halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) I was never a fan of Steckel. Outside of his faceoff ability I didn't see much else he brought to the ice. Seemed like a mediocre PK man also, too slow to handle the great PPs in the league. I don't get trading him and waiving Pelley though, but I've seen very little of Bradley Mills. I'm concerned this is a cost cutting maneuver for a cash strapped owner. Edited October 5, 2011 by halfsharkalligatorhalfman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puckrock Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Well, it's official: Devils will sign Sykora tomorrow. Way to go, Sykie! http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2011/10/devils_after_trading_david_ste.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Whoa! Pelley is on waivers?!?! Big mistake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I was never a fan of Steckel. Outside of his faceoff ability I didn't see much else he brought to the ice. Seemed like a mediocre PK man also, too slow to handle the great PPs in the league. I don't get trading him and waiving Pelley though, but I've seen very little of Bradley Mills. I'm concerned this is a cost cutting maneuver for a cash strapped owner. How so when they're spending the money on someone else? If they dumped Zubrus and whoever else that makes money and doesn't have a clause, that would make some sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane1091 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 People are really missing Steckel? Really?!? Did you watch the guy at all? He may have been good for faceoffs on Washington, but he didn't do much in that department for us. He can't score, he can't skate, can't pass, and was costing us $1.1 million. He looked horrible in the preseason, and it's about time we got rid of him. We can pay someone LESS to do a BETTER job than he did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 How so when they're spending the money on someone else? If they dumped Zubrus and whoever else that makes money and doesn't have a clause, that would make some sense. Mills makes half as much as Steckel. Agree it's really pinching pennies if that were the case, but saving 525,000 on your 4th line center is a move that doesn't affect the team too horribly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 While I don' think it's fair to properly judge Steckel for his play in New Jersey, I would not mind seeing more of Henrique, if that's what that means. In that article, Lou suggested that he would need to make room if he wants to sign Stralman. Does that mean the hitmen will return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Mills makes half as much as Steckel. Agree it's really pinching pennies if that were the case, but saving 525,000 on your 4th line center is a move that doesn't affect the team too horribly. What's Sykora going to make? That's who he's being cleared for. I think everyone is convinced Sykora is going to work for a box of donuts every week, I don't think so. I think he'll get around what Steckel was getting. If they were broke, they wouldn't have a $59-60M payroll. The end. And like hell would the league let them do this if they were paying in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulartist23 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 We need a Lou-looking smiley that is holding a sign that says status quo It should be the old man Pokemon gameboy bit holding the sign, lol. :-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 While I don' think it's fair to properly judge Steckel for his play in New Jersey, I would not mind seeing more of Henrique, if that's what that means. In that article, Lou suggested that he would need to make room if he wants to sign Stralman. Does that mean the hitmen will return? if we sign Stralman i can only hope that its a 2way deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 As far as Stralman goes, I think Stralman's problem is the unkillable Mark Fraser. He's probably about 12 hours from backdooring a roster spot 2 years in a row. If he stays, Stralman probably doesn't get a contract and I don't think he'd sit around and wait like Mair did. If they can't trade him and don't want to pay him NHL money to play in the AHL... he goes to the luxury box with a roster spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 why would the devils give stralman a two-way deal, he's been an NHL player for 3 years - if he's not working out they should just try to send him overseas. i think sykora will make like 800k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) lol I can't believe all the people that are against this move. If Steckel doesn't win faceoffs he's useless, period. And he wasn't even winning faceoffs for us. man, this really seems short sighted. we finally have a guy that can do 3rd or 4th line work and is great at faceoffs and decent at PK and we deal him so that dreck like boulton, mills and janssen can black hole the 4th line. I wonder where this myth that Steckel's a great PK'er started? He's not. All he did on the PK in Washington was win faceoffs and clear off the ice asap. He's not a third-liner on anyone's team in the NHL. Edited October 5, 2011 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) why is there this belief that steckel didn't win faceoffs for NJ? it isn't true. you guys just don't know what a 60% faceoff winner looks like. it looks like a guy who wins 1 more faceoff in 20 than a guy who wins 55%. 4978: it may have something to do with steckel being washington's leading or 2nd leading forward in PK ice time since 2007-08. he was pushed out last season, but he was up there every other year. Edited October 5, 2011 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 People are going to see what a *bad* faceoff guy looks like when Patty takes the most faceoffs of anyone on the team. Steckel doesn't have alot of use to me but jesus are they pushing it as faceoffs go until Zajac comes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Zubrus is still going to be around. I think the team will be slightly below 50%, hard to say what Mills or Henrique will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 People are going to see what a *bad* faceoff guy looks like when Patty takes the most faceoffs of anyone on the team. Steckel doesn't have alot of use to me but jesus are they pushing it as faceoffs go until Zajac comes back. They were already pushing it as far as having lousy PK forwards go...at least Pelley's better in that area than Steckel for what that's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) why is there this belief that steckel didn't win faceoffs for NJ? it isn't true. you guys just don't know what a 60% faceoff winner looks like. it looks like a guy who wins 1 more faceoff in 20 than a guy who wins 55%. 4978: it may have something to do with steckel being washington's leading or 2nd leading forward in PK ice time since 2007-08. he was pushed out last season, but he was up there every other year. That's nothing to brag about when your team is 25th, 17th and 25th in PK the three seasons prior when Steckel was the leading forward in PK time, then the season where he got 'pushed out' the Caps suddenly went to 2nd in PK. I don't know where to find his faceoff stats but I know they went down with NJ...he was something like 63% with the Caps and 55-56% for us. That may not seem like a lot to you but 55-56 isn't all that special for a supposed faceoff guy, 63's elite. You could cry small size sample, but it's also about who you're facing too. Edited October 5, 2011 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) Our 4th line just got instantly better losing that pylon known as steckel. Mills can bring more energy....and we make room for sykie. I'm happy. And, no, steckel was nowhere close to being a good pk man in recent years, especially not last year. Edited October 5, 2011 by devlman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn01 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Ill take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msweet Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Steckel was a stiff. They were done with him. Addition by subtraction. And no, he couldn't kill penalties effectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 why is there this belief that steckel didn't win faceoffs for NJ? it isn't true. you guys just don't know what a 60% faceoff winner looks like. it looks like a guy who wins 1 more faceoff in 20 than a guy who wins 55%. 4978: it may have something to do with steckel being washington's leading or 2nd leading forward in PK ice time since 2007-08. he was pushed out last season, but he was up there every other year. why do you have this belief that Steckel was helping us? We argued about it before and now it seems like almost everyone here agree with me here (and so is Lou apparently) that he sucked for the $$$ he had. buddy can be good on faceoffs it doesnt matter when you can barely skate and can't do anything else, he was also not really good on the PK i remember him being the one making the mistake on the PK leading to a goal more than once... im stocked he's gone, never wanted him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) That's nothing to brag about when your team is 25th, 17th and 25th in PK the three seasons prior when Steckel was the leading forward in PK time, then the season where he got 'pushed out' the Caps suddenly went to 2nd in PK. steckel didn't get pushed out totally, he played less often. he was still used as a top penalty killer. and while i don't think steckel is anything better than an average PKer (with most of his skill being in his ability to win faceoffs), NJ doesn't really have anything behind him. I don't know where to find his faceoff stats but I know they went down with NJ...he was something like 63% with the Caps and 55-56% for us. That may not seem like a lot to you but 55-56 isn't all that special for a supposed faceoff guy, 63's elite. You could cry small size sample, but it's also about who you're facing too. 63% was the best faceoff percentage in the league by a wide margin. i did the math over the summer, steckel was around a 58.4% faceoff man for NJ, which is still #4 in the league. the idea that he somehow got worse at faceoffs is preposterous. sterio: most people will think that when a player is traded that he sucks as a result, especially someone like steckel who fans are predisposed to not like. steckel was overpaid slightly, but do the devils have anyone who really replaces him? no. is their 4th line terrible? yeah probably. Edited October 5, 2011 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 ...or that player really did suck and his position could easily be upgraded. Our 4th line now not only looks energetic, but entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort4345 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 This might be Lou's best trade ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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