TheMazz Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 The following quote is from a recent exchange with TheFourthPeriod: "Let's be honest. I'm not stupid. I know I have a year left and they canprobably deal me for prospects, young guys, whatever else is outthere," Vanek told the Buffalo News this weekend. "Yeah, I've thoughtabout it. If it looks like it's a long rebuild, then it probably makessense for both parties to move on." http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/buf130429.html Get it done Lou.. now is your chance to snag that top six forward we all have been waiting for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 A very hard deal to make without 1st round draft picks to give up unless they want it to be this years for Vanek. Unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Do not want to trade this years first for anything. Especially for what will likely amount to one year of Vanek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitico12 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Vanek and Kovy on both the 1st and 2nd lines would be a huge boost for us. The question is, what do you give up? Tallinder? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 We can't afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Not that I don't think Buffalo wants a 1st round draft pick, but I would imagine they'd prefer a package of 3-4 solid prospects, almost-NHL ready or better. I think Buffalo's GM feels more a sense of urgency than the patience of waiting for like an Islanders-style 5-6 year "rebuild". It'd be bittersweet. As with any trade for a major player, it'd take some important pieces of the Devils future to land Vanek, not sure how I'll feel if we gave up some of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 It's amazing the kind of negativity and dark cloud that's been over the fanbase and management in Buffalo literally ALL YEAR. What scares me is that both our teams finished at 48 points. Maybe because of 2011-2012 season and our management's track record, we're trained not to think "rebuild" after a season like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeski Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Seems as though Miller wants out too.http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/9218536/ryan-miller-uncertain-future-buffalo-sabres It's amazing the kind of negativity and dark cloud that's been over the fanbase and management in Buffalo literally ALL YEAR. What scares me is that both our teams finished at 48 points. Maybe because of 2011-2012 season and our management's track record, we're trained not to think "rebuild" after a season like this. Why is Buffalo ahead of us in the draft when we both have 48 points? Isn't the first tiebreak wins, of which we have fewer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Tallinder + Henrique + Urbom + Tedenby + 2nd/3rdWishful thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMazz Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share Posted April 29, 2013 It's amazing the kind of negativity and dark cloud that's been over the fanbase and management in Buffalo literally ALL YEAR. What scares me is that both our teams finished at 48 points. Maybe because of 2011-2012 season and our management's track record, we're trained not to think "rebuild" after a season like this. We can afford one or two seasons like this. I don't think the Devils will make being out of the playoffs a regular thing. Not to mention the Devils are ovbiously the more successful franchise. We might have both finished at 48 points but it's two different teams really IMO. I don't think Vanek is going to command such a massive return for a pending FA. We could easily give up a Kovy like return. Josefson/Tallinder/Urbom = Bergfors/Oydua/Cormier. And I wouldn't think that'd be giving up too much either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Seems as though Miller wants out too. http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/9218536/ryan-miller-uncertain-future-buffalo-sabres Why is Buffalo ahead of us in the draft when we both have 48 points? Isn't the first tiebreak wins, of which we have fewer? First tie breaker is regulation or overtime wins (basically excludes shootout wins) and unfortunately we have 17 and the Sabres 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 It's amazing the kind of negativity and dark cloud that's been over the fanbase and management in Buffalo literally ALL YEAR. What scares me is that both our teams finished at 48 points. Maybe because of 2011-2012 season and our management's track record, we're trained not to think "rebuild" after a season like this. Buffalo is in a much worse spot than we are. They should've been a much worse team than they ended up being, they traded away one of their top players and 2 more look like they're definitely leaving. They're possibly entering a years-long rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteyvegas51 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 And Petey wants Vanek in Jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Before you even consider it, an extension needs to be worked out. But, the speculation is just for fun. It isn't happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 (edited) a lot of people are assuming they ask for a first rounder. a lot of times we'll see in a scenario like this (and in other sports) where you end up giving less than you think. The closer it gets until Vanek's contract runs out, the more urgent Buffalo would be. Maybe a future first, a couple of 2nds, and a third, Tallinder, and Urbom? Thats CERTAINLY wishful thinking but if you give up three picks and send basically two NHL ready DMen, its not completely unreasonable. BUT of course, as Daniel stated, you MUST work out an extension on that contract. This is exciting, but more likely just hype over something that wont happen Edited April 29, 2013 by Onddeck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMazz Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share Posted April 29, 2013 (edited) a lot of people are assuming they ask for a first rounder. a lot of times we'll see in a scenario like this (and in other sports) where you end up giving less than you think. The closer it gets until Vanek's contract runs out, the more urgent Buffalo would be. Maybe a future first, a couple of 2nds, and a third, Tallinder, and Urbom? Thats CERTAINLY wishful thinking but if you give up three picks and send basically two NHL ready DMen, its not completely unreasonable. BUT of course, as Daniel stated, you MUST work out an extension on that contract. This is exciting, but more likely just hype over something that wont happen I'd think the only way this deal happens is if the Devils work out an extension with Vanek before hand...it's too bad that sign and trades in the NHL aren't allowed. Still I think we have enough tradable assets for a deal to be made. We have the cap room to sign him but we also have other players to sign as well.. so who knows how much cap room will be left over to potentially make such a signing happen. Edited April 29, 2013 by TheMazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Tallinder + Henrique + Urbom + Tedenby + 2nd/3rd Wishful thinking? Don't think they'll want Tallinder (they've been there and done that, though with only one year left on his deal, he's attractive from a money and years standpoint), and Tedenby is just a throw-in at this point...I don't think they care one way or another if he's a part of this deal...he's a bag of pucks. Henrique, Urbom, this year's 1st and something else might get them to listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Don't think they'll want Tallinder (they've been there and done that, though with only one year left on his deal, he's attractive from a money and years standpoint), and Tedenby is just a throw-in at this point...I don't think they care one way or another if he's a part of this deal...he's a bag of pucks. Henrique, Urbom, this year's 1st and something else might get them to listen. Pointless to include Henrique in any of these potential deals....he is going to be a quality player for us for some time.... The point is to SUPPLEMENT our forwards, not give one away to get another back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Henrique, Urbom, this year's 1st and something else might get them to listen. I think the Sabres do that deal in a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Pointless to include Henrique in any of these potential deals....he is going to be a quality player for us for some time.... The point is to SUPPLEMENT our forwards, not give one away to get another back... They're going to want a forward who has a good chance to help them right away...one who's young and inexpensive. Gotta give something up to get something back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I think the Sabres do that deal in a second. they would - it's a ridiculous overpayment. hell, henrique and urbom would be a great return for them. henrique is cost controlled for another 5 years and urbom's a baby. again - vanek has one more year of team control and a very high salary. i'd like him as much as the next guy but i don't think the devils are in a position to give what is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 are you kidding?? adding Henrique in that deal is insane. I probably wouldn't even want to see it happen. You gotta keep Henrique. The only thing we can really afford to get rid of is our D man. Our picks should make up for us not trading one of our forwards. look at last years stats: Henrique finished with 51 points and Vanek finished with 61. Theres no way I would give up Henrique, we would be the losers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 Call me crazy, but I think we saw the real Henrique this year (albeit with some increased bad luck). I think Parise and Kovalchuk made him a much better player last year. I'm a fan of selling high, and I honestly think Henrique's value is as high as it's going to get right now. If you could bring in Vanek with a condition relating to an extension, I'd do it in a heart beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RizzMB30 Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Call me crazy, but I think we saw the real Henrique this year (albeit with some increased bad luck). I think Parise and Kovalchuk made him a much better player last year. I'm a fan of selling high, and I honestly think Henrique's value is as high as it's going to get right now. If you could bring in Vanek with a condition relating to an extension, I'd do it in a heart beat. I considered that maybe this year was the real Henrique, but everyone had a down year this year. I don't think that we have the assets for Vanek. Bad idea. He's injury prone too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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