Devil Dan 56 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Is it really a trade if nothing goes back the other way? Maybe I'm just salty about the Kovy thing, but I don't get how these trades aren't cap circumvention. They don't seem to be "in the spirit of the CBA" Edited July 27, 2021 by Devil Dan 56 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Is it really a trade if nothing goes back the other way? Something did go back. Two posts above yours. 9 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said: Maybe I'm just salty about the Kovy thing, but I don't get how these trades aren't cap circumvention. They don't seem to be "in the spirit of the CBA" There is a player going back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 30 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Something did go back. Two posts above yours. There is a player going back. The original trade listing had nothing going back. There were also the Ghost and Ladd trades before the draft which were for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) there's rumours that fleury might actually retire imagine trading for him and he fvcking retires . AGAIN. Edited July 27, 2021 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Ottawa Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Thank goodness we weren't in on Fleury. Trying to cheer for him in Jersey would have been tough for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, Rob_Ottawa said: Thank goodness we weren't in on Fleury. Trying to cheer for him in Jersey would have been tough for me... What did Fleury do to us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said: The original trade listing had nothing going back. There were also the Ghost and Ladd trades before the draft which were for nothing. “Future considerations.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Just flew into Denver and think I was sitting next to a scout for the Ducks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 hour ago, jagknife said: On a side note, another reminder that Marty's all-time wins record will probably never be broken. So much has to go right (and in some ways, wrong)...playing ALL of your career for a good team, starting 70+ games several times, and hanging on a little longer than you should have (Marty did rack up another 35 wins despite clearly being on the decline...Roy called it quits despite having something left in the tank physically). MAF at least seemed like a solid bet to be the 3rd goalie ever to record 500 wins...now it looks like he may not even reach that (still third on the all-time list though). Not to mention Marty played 222 more regular season games than the next guy (Roy, at 1044), and is one of just THREE goalies in the history to play in over 1000 games as a goalie. Every now and then we'll see a goalie reach 400 or so wins while still reasonably young, which will get us talking...but don't be surprised if none of them make it to 500 wins, let alone 691. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: “Future considerations.” They used to at least put that in. They don't even bother with that anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 (edited) Wow! I wish our team could circumvent, but alas we're not a cash cow like these other teams. I hear David Sterns and Tim Donaghy are going the NHL front office Edited July 27, 2021 by CarpathianForest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Devil Dan 56 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said: Low class move by Vegas if true. How do you not communicate with a guy who was such a big part of the team? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said: Uhhh…. This sounds not pretty. 2 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said: Low class move by Vegas if true. How do you not communicate with a guy who was such a big part of the team? Absolutely. That’s totally ridiculous if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: On a side note, another reminder that Marty's all-time wins record will probably never be broken. So much has to go right (and in some ways, wrong)...playing ALL of your career for a good team, starting 70+ games several times, and hanging on a little longer than you should have (Marty did rack up another 35 wins despite clearly being on the decline...Roy called it quits despite having something left in the tank physically). MAF at least seemed like a solid bet to be the 3rd goalie ever to record 500 wins...now it looks like he may not even reach that (still third on the all-time list though). Not to mention Marty played 222 more regular season games than the next guy (Roy, at 1044), and is one of just THREE goalies in the history to play in over 1000 games as a goalie. Every now and then we'll see a goalie reach 400 or so wins while still reasonably young, which will get us talking...but don't be surprised if none of them make it to 500 wins, let alone 691. What's even more impressive is that Marty, Roy and all those goalies played most of their careers in the tie game era. Marty has 154 ties in his career. So say we're generous and assume he would have won only half of those games in OT or shootouts... that's an extra 77 wins right there. All the young goalies from 2006 and up have that advantage and they are not even catching up to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, SterioDesign said: What's even more impressive is that Marty, Roy and all those goalies played most of their careers in the tie game era. Marty has 154 ties in his career. So say we're generous and assume he would have won only half of those games in OT or shootouts... that's an extra 77 wins right there. All the young goalies from 2006 and up have that advantage and they are not even catching up to him Devils...winning shootouts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Devils...winning shootouts... Once upon a time they did...through 2012, they were the best at them. Seriously (and hard as hell to believe now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonginator11 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Once upon a time they did...through 2012, they were the best at them. Seriously (and hard as hell to believe now). Yep. Parise and Kovy were almost automatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Bonginator11 said: Yep. Parise and Kovy were almost automatic Schneider had the worst case of the yips when it came to the shootout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Ovenchicken will be playing till he is 40. Chasing that Gretzky record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Once upon a time they did...through 2012, they were the best at them. Seriously (and hard as hell to believe now). Marty was great in them. You really saw how well he studied other teams' shooters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 33 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Uhhh…. This sounds not pretty. Absolutely. That’s totally ridiculous if true. I agree it's not a good move by Vegas, at the same time Walsh can't really bitch about it, if he wanted long term security for his client he should have negotiated in some NMC/NTC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Devil Dan 56 said: Marty was great in them. You really saw how well he studied other teams' shooters. His play in them declined at the end, but yeah, initially he was excellent in them. And in 2012 the Devils were beastly...you basically had Kovy converting at over 70% of his attempts and Parise over 50%...in a way it was a surprise that they were "only" 12-4 that year in shootouts, they were so dominant. Elias was quite good in them too that year, as the third shooter. This is going back a LONG way (I started a thread on it), but through 2012 the Devils had the best numbers overall since shootouts were implemented (and did so rather quietly)...obviously it went incredibly downhill after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said: I agree it's not a good move by Vegas, at the same time Walsh can't really bitch about it, if he wanted long term security for his client he should have negotiated in some NMC/NTC. I don't blame them for trading him if they think it's right for the team. I just find it so odd that they haven't communicated with him at all about it. Even on a GM to player basis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 oh... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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