vadvlfan Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I enjoy visiting this site more than any other. It is my source of devils info. Sometime I want to tell everyone about it, but I also want it to stay smaller manageable. I hope to see posts from all the folks (former admins) because i love the diversity in their opinions. I dont know what an admin does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annabelle Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 This is by far the best board out there, whether it be for hockey opinions or for whatever. Most people here are classy and have respect for others. It is sad what happened and I hope all all still post here. RD is awesome and has great opinions, and it's sad to see her go after so much work. We all have to respect the choices made and continue to keep this board the best out there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderDogX Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 (edited) I agree with most of the sentiments out there...without the whole information we have to understand and respect the decisions made. But first and foremost we all need to realize something about this board or anything that has been created out of desire, and love of something great like Devils Hockey. This board to me is like a hockey team...DM is the Coach and the Admins were the players...it was his brain child, his baby...thus in the end he makes the decisions...if he chooses for the team to be more defensive, more offensive whatever then the players work their hardest to be the best they can be with that new direction. If the players can't do that or don't want to then its the coaches right to put them on waivers, trade them, release them...I know its a lame analogy...but its true...and we all need to realize that...the harsh words or whatever aren't needed especially in a hard time like this. We need to band together to keep this the top Devils Board around!! Hopefully the former admins (and they were great) will choose to come back and post and they do deserve our respect...if anything is needed by me from DM, MSweet, or Rowdy then feel free to ask!! Edited March 12, 2006 by UnderDogX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I agree with most of the sentiments out there...without the whole information we have to understand and respect the decisions made. But first and foremost we all need to realize something about this board or anything that has been created out of desire, and love of something great like Devils Hockey. This board to me is like a hockey team...DM is the Coach and the Admins were the players...it was his brain child, his baby...thus in the end he makes the decisions...if he chooses for the team to be more defensive, more offensive whatever then the players work their hardest to be the best they can be with that new direction. If the players can't do that or don't want to then its the coaches right to put them on waivers, trade them, release them...I know its a lame analogy...but its true...and we all need to realize that...the harsh words or whatever aren't needed especially in a hard time like this. We need to band together to keep this the top Devils Board around!! Hopefully the former admins (and they were great) will choose to come back and post and they do deserve our respect...if anything is needed by me from DM, MSweet, or Rowdy then feel free to ask!! What in the hell was that. Other than the lamest attempt at ass licking I've ever read? If we want to continue with your admittedly lame analogy, Chicago continues to get rid of their best players and it's the FANS RESPONSIBILITY to tell the owner that he's fvcking the team over. It is *NOT* the role of the fans in Chicago to say "whatever Wirtz wants to do is fine by me - go HAWKS!!!". Though I suppose that should be expected from those posters that agree with "my country, right or wrong". The number of people that are just shrugging off the treatment of Hasan, RD, Red and Rock almost disgusts me as much as the rash action itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven M. Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 The number of people that are just shrugging off the treatment of Hasan, RD, Red and Rock almost disgusts me as much as the rash action itself. Well.. none of us have the "decent understanding of the situation" that you now have as you said in an earlier post.. I still have no clue what this is about and probably don't want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undersold Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 The number of people that are just shrugging off the treatment of Hasan, RD, Red and Rock almost disgusts me as much as the rash action itself. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I'm not sure what went on. I just checked the board today and saw this sticky. Anyway, maybe that's why there isn't more outrage at the way they were treated - however it may have been. Either way, I think we can all agree that the community's probably a better place if Hasan, RD, and the others get back to posting regularly, and I hope they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammyk Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Very sad to hear about this. Hopefully the dismissed admins come back to be regular posters. They shall be missed! --- Don, there is a difference, the members here do not pay to be members of this site. Hawks fans, while they do not have to pay to be fans they do have to pay to see the team, whether it is live or indirectly from watching TV and sitting through advertisments. Also, people shrugging it off doesn't have to mean they agree with it, just that they may not know what happened. So what are ya gonna do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderDogX Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 What in the hell was that. Other than the lamest attempt at ass licking I've ever read?If we want to continue with your admittedly lame analogy, Chicago continues to get rid of their best players and it's the FANS RESPONSIBILITY to tell the owner that he's fvcking the team over. It is *NOT* the role of the fans in Chicago to say "whatever Wirtz wants to do is fine by me - go HAWKS!!!". Though I suppose that should be expected from those posters that agree with "my country, right or wrong". The number of people that are just shrugging off the treatment of Hasan, RD, Red and Rock almost disgusts me as much as the rash action itself. Don, if it was anyone other than you I'd expect better. Call it what you will but just as we love the Devils regardless of the players they have or the changes they make us as fans still root for them. And my point was it is up to us as supporters of this board to continue to support the board for what it is not for anything else. This board is DM's brain child, his creation and if he chooses to go a direction that the Admins, who volunteer to take part in the work process, don't agree then there is no compromise for something someone else created. Out of respect you try to compromise but in the end its his decision...I doubt, even for the short amount of time I've been on the boards compared to most, that it was a lopsided my way or the highway and even though you might think you have all the info you could be lacking the full story as well...and since no one really knows other than the admins and DM then we as posters can help the board move on from this and keep it a top notch board or we can disperse and find other means for Devils news and chat...but those who leave out of spite or because of a hasty lack of information decision then the board is probably better off without then...I, for one, will continue to post as I hope everyone will in the manner that has made this the great board it is!! so... all you want I'm not taking this argument any further.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 (edited) Don, there is a difference, the members here do not pay to be members of this site. Speak for yourself. UnderdogX: Yes, DM pays the bills. So he has the right to whatever the hell he wants. I said that up front. But as users of the web site we have choices too. Do we want to continue using the site based on the actions of the site owner? Some people have already made their decisions. And to say that they aren't worth having since they have made that decison is a lie and a cop-out. If I read you correctly though, you are saying the board is better off without RoughDraft? You did just say that, no? Edited March 12, 2006 by Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammyk Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Speak for yourself. I assume you made a donation or something? I have also in the past. However, it is just that, a donation, you weren't required to. Unless DM sent you a membership bill or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I assume you made a donation or something? I have also in the past. However, it is just that, a donation, you weren't required to. Unless DM sent you a membership bill or something. I don't see what the difference is. I pay what I think a service is worth, whether I have to or not. I don't see how that effects my ability to criticize the service or not. As for the "what are you gonna do"? I would presume it wouldn't be assuming that DM is the right and the other admins are in the wrong just because he says so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammyk Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I don't see what the difference is. I pay what I think a service is worth, whether I have to or not. I don't see how that effects my ability to criticize the service or not. As for the "what are you gonna do"? I would presume it wouldn't be assuming that DM is the right and the other admins are in the wrong just because he says so. The difference is you are not required to pay. I said nothing about your ability to criticize. I was commenting on your analogy. Hawks fans have to buy tickets if they want to go to a game. It is not optional. The "What are you gonna do" comment is about many of the posters not knowing what happened and can only comment as they see it here in this thread. If you want you can enlighten them and they may change their stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 (edited) I wasn't sure if I was going to say anything here but I suppose I should say something after the recent posts. I, for one do have very strong feelings over what happened to everyone and the direction of the board in general - as those of you that have asked know - but I won't say anything in public about it because I agree that some things should not be posted in public. A large part of what this board is supposed to be about is treating fellow posters with respect not only on but off the board as well, and I think a lot of people here have gotten away from that. Whatever issues I may have had with anyone it was only because I wanted the board to be the best it could be, but I can't say the same thing for everyone that has had issues with me or the other admins. Above all else, that is why I'm taking a break for the time being - whether it's permanent or not I can't say for sure. I'm very torn, it's not easy to walk away from something that you've been a big part of for almost five years but sometimes enough is just enough especially when you're not having any fun any more with something that's supposed to be a place to hang out and enjoy in your spare time. I'm glad for most of the time I've spent here though, being an admin was a labor of love for me. I'm happy I got to help the board in that capacity the last couple of years, and appreciate the respect and thanks most of you have shown to me and the other admins. I've gotten to know and in some cases meet a lot of great people through this site and plan on continuing to talk with a number of you whether I come back and post or not. Some of you have asked about the post-game recaps, no it doesn't look like that feature is coming back anytime soon. I'm sorry for those people that did like them, RD and I thank those of you that did read and enjoy our recaps, ultimately though it makes little sense to continue it given the lack of people that do read them, combined with those that outright make fun of it which is part of what I talked about above with the lack of respect factor. One specific comment I will say because it needs to be said and I know this'll make a clique here angry but that's just too bad. The Naughty Little Devils thread was the worst thing to ever happen to this board for a number of reasons. Overall, it was totally unneccesary and directly or indirectly the source of many a conflict, and should have been locked a long time ago. Anyway I'll close by simply saying goodbye at least for now, and let's go Devils Edited March 12, 2006 by Hasan4978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilMinder Posted March 12, 2006 Author Share Posted March 12, 2006 Everyone has a right to question the direction this board is going to now. I have probably fielded more PM's in two days then the last two months. The forum rules aren't changing, they are not becoming non-existent. Nor are Matt and I going to suddenly ban people left and right. I am a refugee from NJO, just as many of the admins were. Trust me when I say there is no way in hell that this place will fall into a cesspool like that is. Some elements have crept into here that have become detrimental. Cliques, people who think there side is the only side and so forth. One clique managed to make two of two of admins go at it behind the scenes. This in turn made their dealings with you, the posters, more difficult. When people put their hearts into things and they get crap thrown back at them they tend to get bitter it's only natural. The lady doth protest too much, methinks. Everyone has a right to be upset with me, especially some who have made generous donations to keep this site running. I am centralizing things for a while, literally and figuratively. This place is made for the members, and the content is literally provided by you. Sure it hurts when leaders of a community fall, but I hope the community here is strong enough to survive this. And please, take your anger out on ME, not the fellow posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucifersDog Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I am truly sorry that wahever happened between DM and the administrators that caused the removal of the administrators except msweet had to happen. It certainly was a dynamic decision by DM and msweet. I remember when Red (redrum) jumped from NJ.com and started something else. DM then took over and we have what we have today a terrific board. I personally will miss Red. I sincerely hope he choses to post. The rest I don't care about they grabbed an opportunity and did a good job for the most part but they worked for DM. Rock was the most objective and did the most to provide us with information about the Devils. Thanks Rock. I think DM should have cleaned the board rather than leave msweet the enforcer who enforces his ego but that's my personal opinion. Since many posters donate to the success of this board I personally feel that a better explanation should have been provided by DM about what brought caused this action. But it's his board, funds only assist and he owes us nothing in an explanation other than what he has provided us. I also think there are two side to all issues and the administrators that were fired should be allowed to express their side of the issue. I am sure that another board will open soon and the facts will come out. It's too bad this had to happen. Thanks DM for providing this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandman441 Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I am a refugee from NJO, just as many of the admins were I don't think it will ever get that bad. I know the only problem I've ever had with this board was when the Ranger fan was I guess antagonizing everybody. But I don't think it will ever get as bad as NJO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRASHER Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I guess that's the real kicker here... as long as we don't KNOW THE ACTUAL story it's wrong pig-headed and biased to start venting wrath at one side or the other, and it's why for the most I'm staying quiet on the situation.. same reason I don't scream the refs an idiot when he makes a penalty call I never saw.... I feel I can't judge something without actually seeing it and I'm not even gonna make some wise-ass recaps comment now either cause I know what it's like to have the emotion and hear ripped out of something you did for 10 years (the lockout did that to me also) but again without knowing the whole story I don't feel right to give he said she said, but then again also.... it makes NO sense to kill a thread that's been going on for 2+ years too and people enjoy posting in and has taken a life of it's own... just like when the Ranger trolls come in here a nd start sit you also have the right to NOT GO BACK INTO THE THREAD (just like when you see something on TV you don't like... you turn it off)... no one's pointing a gun at your head and saying ooohhhh look at this bad thing (but I'm also adamantly against censorship in any form and the only word filtered on my crappy little forum is to annoy someone who annoys us all) I do think it SUCKS that those who are leaving are leaving, but again I can't in good conscience say something about it unless I know the whole story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I don't get the NLD bashing stuff either. I only started going in a few months ago but I don't see what the big deal is. People havee complained about young kids reading it but I don't think that is a big worry. I have yet to see a guest reading that thread. Also, clearly we have seen a certain 14 year old member talk about possibly having sex in one 8 page thread and that person might be one of the youngest people on the board. Kids at 13 and 14 are watching porn on the internet mostly. I am not sure how NLD ruined this site though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyNice Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I don't have too much to add that hasn't been said but I wanted to say *something*. Anyway, the primary reason this site is the premier Devils forum is because of the work of the admins. Unique features like the trade deadline stuff set this place apart. Without the active admins to do things like that I am not sure what will become of this place. I don't know what happened to take a side but recruiting people who are as good as this batch of admins will be a difficult task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucifersDog Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 I don't have too much to add that hasn't been said but I wanted to say *something*. Anyway, the primary reason this site is the premier Devils forum is because of the work of the admins. Unique features like the trade deadline stuff set this place apart. Without the active admins to do things like that I am not sure what will become of this place. I don't know what happened to take a side but recruiting people who are as good as this batch of admins will be a difficult task. Well said except for the one who will remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteyNice Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Well, neither DM or Msweet are really active posters. Not to the extent that Rock, Hasan and RD were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruM Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 First off, no one needs to feel bad for me, I support DM 150%!!! I hope all of you do the same, anyone passing judgement w/out knowing the reasons behind DM's decision are way off base. I will behere as I always have, many here are like my internet family( disfunctional as it may be!!!) I hopethe rest of the admins do the same as I and remain at the site as an active member!! LETS GO DEVILS!!! ( insert your own anti Freeze remarks HERE!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsdude530 Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Wow, way to keep it classy man, cheers to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucifersDog Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 RED, you are first class, don't change. Thanks for your efforts to originate this board. You should have been grandfathered. We don't need The Enforcer as the remaining administrator, DM should have dumped them all. That would have been a classier move considering the lack of information provide about the rift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 (edited) As a member who has been here since the NJO days, through Red's defection and on to the current incarnation of the board, I feel I should say something. I don't know anything about what's gone on, or what the incident(s) being referred to is - I tend to stay out of the off-topic threads. As a result, I don't think I'm privy to the drama, whatever it may be. But I must say this is the best run forum that I've ever been to, with consistently interesting, articulate posters. I wouldn't come here if it wasn't for you - I love listening to myself but not enough to post 7,000+ messages hearing myself talk; I wouldn't post here without thinking I could stimulate meaningful responses from the diverse posters. Those posters include some of the recently ousted admins, and I'd hope that whatever drama has occured that they could look past it. DM you run a great board and you invited me to be one of the first people at the newest version of the board - once I set up my PayPal account you're getting a much-deserved donation. I'm not sure why this decision has been made but I respect it. I'd like to implore the ousted admins to continue posting on the board - they make it interesting, and a great place to talk hockey. That's all it is, really - I think some view it as more than that, and it can be that too, I suppose - still, we all love the Devils and that's what brought us here in the first place. I'd hope we could see past whatever differences there are to keep that in mind. Edited March 12, 2006 by Triumph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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