Daniel Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Yes, because what was asked is exactly what we were talking about. The initial proposal was JVR, this years TOR first, next years TOR first, and Nylander. Go ask those GM's about that. Also, each team has their own needs. THIS team has zero offensive assets. One player isn't turning around this team. I don't care who it is. The style of play would also diminish their current offensive talent no matter who comes here. Also, look how long it took for the Isles to build around Tavares. There is zilch in the system, I look forward to looking at the same posts for the next 5 years blaming Lou, Conte, and how we still have no forwards. How are the Devils going to acquire any real offensive talent? How? Don't just complain, come up with a proposed solution. Take a real long look at the current lineup and Albany. Think about it. First, Tavares did not project as high as McDavid. I actually remember hearing rumblings that they were considering going with Hedman. If anything, Tavares is McDavid's floor. The assumption is that McDavid will be as good as Crosby, and will have the advantage of having more rules that protect shots to the head. If you're talking about that specific Toronto deal, as I said, I would probably take it, and I doubt that Toronto offers it, unless you take away next year's first, which would be a deal killer if I were the Devils. In that case, you are getting a proven 25 to 30 goal a year scorer, and two players that have yet to play a game in the NHL, and could be nothing more than second liners. If the Penguins don't make that deal for Crosby, neither should the Devils for McDavid. So far as bitching and moaning about Lou and Conte, if the Devils win the lottery, and take McDavid, the lack of forwards in the system will seem like a distant memory. The team is above NHL .500 right now, and could significantly above that mark. You add McDavid to the team, and assuming he hasn't completely pulled the wool over everyone's eyes, the Devils should be a playoff team next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 From our keyboards to God's ears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I agree and disagree. The market itself might be big but as you said we are greatly overpowered by Rags and Flyers fans. Next season the Isles will be in Brooklyn and they are a good team that is fun to watch. So while we are in a big market we are still a small market team in that our fan base is basically the size of a small market team. On top of that we are defensively focused and boring to watch. I've been through 2 relocation scares since I've been watching this team. McDavid would help any team he goes to financially but for a team that struggles with ticket sales and viewership he would help more. A team like Toronto or the Rags will make their billions regardless. A team like Arizona or NJ would benefit more. There is no agree or disagree here. We are not a small market team. We have the 7th richest TV deal in the entire league and are part of the largest TV market in the country. Small market teams have distinct definitions that do not apply to us. Its based on media market. We're the complete opposite. The fact that we have to compete with Rags/Isles and Flyers fans is only relevant to market saturation, but it doesn't make us "small market", it means we're in a very large market and have competition. The Islanders moving to Brooklyn doesn't affect us. Their TV deal is exactly the same as ours and I don't see Devils fans jumping ship b/c the Isles are in Brooklyn. They're still a NY team. Teams like Florida or Arizona would kill for our TV deal b/c it brings in so much revenue. And talking in hypotheticals is silly. We've renewed the TV deal multiple times over the past 10-20 years and we've always struggled with ratings and attendance, even when the team was contending year in and year out. The Prudential Center is as much an anchor for this team as any. We're not leaving NJ anytime soon. I also don't think McDavid is a golden goose for this franchise in respect to business. McDavid is not going to make the Rags fans in NJ switch allegiances, same goes for the fans of the other teams. If the on-ice product is better, it will help our bottom line, but that goes without saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I'm becoming more and more convinced that, if we don't win the lottery, Lou trades our pick. He knows first hand how badly he's screwed up the offense. An 18 year old picked 7th-10th overall won't be NHL ready for at least a few years. He wants to win now, and he'll make a move that indicates it. Not sure if I agree with this at all though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Lou will pick a shut down defenseman with a slightly higher upside than Mark Fraser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I'm becoming more and more convinced that, if we don't win the lottery, Lou trades our pick. He knows first hand how badly he's screwed up the offense. An 18 year old picked 7th-10th overall won't be NHL ready for at least a few years. He wants to win now, and he'll make a move that indicates it. Not sure if I agree with this at all though. This is pretty much what I am starting to think now too. There really isn't anyone 7th onwards that really excite me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wensink Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 That 1st and what gets O'Reilly? He is only 24 and capable of being our #1 center. What do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 That 1st and what gets O'Reilly? He is only 24 and capable of being our #1 center. What do you guys think? No. He's signed for only one more year at a 6M cap hit, so trading for him risks him leaving after next season. I don't have the confidence in this front office to successfully re-sign him and definitely do not want to trade a top 10 draft pick this year for a potential one year player. It's more of a gamble trading for O'Reilly than drafting someone. Even with him on the team next year, we're unlikely to be contending. That's a move you make when you're closer than we will be going into next season. For one of our 2nds and a prospect? Yes, that's something to consider. I don't see this pick being traded at this moment. There are 7 good forwards in this draft worthy of taking in the top 10. Several of whom (provided they're available) could be on this team next season. Its not just about next season, this is a potential long term player that could be a contributor for years to come. I could see other picks of ours (i.e. we own pick #37 if we hold our current place, #42 from the Jagr trade if FL stay where they are, and a pick in every other round except the 5th unless the Wings make the ECF) being traded and probably will be, but the #7 I think will be a player drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 whats terrible is that there's no control on our future on the attack. It's clear its gonna have to come from trades or from the market. I think our drafting as been terrible enough and for long enough that we can safely discard the chance of a saviour through the draft or at least its gonna take awhile. then trades... that means you take a step back somehow sending something away. and on the market well we'd have to overpay for sure and then it doesnt even mean players would want to come here. so we're not in a situation like other teams where we just have to be patient and get it together with the pieces we have... were in a position where were clearly missing top assets and god knows how we'll get them and if we'll get them and if its gonna be enough. Severson and Schneider are the 2 players on this team that i could see as "face of the franchise" who would be worth displaying next to Crosby/Malkin, Quick/Doughty/kopitar, Duchene/landeskog/Mackinnon, Toews/Keith/Kane etc etc etc you need those guys to win and most of the time those guys are homegrown... The only team who managed to get tons of top players through UFA is minny and it's not because of the way the team was ran or wtv, was mostly cause it was in Minny and players wanted to go home. I've been critical of the job Lou has done recently and agree with much of what you said above but the one wildcard this year is the cap coming in at 71 million, or whatever, and the number of teams that will have a cap crunch. It is set up for teams like the Devils, who have the cap space, to pick up a bargain or two on the trade market. For all of his other sins over the last decade, it's been a long time since Lou made a bad trade, at least when it comes to the significant ones. Obviously Ponikarovsky 2.0, Ruutu or Zidlicky for a 3rd are all questionable but when you think back to the major trades like Schneider, Zidlicky from Minnesota and Kovalchuk, Lou has actually killed it. If he can steal a good young forward for the 8th pick in a trade and we make good forward picks in the 2nd round, things all of a sudden look a lot brighter. With that being said, I'm still probably in favor of BPA at 7/8th and two forwards in the 2nd round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 That 1st and what gets O'Reilly? He is only 24 and capable of being our #1 center. What do you guys think? His constant contract squabbles with the Avalanche is a major red flag for me, especially for a guy that's one year away from needing a new deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 No. He's signed for only one more year at a 6M cap hit, so trading for him risks him leaving after next season. I don't have the confidence in this front office to successfully re-sign him and definitely do not want to trade a top 10 draft pick this year for a potential one year player. It's more of a gamble trading for O'Reilly than drafting someone. Even with him on the team next year, we're unlikely to be contending. That's a move you make when you're closer than we will be going into next season. For one of our 2nds and a prospect? Yes, that's something to consider. I don't see this pick being traded at this moment. There are 7 good forwards in this draft worthy of taking in the top 10. Several of whom (provided they're available) could be on this team next season. Its not just about next season, this is a potential long term player that could be a contributor for years to come. I could see other picks of ours (i.e. we own pick #37 if we hold our current place, #42 from the Jagr trade if FL stay where they are, and a pick in every other round except the 5th unless the Wings make the ECF) being traded and probably will be, but the #7 I think will be a player drafted. Unfortunately, it's #8 now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Unfortunately, it's #8 now...Of course it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 The Devils have a very difficult stretch coming up - it's not particularly likely that they stay in 8th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William D'Aquila Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Kessel is coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) The Devils have a very difficult stretch coming up - it's not particularly likely that they stay in 8th. True, but the one thing that can be said to that, is that the Devils only have 3 road games left vs. playoff teams. The Devils get to play a lot of the tough teams at home where they play their best better hockey. That said, I do not see them beating a desperate Kings team at the Rock on Monday. Edited March 21, 2015 by Neb00rs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 The Devils have a very difficult stretch coming up - it's not particularly likely that they stay in 8th.From your lips to God's ears... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Does it really matter unless you get #1 or #2 pick the rest are a crap shoot and are 2 or 3 years out. As for FA Cammy was the only one in past 5 years that was a good move. Trades are another thing I don't think we should trade Schneider, Kinkaid, Larsson, Merrill, Greene or Severson nor should we trade Zajac, Henrique, Cammy, Josefson, Elias, Gomez (resign him). The rest should be gone and won't bring $hit. We are in for a rough ride these next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Does it really matter unless you get #1 or #2 pick the rest are a crap shoot and are 2 or 3 years out. As for FA Cammy was the only one in past 5 years that was a good move. Trades are another thing I don't think we should trade Schneider, Kinkaid, Larsson, Merrill, Greene or Severson nor should we trade Zajac, Henrique, Cammy, Josefson, Elias, Gomez (resign him). The rest should be gone and won't bring $hit. We are in for a rough ride these next few years.Jagr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Jagr Yes Z8 I forgot that he played well in the previous season and he is playing well with Florida. I have often said the Devils don't know how to play their player strength but they want defense first with a losing strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I'm becoming more and more convinced that, if we don't win the lottery, Lou trades our pick. He knows first hand how badly he's screwed up the offense. An 18 year old picked 7th-10th overall won't be NHL ready for at least a few years. He wants to win now, and he'll make a move that indicates it. Not sure if I agree with this at all though. I'm starting to agree. Hopefully its a RH center in his mid/late 20's) not Joe friggin Thornton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I'm starting to agree. Hopefully its a RH center in his mid/late 20's) not Joe friggin ThorntonI hope and pray Lou stays the fvck away from Thorton and Kessel.I wonder what Gelinas + 2015 1st could bring back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caron14 Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 If we trade it... I wish it in a deal for kessel... I se not other avalaible players that would be our superstars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sokar Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Its going to cost at least the Devils 1st and there two 2nd round picks for the Leafs to think about trading Kessel to the Devils that is way to much for one player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMazz Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I don't know how sold I am on Marner. Remember the last undersized "skilled" forward we drafted? (Tedenby) Do we really need another one of those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Its going to cost at least the Devils 1st and there two 2nd round picks for the Leafs to think about trading Kessel to the Devils that is way to much for one player I don't think it would take that much if Toronto really wants to get rid of him, which it appears they do. His contract makes the places you could trade him to limited. Then you take out the teams that are still in rebuilding territory, which tend to be the teams with a lot of cap space, and the options narrow further. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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