Bonginator11 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 31 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Like, WHY would you not trade in the conference? WHY?! We aren’t making the playoffs. Yea I would understand not trading with the Rags but anyone else I would be totally fine with 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smelly Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 8 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Explain to me how Henrique got a first then. Better player, can play both center and wing, not slow as molasses or defensively challenged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smelly Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Jake Allen incoming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Now that it's sinking in: Don't love 50% retained, but it's not like that's going to affect anything beyond this year. It's plenty temporary. The return isn't a wow, but at the same time, Fitz is in a position where unless he got a first-rounder or a legit prospect in return, a lot of fans weren't ever going to be happy. The thing is if he had hung onto Toffoli past the deadline, there would have complaints from "Oh great, so guess we're getting nothing for him now" to "Awesome, now watch fvcking Fitz sign this guy for another four years". With the exception of one specific scenario (Devils get a first-round in return), this was going to play out as lose-lose, especially with so many Devils fans as down on Fitz as they are (and yes, he brought quite a bit of that on himself). I'm not saying this deal represents anything to jump around about. But I don't think this was the worst-case scenario. Keeping him just to let him walk for nothing at all (especially since the Devils are really playing for nothing) or to sign him for another 3+ years would've been worse, IMO. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitico12 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Jake Allen? WTAF! He stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muevelos Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 23 minutes ago, ButlerBulldog said: Why Miller? He’s generally been solid. He's the definition of a deadline piece. He's not signed next year, could maybe fetch something. We're dead weight this year and he probably won't be here next year regardless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smelly Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Allen -- yuk. And he has another year also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smelly Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Conditional third for Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muevelos Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 There's the move y'all been waiting for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButlerBulldog Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 6 minutes ago, Muevelos said: He's the definition of a deadline piece. He's not signed next year, could maybe fetch something. We're dead weight this year and he probably won't be here next year regardless Your reasoning in and of itself is sound, but I’m wary of leaving the Devils with no depth at defenseman over these last nineteen games regardless of whether the team is making the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) Just throwing this out there, but what if ownership is really pulling Fitz's strings and he's just their waterboy basically. What if it's ownership telling him to make these decisions because they want to be frugal with money and max out on profits? Hence, the team isn't getting better but they're raising ticket prices as just one example. I don't know how hands on, or hands off ownership is, but could that be the case? If it is then this franchise is toast. Edited March 8 by slasher72 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 16 minutes ago, Mitico12 said: Jake Allen? WTAF! He stinks. Because he knows Dave Rogalski is my guess. Which means Rogalski isn't going anywhere. lol. Just gets better and better. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButlerBulldog Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 4 minutes ago, slasher72 said: Just throwing this out there, but what if ownership is really pulling Fitz's strings and he's just their waterboy basically. What if it's ownership telling him to make these decisions because they want to be frugal with money and max out on profits? Hence, the team isn't getting better but they're raising ticket prices as just one example. I don't know how hands on, or hands off ownership is, but could that be the case? If it is then this franchise is toast. That actually makes Fitz look worse, IMO. No general manager worth his salt should be willing to work for an ownership group asking him to prioritize profit over winning. I know that sports is a business, but making moves that don’t enable a team to improve runs contrary to the purpose of the general manager position. Edited March 8 by ButlerBulldog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 This is the best they could do? Should have got a first at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 6 minutes ago, slasher72 said: Just throwing this out there, but what if ownership is really pulling Fitz's strings and he's just their waterboy basically. What if it's ownership telling him to make these decisions because they want to be frugal with money and max out on profits? Hence, the team isn't getting better but they're raising ticket prices as just one example. I don't know how hands on, or hands off ownership is, but could that be the case? If it is then this franchise is toast. 2 minutes ago, ButlerBulldog said: That actually makes Fitz look worse, IMO. No general manager worth his salt should be willing to work for an ownership group asking him to prioritize profit over winning. They let him spend to the cap and have let other GMs spend (including Lou, who was spending badly at that, at the end). Don't think that is the case at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muevelos Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 I'm curious. Does this mean VV is traded in the offseason cuz no way we are rolling with both him and Allen. I'm worries this means Fitz is pushing the can down the road on the goaltending thing issue. Also what happened to Fitz this year? Up until this year every signing and trade he made he either won or made complete sense and was great ultimately minus Palat being overspent on but can make sense of it. This year this isn't the same GM we've had, it's like he's fell off the cliff. I'm curious what the hell is going on in that front office Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 5 minutes ago, Muevelos said: I'm curious. Does this mean VV is traded in the offseason cuz no way we are rolling with both him and Allen. I'm worries this means Fitz is pushing the can down the road on the goaltending thing issue. Also what happened to Fitz this year? Up until this year every signing and trade he made he either won or made complete sense and was great ultimately minus Palat being overspent on but can make sense of it. This year this isn't the same GM we've had, it's like he's fell off the cliff. I'm curious what the hell is going on in that front office I know he got extended but if he doesn’t make solid moves this summer, his seat better start warm after the failure that was this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muevelos Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Just now, jagknife said: I know he got extended but if he doesn’t make solid moves this summer, his seat better start warm after the failure that was this year. I agree completely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButlerBulldog Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, jagknife said: I know he got extended but if he doesn’t make solid moves this summer, his seat better start warm after the failure that was this year. He needs to nail the coaching hire and number-one goalie acquisition, or he likely won’t make it to the second year of his extension. Edited March 8 by ButlerBulldog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 8 minutes ago, ButlerBulldog said: He needs to nail the coaching hire and number-one goalie acquisition, or he likely won’t make it to the second year of his extension. Jake Allen...Dave Rogalski... Does that mean Craig Berube is on the way? 😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 9 minutes ago, slasher72 said: Jake Allen...Dave Rogalski... Does that mean Craig Berube is on the way? 😁 Berube would be great 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, slasher72 said: Just throwing this out there, but what if ownership is really pulling Fitz's strings and he's just their waterboy basically. What if it's ownership telling him to make these decisions because they want to be frugal with money and max out on profits? Hence, the team isn't getting better but they're raising ticket prices as just one example. I don't know how hands on, or hands off ownership is, but could that be the case? If it is then this franchise is toast. They make so much more money if they make the playoffs. Wanting a GM who actually gets the team in the playoffs would make way more sense. Also retaining a lot of salary isn't cost saving either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 32 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Berube would be great If that's how Rogalski will fulfill his usefulness here, so be it. Lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 I’m not betting on it, but watch the Devils on a run now, now that they don’t have Toffoli to slow them down. That would be ironic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 23 minutes ago, njbuff said: I’m not betting on it, but watch the Devils on a run now, now that they don’t have Toffoli to slow them down. That would be ironic. If Timo goes off, then I'll be happy to see that. I want his confidence sky high to start next season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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