justdo3043 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 this guys desire to move, his no trade, and his big contract make his trade value worth less than foster and a 3rd pick i would think still think he's an upgrade over foster so im for the move if you can move foster and a low pick for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevil26 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 It's good for him that he has a no trade... but his comments forced Yeo to alienate the crap out of him as far as the rest of the team goes. He can dictate where he goes but there's no way he can go back in that locker room it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharifijanov2099 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Would honestly rather re-sign Salvador to a 1-yr contract at about 2.5 than trade for Zidlicky (since Sal is the only D coming off the books after this year), and Foster. Just doesn't make sense to me to add another 4 mill to the back-end when many of the players are already on contracts slightly above their actual worth. We may have other stuff coming off the books (Marty, Parise, etc), but that doesn't mean we should just continue to add at positions where we already have some degree of depth. If NJ ever wants to go out and try for a truly impact D, then yes (but as many note, those are rare). Zidlicky ain't one of them. The only way a trade for Zid would be palatable to me is if we send Tallinder's contract the other way. I'd tolerate sending Greene the other way, but I don't think NJ will do that. And I doubt the Wild want Tallinder's deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharifijanov2099 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Kubina could make some sense if Tallinder isn't going to be healthy anytime soon. Expiring contracts are much less risky. That said, is Kubina at this stage of his career much better offensively on the PP than Taormina, Foster, etc.? You might call him an upgrade, but I honestly haven't watched him this season. It still creates a glut on D, but maybe NJ doesn't wanna have to use Taormina or Larsson much in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias26 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Lou has liked Kubina for years. I'd much rather him then Licky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Lou has liked Kubina for years. I'd much rather him then Licky. Yeah, as evidenced by ... what exactly? Salvador at 2.5M next year would be a disaster. He turned 36 5 days ago. He's playing capable hockey, and he's excellent on the PK, but 5 on 5 he's not been very good this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharifijanov2099 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Yeah, as evidenced by ... what exactly? Salvador at 2.5M next year would be a disaster. He turned 36 5 days ago. He's playing capable hockey, and he's excellent on the PK, but 5 on 5 he's not been very good this year. Yeah, I'd rather not resign him at all and not trade for Zid. Let Taormina, Urbom--let them keep developing and playing NHL hockey. My response was just aimed at the "guys on expiring deals" thought thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayday Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Here are some other trade options: MAB from Tampa, Tampa Bay is sinking right now and they sure could use a defensive defense man. Although MAB might actually be worse defensively than Foster. Streit from NYI, 31 points this year with an atrocious -21 though. Maybe? Cap hit is to high I think. just realized how awesome karlsson is doing for the sens. hope larsson can become like him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Here are some other trade options: MAB from Tampa, Tampa Bay is sinking right now and they sure could use a defensive defense man. Although MAB might actually be worse defensively than Foster. Streit from NYI, 31 points this year with an atrocious -21 though. Maybe? Cap hit is to high I think. just realized how awesome karlsson is doing for the sens. hope larsson can become like him Our defense is decent enough. Unless we're giving up entirely on re-signing Parise, I don't want anyone who we're on the hook for more than $2 m. in salary past this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayday Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Our defense is decent enough. Unless we're giving up entirely on re-signing Parise, I don't want anyone who we're on the hook for more than $2 m. in salary past this year. Theres been time for Parise to resign here. Going forward we need to make moves to improve this team for a playoff run/playoff series. We need to make decisions that will improve our team. If they affect Parise resigning here than so be it. We NEED to improve in certain areas(mobility in the back end). I'm getting ticked off here, I don't want Lou not to make a beneficial move because Parise is still in limbo on whether he wants to resign, leave, or test the market. this is a TEAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Theres been time for Parise to resign here. Going forward we need to make moves to improve this team for a playoff run/playoff series. We need to make decisions that will improve our team. If they affect Parise resigning here than so be it. We NEED to improve in certain areas(mobility in the back end). I'm getting ticked off here, I don't want Lou not to make a beneficial move because Parise is still in limbo on whether he wants to resign, leave, or test the market. this is a TEAM. I'm not saying it's Parise uber alles, just that I don't want to take on a large financial commitment for someone who, at best, only marginally makes the team better this year, which are basically all of the defenseman that are available. If you're talking about Weber or Suter that's another thing entirely. There's always a tension between making your team better now and doing what's best for the long term. In this case, the chance that Zidlicky or whoever is the missing piece that puts us over the hump are not large enough to justify the potential long term impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Long term impact? Unless we'll be that tight that the $4M will cost us Parise, I don't see how there is much of one. If you don't resign Salvador, its only a $1.1M addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Theres been time for Parise to resign here. Going forward we need to make moves to improve this team for a playoff run/playoff series. We need to make decisions that will improve our team. If they affect Parise resigning here than so be it. We NEED to improve in certain areas(mobility in the back end). I'm getting ticked off here, I don't want Lou not to make a beneficial move because Parise is still in limbo on whether he wants to resign, leave, or test the market. this is a TEAM. We have Merrill coming soon and Larsson developing. Why would an old, overpaid blueliner impact the team that positively? Also, that's a roster spot we're giving up that one of the kids in our system could be fighting for. Like Daniel said, Weber and Suter are a different story. I would go for them even at the risk of losing Parise, but Zidlicky not only endangers us keeping Parise (more valuable to the team than Zidlicky will ever be), it also creates a bad situation for the development of our d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) I am pretty sure that the Devils getting Zidlicky would not impact Parise, one way or the other. As for the kids, none of them are right handed shots who can run a power play. Lou used to let this sort of thing happen organically - now that he's no longer forced by the salary cap to play kids to save cap $, there's a rush to put Merrill in the NHL ASAP. Edited February 16, 2012 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) We have Merrill coming soon and Larsson developing. Why would an old, overpaid blueliner impact the team that positively? Also, that's a roster spot we're giving up that one of the kids in our system could be fighting for. Like Daniel said, Weber and Suter are a different story. I would go for them even at the risk of losing Parise, but Zidlicky not only endangers us keeping Parise (more valuable to the team than Zidlicky will ever be), it also creates a bad situation for the development of our d. You could make Tallinder or Greene 'dissapear' if you have to, hell you could even make Zidlicky dissapear. Merrill's not ready to be in the NHL both in terms of he hasn't played a lot this year and maturity-wise. Urbom's been up and down a bunch, he doesn't look anywhere close to being ready. Clearly they're not high on Taormina, or they would have given him a chance to run the PP or play regularly. And Lou's not stupid, he's not going to overspend and jeopardize keeping Zach...unless he knows Zach's already a goner anyway. Edited February 16, 2012 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 the only way they could know parise is definitely leaving is if they've made the decision they are not giving out a contract that is more than 6/42 because they can't afford it - and he'll obviously get almost double that from at least 5 other teams. there is little doubt if they offer him a competitive offer, he will take it and stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 How in any way does Parise get affected by Zidlicky? Zidlicky will be moveable no matter what and in worse case scenario he signed before 35 right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 How in any way does Parise get affected by Zidlicky? Zidlicky will be moveable no matter what and in worse case scenario he signed before 35 right? I'm not talking about cap space, but actual dollars available. Barring a trade there's no way you can get rid of that. At best you can just defer it with a buy-out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) I'm not talking about cap space, but actual dollars available. Barring a trade there's no way you can get rid of that. At best you can just defer it with a buy-out. You may call me naive for this but I just don't think that's playing in to it. As far as I'm concerned the Devils have basically said that they are not going to let the team finances stop the team from spending on players. It's clear Lou wants a cup run this year whether the team is ready or not. As far as I'm concerned everything Lou is doing, is done with Parise in mind. Edited February 17, 2012 by ben00rs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chorske17 Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I'd rather trade Parise for Rick Nash. Personally, I'd rather trade Kovalchuk for Nash so we can keep Parise, but that is NO secret! Rick Nash has what the Devils are missing up front. It won't happen, but a fun "What if"... Then the Devils could concentrate on a VERY GOOD D-man and hopefully/more importantly go after a solid goalie. I can't wait to see the fiasco next year with goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 How does trading away Kovalchuk have to do with keeping Parise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I'd rather trade Parise for Rick Nash. Personally, I'd rather trade Kovalchuk for Nash so we can keep Parise, but that is NO secret! Rick Nash has what the Devils are missing up front. It won't happen, but a fun "What if"... umm...not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I'd rather trade Parise for Rick Nash. Personally, I'd rather trade Kovalchuk for Nash so we can keep Parise, but that is NO secret! Rick Nash has what the Devils are missing up front. It won't happen, but a fun "What if"... Then the Devils could concentrate on a VERY GOOD D-man and hopefully/more importantly go after a solid goalie. I can't wait to see the fiasco next year with goal. You're still here? I thought you and MantaRay were hiding in a bunker together swapping Kovalchuk turnover stories. Hate to break it to you, but Nash isn't any better than Kovalchuk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 You're still here? I thought you and MantaRay were hiding in a bunker together swapping Kovalchuk turnover stories. This might be my favorite post of the month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazer Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) zach has more post season experience than kovalchuk if were going for it this year then im chugging lou-aid so is it go after the rangers or go around them Edited February 17, 2012 by lazer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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