively told them he's not coming back and/or they trade his rights they'll operate as if they're still going to resign him.

For his own sake Cory needs to go to a structured team though.  He's more a fit if you can lock things down and prevent chaos around the net, KK's more a fit for the fast, attacking and supportive style with fire drills all over the place.