RizzMB30 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Why though? He's scored a little for the Sharks this year, but he's also getting more ice time out of sheer necessity (the way that some grinders wind up scoring 15 goals for an expansion team, because they're getting Top 6 minutes). He's already 24 years old. I don't think anything would be wildly different if he was still here...guys like Zetterlund and Boqvist just didn't do enough to stick around, given where this team is trying to get to. Nothing against him, but if he's part of a deal to bring in a guy like Timo (who's less than three years older than Zetterlund), I make that deal every time. Zetterlund was a great bottom line plug who had "late-bloomer" top line potential ala Blake Coleman. There was a period of time where he was a Lindy favorite during the win streak. He was a better version of Miles Wood who understood defensive side of the puck. Probably a huge reason that's he's trusted with the extra ice time in SJS and Wood is still a bottom 6 guy. I agree with your Boqvist point, but Zetterlund brought a grittier style of play. Almost like he knows the role you want him to perform depending on where you throw him. Really liked the player and I think Timo does bring a little bit of the same physicality so it was okay sending Z the other way, but I think some of the grittiness and sandpaper comes from guys like Meier, Bastian, McLeod, and players like Z. I guess I am saying that having an extra who is willing to mix it up and play gritty is helpful to have around. Would have been interesting if we could have kept him around. I don't think Lazar is here either if you keep Zetterlund. Zetterlund would slot into that 4th line LW spot with McLeod and Basti, then play up in case of injury like when he was playing with Hischier and Tatar. Edited November 30, 2023 by RizzMB30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 49 minutes ago, RizzMB30 said: Zetterlund was a great bottom line plug who had "late-bloomer" top line potential ala Blake Coleman. There was a period of time where he was a Lindy favorite during the win streak. He was a better version of Miles Wood who understood defensive side of the puck. Probably a huge reason that's he's trusted with the extra ice time in SJS and Wood is still a bottom 6 guy. I agree with your Boqvist point, but Zetterlund brought a grittier style of play. Almost like he knows the role you want him to perform depending on where you throw him. Really liked the player and I think Timo does bring a little bit of the same physicality so it was okay sending Z the other way, but I think some of the grittiness and sandpaper comes from guys like Meier, Bastian, McLeod, and players like Z. I guess I am saying that having an extra who is willing to mix it up and play gritty is helpful to have around. Would have been interesting if we could have kept him around. I don't think Lazar is here either if you keep Zetterlund. Zetterlund would slot into that 4th line LW spot with McLeod and Basti, then play up in case of injury like when he was playing with Hischier and Tatar. Don’t forget that Fitz was planning on Foote being a part of things too. But obviously his getting hurt changed things a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDfan1711 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I didn't wanna muck up a GameDay thread with general convo, but since others have already kind of gone there, I guess I just want to ask what some here, since I seem to be in the minority, see in Schmid, or rather, don't see in VV? Reason I ask is because based on last game, at least in my eyes, 3 of the 4 goals he allowed were really not his fault. Goal #1 was on the PP and the Isles had great luck movement. Hard for any goalie to stop Horvat's one-timer there. Goal #2 was a breakaway....yet again, hard to stop, the shooter always had the advantage there. Goal #3 was odd and probably weak - I'll chalk that one up as a softie that should've been stopped. Goal #4 was off a tip/deflection from a guy in front where the puck completely changed direction and VV had to desperately dive for it; literally no chance there. Obviously 14 saves on 18 shots for a .770 sv % is awful, but I don't think it tells the whole story. Raanta let in 8 goals on 14 shots a few nights ago and I can almost guarantee at least half of them probably weren't his fault. I know everyone says your goalie has to bail you out every now and then, which I fully agree with and I'd say VV isn't doing that, but I wouldn't say by any means that there's a huge difference between the two goalies right now, or that one is outplaying the other by any large stretch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RizzMB30 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said: I didn't wanna muck up a GameDay thread with general convo, but since others have already kind of gone there, I guess I just want to ask what some here, since I seem to be in the minority, see in Schmid, or rather, don't see in VV? Reason I ask is because based on last game, at least in my eyes, 3 of the 4 goals he allowed were really not his fault. Goal #1 was on the PP and the Isles had great luck movement. Hard for any goalie to stop Horvat's one-timer there. Goal #2 was a breakaway....yet again, hard to stop, the shooter always had the advantage there. Goal #3 was odd and probably weak - I'll chalk that one up as a softie that should've been stopped. Goal #4 was off a tip/deflection from a guy in front where the puck completely changed direction and VV had to desperately dive for it; literally no chance there. Obviously 14 saves on 18 shots for a .770 sv % is awful, but I don't think it tells the whole story. Raanta let in 8 goals on 14 shots a few nights ago and I can almost guarantee at least half of them probably weren't his fault. I know everyone says your goalie has to bail you out every now and then, which I fully agree with and I'd say VV isn't doing that, but I wouldn't say by any means that there's a huge difference between the two goalies right now, or that one is outplaying the other by any large stretch. My only issue with VV is that as the team is starting to improve their game and play better defense, he is not rising along with them and elevating his game. Something he would need to do in playoffs. Just need him to play better in a full 60 minutes. Give me a few games of .920 and above save percentage and I'll hop right back on the VV train. Advanced Numbers need to simply improve when it comes to VV like goals saved above expected. Schmid has shown a little promise in his recent starts while VV has continued to fall. Edited November 30, 2023 by RizzMB30 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smelly Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, NJDfan1711 said: I didn't wanna muck up a GameDay thread with general convo, but since others have already kind of gone there, I guess I just want to ask what some here, since I seem to be in the minority, see in Schmid, or rather, don't see in VV? Reason I ask is because based on last game, at least in my eyes, 3 of the 4 goals he allowed were really not his fault. Goal #1 was on the PP and the Isles had great luck movement. Hard for any goalie to stop Horvat's one-timer there. Goal #2 was a breakaway....yet again, hard to stop, the shooter always had the advantage there. Goal #3 was odd and probably weak - I'll chalk that one up as a softie that should've been stopped. Goal #4 was off a tip/deflection from a guy in front where the puck completely changed direction and VV had to desperately dive for it; literally no chance there. Obviously 14 saves on 18 shots for a .770 sv % is awful, but I don't think it tells the whole story. Raanta let in 8 goals on 14 shots a few nights ago and I can almost guarantee at least half of them probably weren't his fault. I know everyone says your goalie has to bail you out every now and then, which I fully agree with and I'd say VV isn't doing that, but I wouldn't say by any means that there's a huge difference between the two goalies right now, or that one is outplaying the other by any large stretch. I personally don't believe there is much difference between the two other than VV has been given way more opportunities to date and has been decidedly awful. Don't expecti miracles from AS. Would love to be proven wrong. Not holding my breath. If AS shows he can be a credible half of a tandem with a new guy, that's a win IMO. Edited November 30, 2023 by smelly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ButlerBulldog Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bonginator11 said: Mother of God… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, ButlerBulldog said: Mother of God… Dougie being out forced this. It’s awful, I hate it BUT let’s see what Laberge can do in his debut. Good for the dude 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 sanity prevails. now deliver, Schmid… 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 two smart things… whoa… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, jagknife said: two smart things… whoa… Flyers wear black helmets at home so we didn't have a choice lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said: Flyers wear black helmets at home so we didn't have a choice lol Shhhhhh lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 Anyone else’s feed have awful feedback? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMac16 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Omg nico laughing at the singer in Philly 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, jagknife said: Shhhhhh lol Speaking of it though I wonder who will be the first to wear their colored helmets at Prudential, Columbus, Buffalo and the Islanders all didn't, Buffalo could have but Columbus and the Islanders both are a bit too dark. Sharks could tomorrow otherwise looking at the schedule maybe Edmonton or Detroit coming up next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aznjsn Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, SeanMac16 said: Omg nico laughing at the singer in Philly 🤣 English may not be his first language, but even Nico knew that was not great 🤣 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButlerBulldog Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, SeanMac16 said: Omg nico laughing at the singer in Philly 🤣 Was it Fergie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughesCorporation Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Aznjsn said: English may not be his first language, but even Nico knew that was not great 🤣 Im glad you said this, I thought it was bad too but didnt want to Diss the anthem Holtzzzzzzzzzzzzz Flyers have V-Tek in net, oooops 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Holtz!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 HoltzZZZZZZZZzzzz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Great shot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButlerBulldog Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Holtz is getting better by the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanMac16 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, HughesCorporation said: Im glad you said this, I thought it was bad too but didnt want to Diss the anthem 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Satans Hockey said: Speaking of it though I wonder who will be the first to wear their colored helmets at Prudential, Columbus, Buffalo and the Islanders all didn't, Buffalo could have but Columbus and the Islanders both are a bit too dark. Sharks could tomorrow otherwise looking at the schedule maybe Edmonton or Detroit coming up next month. Hopefully all these teams realize how stupid wearing a colored helmet with a white jersey looks, and none of them do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils01 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Mr Holtz becoming that player we all wanted him to be. 7th goal already! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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