Devil Dan 56 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I'm glad we have guys like Manta(and myself to a degree) on this board. This message board would be boring if everyone agreed on everything. I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice dog Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 (edited) The whole Lemaire/Kovalchuk connection is the main point of contention with me. For ME Kovalchuk has failed because the team threw out Lemaire -- and the team is at fault because they throw out everyone - or make other pastures look a hell of a lot greener for coaches. I gather Manta, you think Kovalchuk's "special treatment" from Lemaire begat this entire downward spiral. I think the team was well on it already and Lou's plans had to go to hell. Kovalchuk was forced into the back seat because of the teams refusal to see the whole picture. It's a very myopic team on every level. Imagine if the team flipped about Stevens special treatment from Lemaire. Maybe Stevens was able to blend more because he already had a good understanding of the overall flow of a real game of hockey. You have to put yourself into Kovalchuk's shoes. He;s always been asked to step out of line. So he can't see the WHOLE picture. Never saw how to fit into a whole picture. that's what I saw coming when you all were bitching about Parise feeling like he was sucking hind teet. COME ON!!! Anyone who knows hockey should know what kind of commitment the organization had to put in to get Kovalchuk up to speed. It boggles MY mind how few people understand that. Holik knew and he takes your attitude Manta - THAT is what irks me. For ME -- and I'm so sorry I knwo it' snot true -- but it's the same kind of negative thinking that takes a guy to the Rangers rather than really see the choice that is true to hockey. The true hockey direction. I do not think I know true hockey at all BTW -- it's just the only way to articulate that it's not a Devils thing. It's what the real game of hockey demands. I hope that makes sense. So it's pointless to blame the guy who the organization had to throw under the bus to get the rest of the team to understand exactly where they HONESTLY are knowledge-wise. When left to use their brilliant hockey sense cultivated in the Devils system -- what did they think they were going to do? The point made is that they do not in fact understand the sytem. They've gone off on the computer, the video game, fantasy teams, NHL tonight- listened to moronic talking heads blab about some new NHL _ I dont know where all btu not within Lou's organization - they just had zero concept what Devils hockey was... and what was their answer - Like Madden??? Try to teach the COACH the system. MORON Then these pantiwaste coaches CAVE like Sutter -- try to compromise and let the team run things a little bit while trying to reign them in when possible... it's just an IMPOSSIBLE team to communicate with because they know it all --- and have ALL THE RIGHT WORDS... every catch phrase can be turned against the coach who sees it all and these dudes (coaches) are IN TEARS...TEARS and STILL the guys don t get it. Don't get how little they know. I agree... Kovalchuk mentioned in interviews that Lemaire was the greatest coach he head ever played for. Replacing Lemaire this season with a rookie coach was a recipe for disaster. Of coarse we all know Lou changes coaches more often than he changes his underwear.. however now it looks like he's going to wear a dirty diaper all season long Edited December 8, 2010 by ice dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I agree... Kovalchuk mentioned in interviews that Lemaire was the greatest coach he head ever played for. Replacing Lemaire this season with a rookie coach was a recipe for disaster. Of coarse we all know Lou changes coaches more often than he changes his underwear.. however now it looks like he's going to wear a dirty diaper all season long That's pretty coarse of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Nothing says "rubbing our noses in it" like a fake apology "Sorry I was so right" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneykoIsGod Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I'm glad we have guys like Manta(and myself to a degree) on this board. This message board would be boring if everyone agreed on everything. I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice dog Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 That's pretty coarse of course. LoL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 As you all know by now, I have been against the Kovalchuk acquisition from its initial rumor. I had feared that such a move was just a very bad hockey move for the franchise. Whether I am right or wrong, I have no right to (as Rowdy, Carp, Jerry, Dano, Pepper, and several other people I respect have mentioned) "beat people over the head with it" Most of my commentary is based purely out of the frustration of watching something I hold dearly become unrecognizable and feeling that the damage was self-inflicted. I meant no disrespect to this family of posters in venting my frustrations. I apologize for beating this to death and making it all doom and gloom. I shall try and refrain from this tact in the future. Manta Not everybody wanted the guy and as a result it's hard not to say I told you so based on how poorly he's played. He wasn't a good fit last year and in the end there were other glaring weaknesses that didn't get filled as a result of his signing mixed in with a bunch of other terrible contracts that were already in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Fan Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I think the team owes the fans an apology, not you Manta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 This thread reflects what a miserable and absurd season it's been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Dude, no need to apologize. You've taken more than you've dished out, and I still like reading your posts, doom and gloom or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 29th Pick Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 This thread reflects what a miserable and absurd season it's been. This season is beyond belief............and those that are the most pissed and yell the loudest are the most passionate fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninWithTheDevil Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 but bitching will not magically make us good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefiestygoat Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Props to you apologizing manta. I honestly never had a problem with you and I've enjoyed your posts ever since I became a member here, whether I agreed or disagreed with them. I know your heart is in the right place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie2Hottie Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 awwwwww group hug you guys!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CADevilsFan Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) G@yest thread ever lol You're a fvcking ignorant d!ck. What has happened to this place? Edit: On point, you stick to your guns Manta. Never apologize for your beliefs. Edited December 9, 2010 by CADevilsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 o stop.. what is this?? dont apologize for stating what you believe.. if anyone had a problem with it they can f off. hold the drama lol its not like anyone held your posts against you.. you're a fan like the rest of us- we obviously want whats best for the team so we're gonna say what we think will help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moustic Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I ask for an apology for everyone that say that Manta doesn't need to apologise... not that he needs btw.. But... that way i could apologise for asking this ... i'm sorry... Not yet.. but i'm sure i will ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) You are not stopping people from expressing their opinion by expressing yours. He's not apologizing for having an opinion. Read his post again, he was 100% right in everything he wrote there. I think (as DIG said) at times most of us do go overboard either pro or anti-certain players, but when you go overboard anti-someone most of the board's pro, you're not going to win a lot of friends. Especially when you turn every single thread into a referendum, inventing names like a Kovy-nut and all that other stuff. I applaud him for recognizing he's gone overboard at times, not many other people here will do that. And the way it's going most of us are going to have to admit we were wrong about Kovy down the line Edited December 9, 2010 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 29th Pick Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) awwwwww group hug you guys!!!!!!!!!! Must be the Holidays..........isnt Christmas time wonderful !!!! Edited December 9, 2010 by hargsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucifersDog Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Please don't ask for my title "Broken Record" Say what you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 Please don't ask for my title "Broken Record" Say what you want CUTE! I never noticed Broken record. You haven't been that bad of late ... but surviving not one, but TWO suspensions merely for serial rants I guess would qualify one for the broken record title though huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackchi Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I think the team owes the fans an apology, not you Manta. Now that's what I'm talkin about!! We are all frustrated fans. Happy Holidays!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 He's not apologizing for having an opinion. Read his post again, he was 100% right in everything he wrote there. I think (as DIG said) at times most of us do go overboard either pro or anti-certain players, but when you go overboard anti-someone most of the board's pro, you're not going to win a lot of friends. Especially when you turn every single thread into a referendum, inventing names like a Kovy-nut and all that other stuff. I applaud him for recognizing he's gone overboard at times, not many other people here will do that. And the way it's going most of us are going to have to admit we were wrong about Kovy down the line This. Well said. And massive repect to manta for recognizing he might have gone overboard here or there. Lord knows we all have now and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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