Lateralous Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 If Hynes trusts this Gragnini fellow to play and man the point for the PP over a heathy Gelinas, I may have to move up my prediction to 2 years until Eric is out of the league. Mike Brown, you have to imagine that management and coaches who see him every day know that Gelinas problems are much more than a simple lack of playing time. The dude just isn't an NHLer IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brown Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Did you feel the same way about Larsson too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mike Brown said: Haha, are you seriously comparing the two? One guy at his low was clearly still showing flashes which had the fan base calling for more playing time. DeBoer also had a history of not handling young guys, minus Merrill, well. Gelinas looks like a mess every time he's on the ice and 2 GMs + 3-5 head/co-head coaches have shared that opinion. Do you really think it's just a lack of playing time? Edit: Furthermore, Larsson's biggest problem IMO was that for a while he never showed that he was good enough at any one thing at an NHL level to justify the high pick. Gelinas is more like the terrible 7'-0" center in college basketball who keeps getting a chance because he's a 7 footer but in reality just sucks Edited January 11, 2016 by Lateralous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brown Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Gelinas has shown plenty of flashes. And the analytics are on his side too. And I never said anything about lack of playing time. I said he hasn't gotten consistent playing time. That's the key. He's still very young who's shown tons of upside, but without consistent playing time, he'll never become seasoned. When he was paired with Larsson two seasons ago, he was great. Then Larsson got hurt, and he got paired with Merrill, and since then his game fell off a little bit. But he has shown plenty of flashes like the game against the Bruins, and has shown far more positives than negatives. Also, I don't blame the coaches. Moore and Schlemko have been too good to take out of the lineup. The only odd man out was Merrill. Merrill has literally brought nothing to the team. Gelinas actually brings something positive, while Merrill doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Fair enough. I just think the ship has sailed if you're pinning any hopes to Gelinas either becoming a serviceable player or a tradable asset with value. Hopefully I'm the one who turns out to be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoffeecake Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I think I'm with Mike Brown here. Gelinas has certainly shown "flashes", especially in his first season. The word Calder was thrown around next to his name when he first came up on this board. Everyone has been quick to defend Severson and even Merrill when they've stumbled for various bits of time, pointing to the fact that defensemen can take longer to develop than forwards and often go through periods of poor play and inconsistency. It wasn't long ago i was watching Larsson with the A Devils in Atlantic City and people were calling for him to be traded for a guy like Kerby Rychel. I don't think Gelinas is definitely going to be a serviceable NHLer, but it's still too soon to say he never will be or that he has no trade value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Thought O'brien had a very strong game, would like him centering the 4th line. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patty4HOF Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 1 hour ago, thecoffeecake said: I think I'm with Mike Brown here. Gelinas has certainly shown "flashes", especially in his first season. The word Calder was thrown around next to his name when he first came up on this board. Everyone has been quick to defend Severson and even Merrill when they've stumbled for various bits of time, pointing to the fact that defensemen can take longer to develop than forwards and often go through periods of poor play and inconsistency. It wasn't long ago i was watching Larsson with the A Devils in Atlantic City and people were calling for him to be traded for a guy like Kerby Rychel. I don't think Gelinas is definitely going to be a serviceable NHLer, but it's still too soon to say he never will be or that he has no trade value. But that's exactly it. The flashes were in his first season, and he hasn't shown much since. And it's not just that he isn't showing flashes, he's regressing. Larsson and he are different cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoffeecake Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Patty4HOF said: But that's exactly it. The flashes were in his first season, and he hasn't shown much since. And it's not just that he isn't showing flashes, he's regressing. Larsson and he are different cases. I understand there are different cases, but the parallels are that Larsson was getting the same treatment from this fan base not long ago. I'm not saying Gelinas won't end up short of a regular NHLer, but I don't think it's a shut case on him quite yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Boucher and O'Neill up- Gragnani and O'Brien down. http://fireandice.northjersey.com/mobile/fire-ice-1.174987/devils-call-up-reid-boucher-and-brian-o-neill-send-down-marc-andre-gragnani-and-jim-o-brien-1.1492884 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunslinger27 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Reid The "Waterboy" Boucher ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Calder was thrown around for Gelinas? Must of been some serious partying going on at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Seemed like it was only a matter of time before Boucher was going to get another chance. Glad he is...it's getting to be time where he needs to show something at the NHL level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoffeecake Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/16/2016 at 7:30 PM, titans04 said: Calder was thrown around for Gelinas? Must of been some serious partying going on at that time. You must not remember the strong start he had when he first came up. It wasn't ever really possible that he'd be a Calder finalist, but he was playing well enough that the word was thrown around. "If he keeps it up", "he'll be in the conversation", "he's not far behind" etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoffeecake Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I did a piece for New York Puck on Boucher and Blandisi's current stint with New Jersey: http://newyorkpuck.com/2016/01/21/blandisi-and-boucher-contributions-provide-rare-offensive-spark-from-pipeline/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Moore back to IR yesterday, Helgeson was called up and is playing with Severson tonight. Hynes said Moore aggravated his injury the other night. Farnham back tonight as well, playing on the third line with Boucher and Josefson. Kalinin out tonight too, he's ill per TG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zubie#8 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 That's awesome to see Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Not sure which thread this would go. I thought it was pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) The scary thing about that pic is that I could see something along the lines of that crest eventually replacing the standard NJ logo. I think we're getting a jersey re-design within the next few years...and though I'm not outright opposed to change (as much I like our current jerseys and logo, I don't think either one of them are necessarily sacred), I think whatever comes out will be almost as upsetting as the Fishsticks and Buffa-slug jerseys. I hope I'm dead-wrong about that. Of course, if that does happen and the fans throw enough of a sh!t-fit, we would likely get the old design back (if slightly modified/updated). Edited January 29, 2016 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 29 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: The scary thing about that pic is that I could see something along the lines of that crest eventually replacing the standard NJ logo. I think we're getting a jersey re-design within the next few years...and though I'm not outright opposed to change (as much I like our current jerseys and logo, I don't think either one of them are necessarily sacred), I think whatever comes out will be almost as upsetting as the Fishsticks and Buffa-slug jerseys. I hope I'm dead-wrong about that. Of course, if that does happen and the fans throw enough of a sh!t-fit, we would likely get the old design back (if slightly modified/updated). Yeah, I agree. You can do so many things with the name "Devils" that the possibility of a major screw up is realistic. Some of the designs I've seen are cringe worthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 If they want to do a third jersey that changes the logo but that is only used occasionally, I suppose I could live with it. And I've generally tolerated a lot of the stupid things the marketing group has done over the past few decades like that douchey and embarrassing "professional fan." But a complete change of the jersey would just be a money grab (that would be ineffective in the long run anyway) and, even worse, a sign that the Weber and company have gone full cargo cult in thinking that jersey changes are what generate fan interest. My guess though is that there won't be anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 The scary thing about that pic is that I could see something along the lines of that crest eventually replacing the standard NJ logo. I think we're getting a jersey re-design within the next few years...and though I'm not outright opposed to change (as much I like our current jerseys and logo, I don't think either one of them are necessarily sacred), I think whatever comes out will be almost as upsetting as the Fishsticks and Buffa-slug jerseys. I hope I'm dead-wrong about that. Of course, if that does happen and the fans throw enough of a sh!t-fit, we would likely get the old design back (if slightly modified/updated). You don't think the only logo this team has ever had and the jerseys we won three Stanley Cups in are sacred? They're sacred. They're as sacred as it gets to me. And so help me God, if they touch the logo or the jerseys, I will be at the front of the fvcking line raising hell. We've built a tradition with this logo and these jerseys. A winning tradition. They fvck with that, they'll find out real quick it 'ain't gonna fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck the Duck Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 I don't think there will be any major jersey design change. Our jerseys are generally regarded as well designed, and one of the top 10 in the league. A third jersey is inevitable because sports are a major money grab, but if they redesign the crest and go with something as hokey as this as part of the primary jersey, then I, along with a lot of other people, am going to have a major problem with it. It will end up making the goal song debacle look tame. I just don't see that happening though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) MD2020...to be clear, if this franchise decides to modify the jerseys, I'd prefer at most a mild tweaking/updating of the jersey and/or the logo...something extremely subtle, yet noticeable. I'd much rather 90% or so of what the jersey is remain relatively untouched, and if the jerseys are never changed, I'd be fine with that too. I am open-minded to something different though, and it's not unheard of for logos to change (I guess in a way I'm mentally preparing myself for this, in case what seems like the unthinkable actually happened). Doesn't mean I'll like the final result, and like I said, I get the feeling that I'm going to hate whatever potential redesign gets put out there. I can't honestly think of anything I'd rather see than what we've already been watching since 1982. Though I'll always have the warm and fuzzies for the Christmas classics (especially since those colors were chosen for a reason), I thought going to the red and black was a serious improvement. And if there's never another one beyond that, I'll be plenty happy. Ideally, this never goes past a bunch of fans debating this on a message board. Edited January 29, 2016 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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