Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) sorry guys but im still failing to see and understand why a team being 7-8-9th or wtv can't talk contract and re-sign an upcoming UFA before the trade deadline? Oh right, it's because Lou has that rule that he's simply not doing it... yeah try to defend that now, Even Elias said he didnt like it. You alllll went around it focusing on the position we were which was not really the point lol You guys got to be in denial about Lou's stubbornness... all his stupid "rules", refusing to talk during the season, signing old vets, not giving up the 29th pick, bringing back old devils, terrible roster and coach management etc etc.... This alllllllllllll goes hand in hand following the same mentality and we all know it's a thing. So i really don't see why you guys keep making excuses for him and looking away about stuff that obviously fits the bill in term of decisions he's making out of stubbornness. Idiot. Way to just completely gloss over the fact that you posted something 100% inaccurate, which you rightly got called out on. You do exactly what a 12-year-old does when he's losing the argument or tries to make a point on a completely asinine premise and gets busted on it...you shift ground to something else and hope no one notices. Christ, we get it, you don't like Lou...stop being such a complete dick about it. It's so comical how you can't see that you are EXACTLY (and I mean EXACTLY) like the Canadiens fans that you keep claiming to despise so much. Edited February 25, 2015 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Well yeah im really stubborn too obviously lol but it's harmless haha at worst im just annoying a few kool aid drinkers here, i can be put on ignore and BAM it's gone. Lou is running this organization to the ground with his stubbornness and that... you guys can't escape it, you have to watch this sh!t show. It's all on Lou and Conte, no one else. So if you enjoy it well good for you. I was gonna suggest a different word that starts with the letter S, but call it whatever you want... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 Sekera is pretty easily better than Zidlicky and he netted a 1st and a decent prospect. Getting a 2nd and/or a good fwd prospect for Zids is a pretty good trade. Tampa seems like a good fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Kane out for 12 weeks. Blackhawks have a nice contingent in NJ tonight and rumour has it, they are very pleased how much NJ has rested Jags for their post season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted February 25, 2015 Author Share Posted February 25, 2015 How does the bonus work if Jagr is dealt. Does NJ pick it all up on next year's cap, or is it prorated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 NJ picks it all up. However, they've been operating well below the cap all year and will not have any overage on their cap next season if they trade Jagr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Kane out for 12 weeks. Blackhawks have a nice contingent in NJ tonight and rumour has it, they are very pleased how much NJ has rested Jags for their post season. Unfortunate for the Devils. He wouldn't be back until the third round of the playoffs at the earliest, and can't see them giving of much of any significance if they can't make a Cup run, which is very difficult without Kane for that long. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Kane out for 12 weeks. Blackhawks have a nice contingent in NJ tonight and rumour has it, they are very pleased how much NJ has rested Jags for their post season. For what it's worth a couple of the guys on the Flames intermission show mentioned that they thought it was to prevent injury and rest him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 sorry guys but im still failing to see and understand why a team being 7-8-9th or wtv can't talk contract and re-sign an upcoming UFA before the trade deadline? Oh right, it's because Lou has that rule that he's simply not doing it... yeah try to defend that now, Even Elias said he didnt like it. You alllll went around it focusing on the position we were which was not really the point lol You guys got to be in denial about Lou's stubbornness... all his stupid "rules", refusing to talk during the season, signing old vets, not giving up the 29th pick, bringing back old devils, terrible roster and coach management etc etc.... This alllllllllllll goes hand in hand following the same mentality and we all know it's a thing. So i really don't see why you guys keep making excuses for him and looking away about stuff that obviously fits the bill in term of decisions he's making out of stubbornness. You have no idea where Lou had discussed a new contract with Clarkson before the deadline. You can't just assume that he didn't and then decided against trading him solely due to wanting to discuss a new contract after the season. It's entirely possible that they discussed a new contract, but Clarkson said that he wanted to see what offers he'd get as a ufa. After which, despite the risk of losing Clarkson, Lou still chose to keep him because he thought he would increase the team's chances of making the playoffs as well as winning once they qualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 So im curious and it's a serious question Why is it a fireable offense suddenly to some of you to not trade a 43 year old and missing the playoffs when we are 6-8 pts away from a playoffs spot But it was completely fine and understandable not trading a 27 years old Clarkson in his prime who just scored 30 and who was on pace for another 30 through a full season, basically at the peak of his top value in his career when we were pretty much 6-8 points away at that time too... and a guy who wanted way too much money... and then miss the playoffs.... sorry guys but im still failing to see and understand why a team being 7-8-9th or wtv can't talk contract and re-sign an upcoming UFA before the trade deadline? Oh right, it's because Lou has that rule that he's simply not doing it... yeah try to defend that now, Even Elias said he didnt like it. You alllll went around it focusing on the position we were which was not really the point lol You guys got to be in denial about Lou's stubbornness... all his stupid "rules", refusing to talk during the season, signing old vets, not giving up the 29th pick, bringing back old devils, terrible roster and coach management etc etc.... This alllllllllllll goes hand in hand following the same mentality and we all know it's a thing. So i really don't see why you guys keep making excuses for him and looking away about stuff that obviously fits the bill in term of decisions he's making out of stubbornness. The bold. That's why no one listens to you. You make a "point" that is totally incorrect, and then, since it was incorrect, you suddenly consider it to be inconsequential. You flail around aimlessly, but even after 10 posters each poke holes in your argument, you go to the tried and true "Lou's stubbornness ruined everything" rant. I mean, you even cited NHL 15 as a reason once!!! Maybe it isn't everyone else who is crazy. Maybe you're just blinded by your Lou dislike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsu1852 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 From the intermission show, I heard Jagr for Beau Bennett might happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Well, this thread escalated quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Unfortunate for the Devils. He wouldn't be back until the third round of the playoffs at the earliest, and can't see them giving of much of any significance if they can't make a Cup run, which is very difficult without Kane for that long. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk So how is this unfortunate for the Devils exactly? They may pony up a little more given their situation if they legit think Jagr can help them. I don't think Chicago is gonna be like 'Oh we lost Kane, time to give up now'. He's great, but he's still only one player. Edited February 26, 2015 by MadDog2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 So how is this unfortunate for the Devils exactly? They may pony up a little more given their situation if they legit think Jagr can help them. I don't think Chicago is gonna be like 'Oh we lost Kane, time to give up now'. He's great, but he's one player. They won't give up, but at the same time it makes less sense to part with something of value when it's less likely that they'll win the Cup. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 They won't give up, but at the same time it makes less sense to part with something of value when it's less likely that they'll win the Cup. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Perhaps, but seeing as how they're a legit Cup contender, they may look at it the other way. Let's hope... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 They won't give up, but at the same time it makes less sense to part with something of value when it's less likely that they'll win the Cup. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk GM's do not think like fans. And the Blackhawks still have enough talent where they can maybe get through a couple of rounds without Kane, especially if they add a piece or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 GM's do not think like fans. And the Blackhawks still have enough talent where they can maybe get through a couple of rounds without Kane, especially if they add a piece or two. Not saying they won't, I would just expect them to do something where they don't give up anything more than a second round pick. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Well there probably isn't anyone worth giving up a first for on the market anyway, at least not after the Sekera deal. Maybe Vermette but the Hawks would have to throw back one of their big contracts to make that work too. Edited February 26, 2015 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Idiot. Way to just completely gloss over the fact that you posted something 100% inaccurate, which you rightly got called out on. You do exactly what a 12-year-old does when he's losing the argument or tries to make a point on a completely asinine premise and gets busted on it...you shift ground to something else and hope no one notices. Christ, we get it, you don't like Lou...stop being such a complete dick about it. It's so comical how you can't see that you are EXACTLY (and I mean EXACTLY) like the Canadiens fans that you keep claiming to despise so much. haha yeah and way to just completely gloss over the fact that my point about Lou refusing to talk to players during the season is making you tip toe around the subject every single time. The bold. That's why no one listens to you. You make a "point" that is totally incorrect, and then, since it was incorrect, you suddenly consider it to be inconsequential. You flail around aimlessly, but even after 10 posters each poke holes in your argument, you go to the tried and true "Lou's stubbornness ruined everything" rant. I mean, you even cited NHL 15 as a reason once!!! Maybe it isn't everyone else who is crazy. Maybe you're just blinded by your Lou dislike. I got one detail off and IMO it's not throwing off my whole argument at all, I don't remember EXACTLY where we were and i was off in term of our position but it's not changing anything to my whole point. We we're a bubble team without a chance at the cup with an upcoming UFA in his prime. That's basically it. I admit i was off but it's always the same thing, i can bring up 10 points in an argument. I could have 9 very good points, be off on one and you guys will bash and focus my ONE point that was off discarding the rest. Every. Single. Time. So you answer me please, other than Lou's self imposed rules to not talk during the season. What was preventing him from re-signing Clarkson before the deadline if he wanted to keep him. You see every other teams in the NHL doing this every. single. year. And why would it be a bad move to do.... so please, tell me why you're supporting this rule. How am i blinded by my Lou dislike to be opposed to his way? He does things differently than ALL other GMs, ALL of them and it's biting him in the ass right now. So why am i wrong here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 From the intermission show, I heard Jagr for Beau Bennett might happen Kid sounds like a bust - but at this point I'd take anything with remotely tangible value for a guy who has completely and totally checked out like Jagr has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Kid sounds like a bust - but at this point I'd take anything with remotely tangible value for a guy who has completely and totally checked out like Jagr has. Bennett could be our next Bobby Butler! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Jagr for Bennett is impossible - the Penguins are right up against the cap. They'd have to get rid of some salary and I don't see how they can do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Jagr for Bennett is impossible - the Penguins are right up against the cap. They'd have to get rid of some salary and I don't see how they can do that. Devils retain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 What if we covered half of Jagr's cap hit? We have the ability retain salary on 3 contracts. It's just money on expiring contracts, if we can get a better offer or an extra pick thrown in to help that situation - why not? haha lou will probably take Scuderi back just so he can have his Salvador type next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 No. Even with salary retention it's not going to cut it, the Penguins, as far as I know, are really up against it. They had Toronto retain on Daniel Winnik and Winnik was only making 1.3M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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