Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Before delving into this, just want to say I'm not implying that Cory has been awesome this year. There's been both some bad goals and some freakishly unlucky goals, and some couldn't-come-at-a-worse-time goals, and he hasn't always been consistent. And yeah, he's not a good puckhandler, but we got so used to watching a guy who was SO good at it that it probably makes Cory look even worse than he really is (though it's abundantly clear that yes, this will probably never be a strength for him). That being said, his season save% is up to .918. That is good for 11th in the league. Since 10/24, it's .923, which is just below his career save%. This playing for a team that clearly has both talent and injury issues, and having to adjust to a workload that he's never gotten in the NHL. His .918 save% goes with a 2.50 GAA. Marty managed a 2.51 GAA with a lowly .901 save% just last season. It's been discussed, but for those who want to use the "See we plugged in a better save% and it didn't make any difference" argument, it's clear that the problem is that this team as a whole has dropped off significantly from last season...they are giving up just over 29 shots per game (and many good scoring chances), which is unheard of for this franchise...suffice it to say that this team no longer suppresses shots against and scoring opportunities. Some of the players who are still here from last season aren't as good now as they were then, and a lot of the IF scenarios that this team was built on simply haven't gone the Devils' way. Damned near EVERY night it seems like the Devils are two to three steps slower than their opposition for many minutes at a time (though occasionally they have dominating periods that usually result in them not being able to finish...definitely seen a lot of that the past couple of seasons). I've seen the two-steps-slower thing rear its ugly head several times in the playoffs since 2004, but never anywhere near this often in the regular season. Anyway, just hope most Devils fans realize that Cory is pretty much at the bottom of the "What's Wrong With the Devils" list. Considering the mess that's often been in front of him, he's actually played pretty well. I think it's pretty scary to think where this team would be WITHOUT Cory...even with some of the issues he's had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I don't think Cory is the problem because we would be losing with pretty much any goalie cause this team sucks. That being said I'm overall pretty meh about Cory. I don't love or hate him, he's just there. It's hard to get excited about anything with this team because they are beyond painful to watch. It's pretty sad that I've basically ended the season in my mind already. I've never given up so early in a season before but meh. Meh sums up everything about this team for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewarkDevil5 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Cory Schneider's numbers have improved and I'm glad because we really need him to be magical to win games this year. I'm still not enamored with his playing style, but then again I grew up on a very different type of goalie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Cory Schneider's numbers have improved and I'm glad because we really need him to be magical to win games this year. I'm still not enamored with his playing style, but then again I grew up on a very different type of goalie. Nice thread, CR. It says a lot about Cory's talent that some can be "meh" on him when he has a .918 save percentage in a year with some ups and downs. There's definitely been an adjustment for him playing so much. He said it himself -- he is used to having time off and practices to tweak areas of his game that he was struggling. This year he is playing a ton, and the Devils haven't had so many practices. As for your quote ND, Cory is classic butterfly and Marty was different. It was a lot of fun to watch, but after the last 4-5 years with Brodeur, I welcome the classic style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Anyway, just hope most Devils fans realize that Cory is pretty much at the bottom of the "What's Wrong With the Devils" list. Considering the mess that's often been in front of him, he's actually played pretty well. I think it's pretty scary to think where this team would be WITHOUT Cory...even with some of the issues he's had. The sad part is most people here will agree with you, and a lot of the loudest people at The Rock tonight don't want to hear any of it. I'm 2 or 3 games away from slapping the sh!t out of this guy at the tables behind Section 119 who starts "WE WANT MARTY!" chants after every goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 He is a blessing, some fans just don't realize it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Most of Cory's problems have been a result of poor defense, not lack of skill on his part. You cannot expect to give up 36 shots in a game and he's going to get 35 of them. He needs more defensive support, less shots, and his numbers would inevitably be better. And if his numbers were better, you'd be talking potential all-star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewarkDevil5 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Nice thread, CR. It says a lot about Cory's talent that some can be "meh" on him when he has a .918 save percentage in a year with some ups and downs. There's definitely been an adjustment for him playing so much. He said it himself -- he is used to having time off and practices to tweak areas of his game that he was struggling. This year he is playing a ton, and the Devils haven't had so many practices. As for your quote ND, Cory is classic butterfly and Marty was different. It was a lot of fun to watch, but after the last 4-5 years with Brodeur, I welcome the classic style I understand that, but at the same time as a classic butterfly goalie, Cory needs to work on his early committing, rebound control and the primary weakness of the style which is the high corners. Those are areas that come a playoff time (assuming we find ourselves there in the near future) that will be exposed mercilessly as video analysis intensifies on the strengths and weaknesses of opposing goalies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I understand that, but at the same time as a classic butterfly goalie, Cory needs to work on his early committing, rebound control and the primary weakness of the style which is the high corners. Those are areas that come a playoff time (assuming we find ourselves there in the near future) that will be exposed mercilessly as video analysis intensifies on the strengths and weaknesses of opposing goalies. Lundqvist, Rask, Price and other butterfly goalies are fine in the playoffs. 95% of goalies are predominantly butterfly and have most of the same weaknesses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William D'Aquila Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Last night was a good game for Cory, no weak goals and we win. Most of Cory's problems have been a result of poor defense, not lack of skill on his part. You cannot expect to give up 36 shots in a game and he's going to get 35 of them. He needs more defensive support, less shots, and his numbers would inevitably be better. And if his numbers were better, you'd be talking potential all-star. Disagree, he has given up a bunch of clunkers this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Last night was a good game for Cory, no weak goals and we win. Disagree, he has given up a bunch of clunkers this year. Schneider was as sharp as a knife last night 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William D'Aquila Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Indeed SMantzas, last night he looked like the Cory from last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brown Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Schneider is the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Last night was a good game for Cory, no weak goals and we win. Disagree, he has given up a bunch of clunkers this year. That's fair. But I think my point still has validity. The clunkers are more tolerable where he's well defended the rest of the time and giving up less of those "hung out to dry" type of goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Nice thread, CR. It says a lot about Cory's talent that some can be "meh" on him when he has a .918 save percentage in a year with some ups and downs. There's definitely been an adjustment for him playing so much. He said it himself -- he is used to having time off and practices to tweak areas of his game that he was struggling. This year he is playing a ton, and the Devils haven't had so many practices. As for your quote ND, Cory is classic butterfly and Marty was different. It was a lot of fun to watch, but after the last 4-5 years with Brodeur, I welcome the classic style One thing I think people need to do is let Cory be Cory (which I think you are doing). Even though the Marty of the past two years clearly wasn't the in-his-prime Marty, it seems like some fans want to compare Cory to the younger Marty...it's never fun following a legend, even one that was quite obviously not capable of playing like a legend with any consistency anymore. We were so lucky to have a once-in-a-generation goaltender like Marty play for us...and he was truly once-in-a-generation talent in many ways (especially from the freakish durability standpoint). Even at 39-40 years old, he was still capable of sustained runs of strong goaltending (though we also saw the beginnings of decline in those years as well). Basically, I'm not asking Cory to be a legend. I'm asking him to be good to very good. So far, I don't think he's been that far below that, and the team in front of him isn't doing him any favors; on that note, with the exception of the first half of 2010-11, Marty never had to play on a team playing this poorly...that's not to disparage any of Marty's accomplishments in the slightest, but Cory is not exactly in an ideal situation right now...this team is really struggling on multiple fronts (including finding an identity...it feels like most of these forwards are passing through). And we really are lucky to have Cory...just look at all the goalies Colorado has gone through since Roy retired. The Devils got their hands on a guy who, at the very least, is a strong puck-stopper who could be an elite puck-stopper...that's a pretty major find. Now they just have to put a team in front of him that isn't awful. One thing I hate is the way the goals he allows are constantly nitpicked...it's like some people are just looking for reasons to say "See, he's really not that good at all." What's amazing is even with the bad goals and the unlucky goals, he's STILL putting up a .918 save%. As said above...the guy does stop pucks at a good rate. So unless one thinks that Cory is just constantly going to be unlucky, his numbers are likely going to get better (though he'll have to overcome his team for the time being). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefiestygoat Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Schneider is now 6th in the league in 5v5 SV% at .932 (minimum 800+ minutes) according to Puckalytics. He may not be having a year up to his standards so far but his GA%- is still 5% above average and he's been worth about 3.39 goals saved above average according to Hockey Reference. Considering he's played a league leading 1,557:14 so far and about 160 minutes more than the next goalie, I'm pleased with his performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Yeah, I don't think anyone can complain about him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 He was a beast tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 That Schneider is maintaining a higher save percentage than Henrik Lundqvist with the Rangers on fire and the Devils absolutely miserable, is astounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I'm very stoked to have Cory on this team. Remember, many people feel (Devils fans & non Devils fans alike) that Marty's success over the years was due to how the team played in front of him. It's obvious this team is weak and they merely react to whatever the other team is doing. We never (very rarely) control pace of the game 5 on 5. (B's game was indicative of this-we had 2 :"flurries" the entire game) Lou made a great move to get him, He going to be with us, (thankfully) so get used to it. Lou has made some brutal/marginal signings recently, but Cory's is a very good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 .923 save% since 10/24. .926 since 10/30. .922 for November, .924 for December, .940 in three January games. For a team that's pretty bad. Not sure how much more he could be doing. At least Devils fans seem to finally realize that picking apart every goal he allows is both unfair and borderline ridiculous. For the most part, Cory has stopped pucks at a very Cory-like rate. He deserves minimal criticism, if that much. I feel for him...one of his prime years is going to waste. And probably at least another one, as it doesn't look like the Devils have the resources from within to hope that this will right itself quickly (as in next season). They do have some money coming off their cap, and some deadwood on its way out, but as great as it is to have some money to spend, I'm not sure who is all that appealing out there that Lou can spend it on. Just hope Cory isn't thinking "Why the hell did I stay?!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldon Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I appreciate! Imagine if we could get 3 goals a game for him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 If he continues to play this well I hope people can look past the W/L record instead of judging him guilty by association with not making the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Just hope Cory isn't thinking "Why the hell did I stay?!" Eh, I agree with everything else you wrote but I don't really care if he is thinking this. This team doesn't live to satisfy Cory and furthermore, he's under a long term contract and it's not like he can just walk away. He may not be winning in his prime but he is making good money and gets to start more than any other goalie in the league. Edited January 9, 2015 by Neb00rs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Eh, I agree with everything else you wrote but I don't really care if he is thinking this. This team doesn't live to satisfy Cory and furthermore, he's under a long term contract and it's not like he can just walk away. He may not be winning in his prime but he is making good money and gets to start more than any other goalie in the league. Never said it was all about satisfying Cory, but the guy is human. He is clearly one of the better goalies in the league. It kind of sucks when you know that even your best isn't going to be enough to overcome the crap in front of you. If Cory was 24 or 25, he'd at least have a lot of potentially good years in front of him, and he probably does now, but he'll already be 29 by the end of this season. Sure, technically no one is going to feel sorry for millionaires who get to live what is a dream for most of us, but I don't expect Cory to just think "Well, at least I'm getting paid well and getting lots of games, so I guess my team sucking shouldn't bother me." Edited January 9, 2015 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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