NJDevils1214 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 44 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: I think the "right now" part of what I said wasn't clear. I meant I would give him the job for right now since Palmieri is playing bad. Not I would give him the job forever "right now". Bad wording on my part. I haven't heard anything about his timetable, but if he's already 19, is there a reason he couldn't try for a spot in 21-22 (if that's a thing)? If he is on the same trajectory next season I don't see why Holtz wouldn't make the team out of camp. I'm not sure you say the same thing this season, whether he was on the hook to play in Sweden or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonDreads Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 I feel rather confident we'll be seeing Holtz in New Jersey in 2021-22, it's possible the organization could want him to marinate an extra season in Sweden but I think he would be ready to ride shotgun with one of our centers in that sesaon. We could be in for another big youth push next season, because I'm also expecting both Bahl and Mercer to make big pushes to make the team out of camp in 2021-22. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 unless he's really giving the team no choice during training camp i'd rather wait another year for Holtz and hope that Foote can make the team next season and see what a hard shooter can do with our centers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 hours ago, CommonDreads said: I feel rather confident we'll be seeing Holtz in New Jersey in 2021-22, it's possible the organization could want him to marinate an extra season in Sweden but I think he would be ready to ride shotgun with one of our centers in that sesaon. We could be in for another big youth push next season, because I'm also expecting both Bahl and Mercer to make big pushes to make the team out of camp in 2021-22. Maybe Okhotyuk, too? Didn’t he have a pretty good camp? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, MB3 said: idk if you came up with the phrase “space jammed” but when I tell you i just snort laughed, hooooly sh!t that’s good stuff. Yeah that was me heh heh. Glad I could spread a chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Yeah that was me heh heh. Glad I could spread a chuckle. I just read it and was like “that’s exactly right”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 No points for Holtz in 6 games. The WJC really broke his flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said: No points for Holtz in 6 games. The WJC really broke his flow. Is he back on a line with Eklund? If he’s not producing even playing with that kid I’ll start to worry a bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 53 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Is he back on a line with Eklund? If he’s not producing even playing with that kid I’ll start to worry a bit... Obvious bust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, mfitz804 said: Obvious bust. Gotta admit, not that I’m close to worried about a kid so young, but a part of me keeps wondering about a “sniper” that doesn’t seem to find the back of the net all that much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Mercer might end up being the better player from that draft. Holtz did have COVID though didn’t he? Maybe that took a lot out of him. Marco Rossi is missing a whole season because of COVID from what I understand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpkin cutter Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 holtz is gonna be a stud. i am puttin my reputation on the line like mftiz did with zacha. mercer might be a gem, look forward to seeing how he develops. one things sure he's got the mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Gotta admit, not that I’m close to worried about a kid so young, but a part of me keeps wondering about a “sniper” that doesn’t seem to find the back of the net all that much. Yeah, I’m also obviously not really worried yet, but just out of curiosity I looked to see what Laine did his final season before coming into the NHL, and he had 17 goals (46 GP) in Liiga. A ton of goals in all the tournaments he played in, too. Holtz is currently at 6 goals in 28 GP in the SHL, and obviously wasn’t scoring at the WJC. Now I know the SHL is supposed to be a much better league than Liiga, so I don’t think it’s all that useful to compare the two, but I heard a lot about how he’s possibly the best pure sniper since Laine, so I wanted to see how they did around the same age. Edited February 6, 2021 by Nicomo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 12 hours ago, Nicomo said: Is he back on a line with Eklund? If he’s not producing even playing with that kid I’ll start to worry a bit... Eklund is not in the lineup right now, he's sick. And Holtz is on the 3rd line. I sure hope im wrong and eating crows but man am i ever not feeling that pick at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Holtz will probably be fine. I'm not going to freak out too much about his production. The world being so crazy right now can't be helping things either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 I watched a lot of video on Holtz (and most other top 10 prospects) leading up to this draft. It's a shame that the WJC was the best exposure to him for many of us, because apart from one game, it wasn't a good display of what he has to offer as a player. If the Devils had drafted any other player with the 7th pick, I'd still say the same thing: Holtz is the best shooter from that draft. But he's not only that, he's an underrated playmaker/passer, an above average skater, very good on the PP, and not a guy who's going to shy away physically. While he's not likely to be the guy carrying a top line in the NHL (e.g. Pastrnak), he still is a pretty complete player. He'll just need a Hischer/Hughes to reach his potential. I've seen this guy score goals from all over the offensive zone: from the blue line to the goal line. And he had kept it up in the SHL this year leading up the the WJC, where he has since cooled off. Then I saw this video: You're of course not seeing much play away from the puck in this video, and it's a small sample size. But it's striking how different he looks here. The shots he's getting off are either being blocked (which he's normally good at avoiding) or are these low percentage slappers from far out. He's making quick, panicked plays. He is getting outskated when he has the puck. His creativity with playmaking is nearly entirely gone. Losing his edge, losing puck battles, giving up on plays early - all more frequently than normal. He isn't playing with the intensity he normally plays with. Maybe his mental game is totally thrown off, and he's having a hard time getting that back. But I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing with some kind of nagging injury. Stupid thing to do at this stage of his career. But the way that he's avoiding tough areas, making the easy play when he faces opposition, and getting so easily outskated has me feeling like there's got to be something more to it than just being on a cold streak. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, nessus said: I watched a lot of video on Holtz (and most other top 10 prospects) leading up to this draft. It's a shame that the WJC was the best exposure to him for many of us, because apart from one game, it wasn't a good display of what he has to offer as a player. If the Devils had drafted any other player with the 7th pick, I'd still say the same thing: Holtz is the best shooter from that draft. But he's not only that, he's an underrated playmaker/passer, an above average skater, very good on the PP, and not a guy who's going to shy away physically. While he's not likely to be the guy carrying a top line in the NHL (e.g. Pastrnak), he still is a pretty complete player. He'll just need a Hischer/Hughes to reach his potential. I've seen this guy score goals from all over the offensive zone: from the blue line to the goal line. And he had kept it up in the SHL this year leading up the the WJC, where he has since cooled off. Then I saw this video: You're of course not seeing much play away from the puck in this video, and it's a small sample size. But it's striking how different he looks here. The shots he's getting off are either being blocked (which he's normally good at avoiding) or are these low percentage slappers from far out. He's making quick, panicked plays. He is getting outskated when he has the puck. His creativity with playmaking is nearly entirely gone. Losing his edge, losing puck battles, giving up on plays early - all more frequently than normal. He isn't playing with the intensity he normally plays with. Maybe his mental game is totally thrown off, and he's having a hard time getting that back. But I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing with some kind of nagging injury. Stupid thing to do at this stage of his career. But the way that he's avoiding tough areas, making the easy play when he faces opposition, and getting so easily outskated has me feeling like there's got to be something more to it than just being on a cold streak. He has no confidence right now. It’s plain as day to see. He is playing with no confidence. When your confidence is shaky, your game is shaky, and you do the exact things you talked about: indecision, making panicked plays, losing puck battles, etc. Holtz needs to get a little confidence in his game again, and hopefully that will get him back to the level he was playing at pre-WJC. Edited February 7, 2021 by MadDog2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Yeahhh, i'm not a scout or anything but I see patterns. So often we read about prospects and their potential, how amazing they are based on wtv measure... but you watch their videos and you just don't really see the... not even sure how to describe it... you just see the "oomph" factor. You can see that they are skilled and getting success but you just don't see the top top potential. I felt that way with Larsson, Josefson, Zacha, McLeod, etc And we all remember hearing about Larsson oozing skills and offensive potential, that literally never came. He always looked stiff and uninterested to me. Then we heard about Josefson "elite" defensive play and IQ... we heard about Zacha lethal shot and offensive instinct... meh... To be fair i was pretty high on Boucher, Gelinas and Tedenby... which were all failures too lol I just don't see the oomph with Holtz and he was last one my list of players in our reach i wanted to draft but let's hope i'm wrong and eating crows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicomo Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Walsh and Foote had a nice night for Bing in their AHL debuts. Both scored goals, and Walsh’s was the game winner in OT. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Walsh and Foote had a nice night for Bing in their AHL debuts. Both scored goals, and Walsh’s was the game winner in OT. came here to post this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 26 minutes ago, Nicomo said: Walsh and Foote had a nice night for Bing in their AHL debuts. Both scored goals, and Walsh’s was the game winner in OT. That’s good news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Well Eklund is back on the 3rd line with Holtz and they are playing right now i believe. He's also not playing on the PP and they have the worst PP in the SHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Holtz scored the game winner as Djurgarden came from 3-2 down in the third to win 4-3. Glad I could break his curse by pointing out he hadn't scored. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chimaira_Devil_#9 said: Holtz scored the game winner as Djurgarden came from 3-2 down in the third to win 4-3. Glad I could break his curse by pointing out he hadn't scored. Now he's a 20 year All Star again. Whew. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Pretty fitting that Foote's first professional goal went in off his...foot 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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